Dan

15 losses in 16 and he quite comfortably gets the nod for me. I think there was a world where Van Nistelrooy could've taken us down and I'd have possibly bought into having him try and get us back up next season. But I can't after this. I would genuinely back myself to serve up better than what he has here in all honesty. You can't retain a relationship that's suffered this much. Mind you as much as I want Rudkin gone, he's entered the latter day Rodgers zone where I don't even think his departure will really move me. So much so that I am convinced that problem lies above him. Aiyawatt bringing in another inept yes man would be a disaster and in some ways worse than keeping Rudkin. At least his persistence with him proves how useless he is while a switch up would buy him some undeserved backing.

I thought we had our most hateful team ever in 2022/23. Now we just have the same version of that team with a fraction of the ability. The hateful, soft, not trying elements are the constants. The level of ability will only continue to deteriorate. I don't think I've ever felt worse about the club but the team still can remarkably get worse yet.

It being a **** you to the club to celebrate his goal would only work if they actually piped up against Aiyawatt or Rudkin at any point. In reality it was just one of those classy touch incidents which we could do with less of. For what it's worth, as somebody viciously anti not celebrating, I do think that was a rare moment of it being slightly more acceptable. They'd already won the game anyway, he was forced out due to the incompetent idiots at the club and scoring past our lot is barely an achievement anyway. Like Lewis Hamilton celebrating getting into his car. It wasn't one of those goals that would've brought a mad celebration anyway. That one felt fairly genuine for me.

This season for me has revealed the truth. I feared it would prove to be the case with quite how avoidable and shambolic the first relegation actually was. This was a chance to prove it was a blip, albeit a pretty damaging one. To serve this up just proves this is what we truly are now. This was our second bite at the cherry. Despite the warning of the first relegation. Despite the PSR failing warning. They've served up one of the worst Premier League seasons by a team ever. How anybody still backs those at the top is just completely beyond me. You really can fool some of the people all of the time.

Possibly. He may feel obliged to do it due to what did happen to his Dad here. But I'm not seeing somebody showing any care or love for it. It is quite possible he's just lost interest. Or I just suspect he's somebody who's never had to achieve anything to get into the position he's in and therefore can't be bothered with the troughs, and only wants the peaks.

Said it elsewhere but don't agree with the bit in bold - that subconsciously gives way too much credit and frankly, at this point, it's far too kind imo.

This just has to be satire.

I think it can only be 4. I could understand this debate two years ago. Not anymore. To allow it to play out again, somehow even more embarrassingly can only tell me it's 4. He's not arsed. Nobody who cares could ever let it get to this point. It's way beyond incompetence. I'd back virtually anybody on here to do a better job than this. Simply caring would be an upgrade.

Clubs shouldn't be allowed to get away with doing this.

Sadly he actually watched that preseason friendly. I was a bit concerned for Lens when they only won 3-0 - they should've scored at least 7. Unless I've completely missed him leaving Lens. I actually think he'd consider us in all seriousness. I quite like him, but I'm not sure he's the answer here.

I forget who it is but someone on here frequently calls for Sean Dyche because he's an old school manager who will attempt to impact the club at more levels than just on the pitch and I do completely get the case for this to be honest. Forget his brand of football for a minute here, I think being bothered about style of play is a luxury we no longer really have because we have such a terrible structure within the club anyway that no matter who it is it's going to eventually swallow them up. It would've done for Maresca as well. You could argue it already had done before he went. Dyche is of a similar mould to Pearson in that I think he would probably do Rudkin's job for him. I'm not saying he's who I want but I don't think this is some simple fix anymore. But where I think even someone like Dyche would fall is that the minute he tries to get the players into line they'd cry arse to the manchild and he'd be undermined. Aiyawatt's ridiculous structure makes this a poisoned chalice for nearly anybody. We've given the players all the power based on a team that are long gone (bar one that we're clinging onto because Rudkin can't do his own job) and the players are now shite, and mostly dickheads as well.

Weirdly I was never quite as bothered by this video as most of a similar persuasion (like you based on that) because I've no issue with celebrating history and success but you make a good point. 9 years ago now. It's becoming a bit Forest and it's even worse when things have clearly gone to absolute pot. The delusions within this club are going to stop us bouncing up next season. I'm pretty sure of that. Unless we completely luck out on an influential manager with something about him.

What's quite hard to tolerate for me is how big a flakiness this has exposed in this club and fanbase in general. It's the same at Southampton as well but that isn't really any consolation. To me it's the length of time that the piss taking culture has actually gone on for. There is simply no possible outcome at Everton for example where this could be allowed to play out. They've had some dire teams, turned in some hilarious and embarrassing results, but as low as things get at that place, there is something, somewhere, that puts an end to it. The players know that they can't get away with taking the piss there. Whether it's the fanbase in general, fan groups, people within the club, god, even local bandits. There is at least at some point fairly soon into any shambolic period for them going to be a force that puts an end to it. What has been exposed at Leicester is that we don't have this. Where is it coming from here? You have a small minority of fans trying to do something about it. Clearly nobody at the club truly cares much about it - regardless of if the reason is because they don't want to upset Aiyawatt, nobody is putting their head above the parapet and doing something about it. The players clearly don't care. The fans for the most part are happy to tolerate this. The entire thing boils down to the way the pride in the club itself has been eroded in the past decade or so for me. You see signs of it on here even with the whole "we need to get at Top, Vichai's dream is dead". This club is bigger than Vichai. Yet a large proportion of our fanbase subconsciously act otherwise. I never liked the KP worship even when things were good and I could never truly articulate what it was. It's become easier now things have objectively gone to pot, but something in my gut knew it was wrong. What that worshipping did was lay the foundations for exactly what is now happening, to happen. And I really don't know how you fix it.

Watching us get relegated to League One with a team I disliked a lot less than this one.

Can anyone suggest if there's any potential motive for this? I'm not disagreeing either btw. This is the most astounding incompetence I've ever witnessed. To a point I'm 99.9% sure I could run this club better than our actual owners. If I was sabotaging Forest I genuinely think I would struggle to pull it off this effectively.

It's gotten worse on the pitch since then. Go as hard as possible. History won't be on the side of the facebook divs.

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It would be extremely easy to prevent happening. The problem is because we've already had one promotion out of that league, they will just assume it to be a foregone conclusion again and continue their coasting. That would be in-keeping with the behaviour we've seen in the last few years. The difference this time is that we won't have the biggest budget in the leagues history and have a fairly comfortably worse team. We may luck it on an appointment again but I wouldn't even put it past that idiot owner to stick with this bloke. I wouldn't call back to back relegations likely, but I do think if it could happen anywhere, we are right up there. The club absolutely stinks. From top to bottom it's disgusting. Without substantial change at this club, the decline will only continue.

You just cannot believe the decline. I think if Newcastle had some sort of disaster which wiped out their entire squad, a Chapecoense like incident I don't think they would fall as hard as we have done in the last three years. I've seen some bad fall offs but this is just beyond anything you could believe possible.

This is in my opinion the worst team to play at this level since Derby, and in some ways it's even worse because back in Derby's day in this league teams had a lot less mercy. While we're only losing games 2/3-0 that is largely due to energy conservation. Newcastle could've easily had 8/9 tonight but just thought better of it. The Southampton thing is a total freak. We're on 17 points, probably lucky to have even half as many as that, have been second best in I'd say probably all 31 games we've played this season (including Southampton which the officials won us the game). I used to have a bit of a chuckle when people said we could go back to back for relegation but with the arrogance of this board and the delusion that surrounds the club you really do wonder.

They've exposed us for what we really are.

Thaike Ashley out!

How we react at board level in the summer will determine if I put money on straight relegations or not. The club is in total freefall.

Embarrassing result for Newcastle.