Dan

I think if our fans had shown this shit was unacceptable years ago then the club would never have been allowed to plummet this far in the first place. You can expand it to any club. If this level of decline was imposed on a club like Blackpool, like Plymouth, there is no way they sit and take it like this. Norwich City boxing their board members in. Something really extraordinary has happened to our fanbase. It's sickening.

I do but I do feel in a minority.

I think it's pretty obvious we actively look to recruit weedy, small and weak footballers. That's the club buying in the owners image. It's happened for too long to be a coincidence.

This is by a considerable distance worse. I thought the loss to them in January was the worst I'd seen. Then the Burton one topped that. This is just beyond any description in how bad it is. It's basically impossible we've bad a worse result.

It'd be normal at any other club who had been destroyed to this extent. This is that drastic. We're the softest, most sportswashed fanbase in the country and that is no exaggeration. A national embarrassment. Force them out before it's too late. It's the only way.

It's nowhere near negative enough. The place should be feral. But I'm essentially shouting at a cloud. I say this every time. Never wrong about it. But it never changes. Make things hard for them. Make it unsafe for them.

And don't keep this thread quiet if we fluke another win. Pin it.

Time for people to dox this oxygen thief.

Couldn't think of a worse value bet you could take. Genuinely better off just doing the slots.

Relegation danger if he stays. Absolute clown manager. Wonder if the gobby lot who conveniently went missing after Burton will be online tonight. I know where my money's going.

3 times in a year.

Get him gone tonight. Total fraud.

Wonder if the divs who went hiding after Burton will show their faces this time around.

These are dross btw

That ain't a team going up.

When will it end

It is crazy how many we've bad. Wonder how it compares to others.

To be honest I never used to see his finishing as a problem. I thought he was otherwise a bad player that could occasionally score a bit out of the blue. What I'd give him over Ayew is at least he gets chances to miss. Ayew just never got chances at all.

I'm going to give them some credit and say well done on actually managing to get a good number of deals done. I would've gone for even more than this personally, and I would've been aiming to get them out even earlier so that we weren't playing mish mash sides in the opening games which set a pretty bad tone for the season. Something I don't think the manager could really afford, and still don't despite yesterday. I wanted an absolutely drastic overhaul because I think you needed to get as many players associated with this doom spiral out as possible. Just get them gone. Their presence is a problem and their wages add insult to injury. The rumours about Russell Martin are interesting. He claims he insisted the club kept Alves around rather than loaning them out. Given he's said that Riis was our top transfer target and we've not signed him until deadline day, I will take what he says with a bit of a pinch of salt. But if this, and the rumour that he was going to walk if we sold Page are true, then fair play, as concerned as I am about his football, he's got something about him and appears willing to make changes that plenty other managers we've had just accepted, and got on with, much to our long term detriment. Maybe he realises he's toast if this job doesn't work for him. But... It's not 'all' positive. A lot of it is relative. I still think we have made some pretty bad signings. I am concerned by how off it the more experienced heads continue to look. We still seem to be falling down the trap of giving out far too generous contracts to ageing players. For all we are making more efforts to get players out of the door, I think there is a possibility that we have added to the mess somewhat with some of them. Burns, Cullen, Chaplin, McCarthy so far all look poor signings to me. It's early days, but the red flags are there. And also I think we really need to learn to cut our losses a lot more. Being in this league gives us a rare opportunity to not worry about book value. The value of getting the high earners, contributing sod all is great to us, as I said above. We should've cut our losses on more players and it is disappointing that the likes of Skipp, Mavididi etc... while they are out, are quite likely back here in 12 months at square one. We've seen this play out with Faes, Kristiansen, Soumare in the past. So overall, it is better, you have got to give them credit that this does look a different team. But it isn't without its red flags either for me.

I think the most positive thing I can say about the whole situation is I'm not going to whinge if we don't throw a load of new signings in, where it was valid a couple of weeks ago.

I'd play him against Fulham U21. Okoli as well if he doesn't go.

It is more than I expected, to be fair.

Fair play to Martin if that's true. Absolutely ridiculous that it needed him to do that though.

Won't start 15 times for them is my prediction and back in a year.

I'm not sold but he just can't be as bad as Skipp.