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He meant that you're tarring all Muslims, not that he is denying it was a Muslim 'gang' doing the abusing. You can't tar ALL Muslims because of two absolute wrong-uns and their dirty mates.

With all due respect the other thread went on for a long time without any bad vibes. Also, it's quite clear you don't have to be a Labour voter to be on the forum. There's plenty of non-labour votes that are able to speak freely and sensibly without abusing other members. I don't think it's as straightforward as that.

I don't see the issue in posting them, but then I'm not the one to decide!! With all due respect, they're not obligated to offer a right of reply. It's perhaps not in their best interests to, either, considering he's not in a position of political power. Yes, division has been around for centuries. But while you have religious community leaders (not just Muslim ones) offering their hand for peace and allowing people in to their mosques or gurdwaras or mandirs or any other community space on one side, you have people/rioters (racists?) smashing the same places up purely because they're not white British. So they've extending the divide. I saw a picture on BBC news last night where a imam (?) was handshaking a white male - if anyone has it I'd love to know more of that and the context of that particular moment.

He'll do the same on 19th. Two own goals in stoppage time!

Fair enough, I didn't think you were but I fitted the category I haven't seen Farage or Robinson condemn it. Happy to be shown where. Can you agree they perhaps have stoked the violence in the first place with their rhetoric? I'm all for anyone speaking up to be heard, but there's a way to do it and their method of dividing communities isn't it. Look at what it's led to?

@Basildon Fox - the riots in each city have been condemned. I, for one, have condemned any violence from both sides. No one has skirted round it. It's not the solution and it's not okay to retaliate. Seen plenty of posts on here or social media condemning it too. If you search hard enough, you'll find it. It's not all rage and hatred. But I don't see you mentioning anything about Muslim communities asking for peace and harmony (of which there are many - you've gone straight into grooming gangs (there are also white ones too) and the riots they've hit back in. It's not the solution to fight violence with violence. It doesn't get anywhere and won't solve the issues. Can you surely understand though that the Muslim community MIGHT feel a bit aggrieved that they were blamed for something happening (the stabbing of the 3 girls) that wasn't even 'one of their own' doing it?! That came from disinformation!! They're bound to feel aggrieved but did you see what the Southport mosque leader did afterwards? He didn't retaliate, did he? He didn't go burning down churches or throwing petrol bombs around. How would you feel if your family got blamed for something that you didn't do? It'd be pretty fvcking shit wouldn't it? Fighting back can be done peacefully anyway, not always with weapons. Maybe don't be calling people you disagree with 'shouty lefties' as well. You desire a fair debate yet categorise one side just as much as you feel like you're being categorised. Can't have your cake and eat it.

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Di Marzio says he's going Brentford

I doubt it. Yeah I've heard about the QP stuff. They don't dare go near Luton Not sure about Yarls's Wood. It's a bit out in the sticks as opposed to in a town centre, so not worth their hassle

Two #LCFC gems named for England U16, Hugo de Lisle and Jeremy Monga, enormous talents who are already regulars with the Three Lions, will travel to Italy at the end of this month. Also present is former academy player Tyrese Noubissie, Seagrave continues to gain prestige

Correct.

Positive news to hear I hope they can get the support they need, physically but also long-term mentally.

Assaulted a police officer but denied being part of violent disorder

And so it begins. An Asian colleague of mine was shouted at with racial slurs by white males in a vehicle as she was just innocently going about her job

But if he's shit, we have to buy him regardless...

Obligation is worrying considering how much Chelsea would make us pay...

Yes.

This is my point really - it shouldn't actually need anyone to come out and make a statement. But there's always one side asking for Muslim community leaders to come out and say something. As if all of those speak for the radicalised Muslims (they don't and shouldn't).

Seriously worrying. I'm hoping it doesn't filter down south at any time in the next week or so. Perhaps it'll die down and fizzle out after police continue with their arrests and deter people, but I'm also worried it's got to a point where it'll actually carry on and there'll be small pockets of trouble within cities, as opposed to large scale riots. Now this might be a bit cynical but whenever there has been trouble caused by Muslims (either individual attackers or groups), there's more often than not calls for 'mosque leaders' or 'community leaders' to come and ask for peace and speak on behalf of Muslims to put a stop to it all. Where is that now for the other side? Where are the 'white' religious leaders calling for this peace now? Some may come back and say 'well it's not all the white folk that are bad'. Which pretty much makes the point for the other side too in what a ridiculous thing it is to suggest one mosque or its imam to come out and speak for everyone to represent. That's not the issue! If anything, I've seen more Muslim community leaders come out and speak for peace and talks, whereas SYL and Farage, Tice and Anderson just stoke up the hate. As someone said before, I hope that the Muslim community don't fall into the trap further, if at all. They're not the bad guys (and never were in the sad Southport incident either). This division has been stoked up to attack them and make them look bad to empower the far-right.

Egypt have lost their heads. Ref should be handing out reds...

Haha the ref thinks the player was pushed As if.

VAR intervening, potentially for France, for a penalty in the last minute. Would be the right call though if a penalty is given!

Forgive me if I've got the wrong person but you're a postie, right? Were you partnered with him for his safety? Or is it just something that's done every now and then?

Eh? I think it's full and valid to feel a bit unsafe right now with everything going on. Say the wrong thing to one of these individuals and you'll never know what they might do.

Him on loan AND someone like Asprilla will give me a lot more hope going into the season. Can't just sign one CAM. Might sound greedy but considering we're looking at young players, it'll be tough for them to play every league game all season.