Finnegan Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Some overreactions getting on the verge of hysteria here now really. I'm disappointed in the sacking but I don't understand anyone that can't see why it's happened. Just to refresh, on top of having us rock bottom for half the season, Pearson called one journo an ostrich, another a less polite term, told a fan to **** off and die, had a public row with Lineker / MOTD and pinned a player down in front of a full stadium and "playfully" choked him. Now his son has just been involved in an offensive sex tape on a good will trip, post-season. What manager would get away with all of that? It's borderline Mike Bassett stuff. Our form over the last couple of months of the season was brilliant but acting like he's the only gaffer in the world who could have achieved that is excessive. Nowhere have the owners claimed it's a footballing decision and they think our final league standing wasn't good enough. They just don't trust him to avoid scandal and that's fair enough.
Finnegan Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Wha'ts this, the thread for anti-Pearsonites? I'm not anti Pearson and I'm really gutted by the sacking. But I can understand why the owners feel backed in to a corner.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Most owners would have sacked Nigel at some point during our horrific run last season. Regardless of whether they nearly did, they didn't. They made the right decision then which kept us in the league. We don't know of all the things said between the owners and Nigel behind closed doors, so i'm happy to go with their judgement on this, regardless of how we might think about it. They want the best for the club, like we all do. And that's why last season I finally had come around to them, it appeared they had finally learned from their mistakes and were making sensible decisions. They need to learn than contiually sacking good managers isn't a successful way to run a football club. Some overreactions getting on the verge of hysteria here now really. It really isn't, when you look at what has happened to our football club through history after we have lost decent managers it should be deeply concering to everyone what has happened.
hackneyfox Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Some overreactions getting on the verge of hysteria here now really. I'm disappointed in the sacking but I don't understand anyone that can't see why it's happened. Just to refresh, on top of having us rock bottom for half the season, Pearson called one journo an ostrich, another a less polite term, told a fan to **** off and die, had a public row with Lineker / MOTD and pinned a player down in front of a full stadium and "playfully" choked him. Now his son has just been involved in an offensive sex tape on a good will trip, post-season. What manager would get away with all of that? It's borderline Mike Bassett stuff. Our form over the last couple of months of the season was brilliant but acting like he's the only gaffer in the world who could have achieved that is excessive. Nowhere have the owners claimed it's a footballing decision and they think our final league standing wasn't good enough. They just don't trust him to avoid scandal and that's fair enough. Agree with this.
hackneyfox Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 And that's why last season I finally had come around to them, it appeared they had finally learned from their mistakes and were making sensible decisions. They need to learn than contiually sacking good managers isn't a successful way to run a football club. It really isn't, when you look at what has happened to our football club through history after we have lost decent managers it should be deeply concering to everyone what has happened. We aren't doomed to keep repeating past mistakes, every chance we could get a better manager. Will NFP ever manage at this level again? If I was owner of a club I'd think twice about appointing him due to lack of footballing consistency and regular fallouts with fans, press, players and now owners.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 We aren't doomed to keep repeating past mistakes, every chance we could get a better manager. Will NFP ever manage at this level again? If I was owner of a club I'd think twice about appointing him due to lack of footballing consistency and regular fallouts with fans, press, players and now owners. No we aren't, but form says in all likelihood we will, even more so given the disastrous appointments these guys have made when it's not been Pearson they hired. Will Pearson ever manage at this level again? Of course he will, lots of teams out there are dying to win Championships with 100+ points and finish 14th in their first season in the Premier League.
Finnegan Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 And that's why last season I finally had come around to them, it appeared they had finally learned from their mistakes and were making sensible decisions. They need to learn than contiually sacking good managers isn't a successful way to run a football club. It really isn't, when you look at what has happened to our football club through history after we have lost decent managers it should be deeply concering to everyone what has happened. Historically, we've been a shit provincial club taken to rare heights by talented managers. Now we've got considerable backing from safe, patient investors who've been very sensible with their money over the last eighteen months. Your assertion that Pearson would be harder to replace than our owners is just reactionary and silly. We're where we are because of their investment. Pearson may have spent less than Sven but do you think Mandaric would have plumped up the resources to get us out of the Championship let alone breaking our transfer record twice, sign Cambiasso, et all?
The Doctor Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 We aren't doomed to keep repeating past mistakes, every chance we could get a better manager. Will NFP ever manage at this level again? If I was owner of a club I'd think twice about appointing him due to lack of footballing consistency and regular fallouts with fans, press, players and now owners. Every chance we could, but what reason have we got to believe we will? By way of bringing a club up from the championship, definitely - if I were the owner of any championship club, knowing he was available would make me quite tempted to pull the trigger quickly if it wasn't working next season. As for his fallouts with fans - one fan who frankly deserved it and players - who has he fallen out with (that wasn't completely deadwood)? The players were playing for him and it's a sign of a remarkable manager that a lot of his ex-players talk of him so highly. Beyond that, there's no arguing with his record with us, or with what he did for Southampton
hackneyfox Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 His record looks good when viewed as percentages but the lack of consistency throughout almost his entire tenure has always worried me.
The Doctor Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 His record looks good when viewed as percentages but the lack of consistency throughout almost his entire tenure has always worried me. Strange, consistently improving a side over the course of several seasons looks good to me.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 We aren't soley where we are because of the owners. Considering Pearson took us to within a shootout of Wembley on a shoe string budget with a side of journeymen and young lads I would have been fairly confident he could have got us into the Premier League without the financial backing of the owners given time. The only success the club has had under Vichai and Top was down to Pearson, simple as that. Just giving a manager money isn't a recipe for success (see Sousa, Sven.) I think many of you underestimate the influence Pearson had (depressing writing in the past tense) on this football club in terms of the spirit in the squad. You think Vardy chases down lost causes because he earns 30k a week? You think Morgan throws his body at the ball because he has a nice Premier League contract? They perform above themselves because they don't want to let our manager down, a spirit that can be scarcely found at any other Premier League club. Just look at Newcastle, West Ham etc.
inckley fox Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Historically, we've been a shit provincial club taken to rare heights by talented managers. Now we've got considerable backing from safe, patient investors who've been very sensible with their money over the last eighteen months. Your assertion that Pearson would be harder to replace than our owners is just reactionary and silly. We're where we are because of their investment. Pearson may have spent less than Sven but do you think Mandaric would have plumped up the resources to get us out of the Championship let alone breaking our transfer record twice, sign Cambiasso, et all? Well we were 5th in the Championship and in a play-off semi final when these owners first turned up and were shown around with the 'big continental name' (i.e. Sousa) that they wanted. So yes, back in 2010 before they took over Pearson had already taken us from the third tier to a second tier promotion challenge with very little money, and five years ago if you'd said 'in 2015 we'll finish 14th in the PL' we'd have been happy, but it's also in line with what we'd have expected. Their early meddling with Sousa and Sven set us back three years, inasmuch as we didn't make the play-offs again until 2013, some time after we'd had to go back to Pearson with our tail between our legs. So it's very, very silly to give them any more credit, nor anywhere near as much credit as our manager. As another poster pointed out, Martin George was part of a board faction which ushered out Pleat for Lee, then brought in Little, McGhee and O'Neill. We spent nothing but ended up with two cups, six years at the highest level and in Europe. Some people are confusing being extremely rich with being extremely good at running a football club.
Mark_w Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Implying people who are angry that the best manager we've had in years has been sacked aren't Leicester City fans is ****ing stupid. I'm a Leicester City fan. Nigel Pearson has done an exceptional amount at and for Leicester City, fulfilled expectations last season and has every full season he has with the club, and really had us moving forward in the right direction. Now I'm not going to go off and support whoever Nigel manages, but the fact is our football club could quite, quite easily be damaged for this. And the identity that we were creating, and I was buying in to definitely will. I support Leicester City whatever but I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more when Nigel Pearson was in charge. If that makes me a Nigel Pearson fan rather than a Leicester fan then whatever, you can think that. I'd rather that than be a King Power fan.
Captain... Posted 1 July 2015 Author Posted 1 July 2015 In terms of recruiting a good manager we are in a much stronger position now than we were 4 months ago. Maybe this was always their plan, there are better managers than Pearson out there. As for the owners, they have made mistakes but they have built the club up in a proper way investing in the academy and facilities and supporting the manager financially. They have promoted and improved the atmosphere and looked to improve revenue streams. They did not sack Pearson the first time, that was Mandy, they did not sack Pearson 3 seasons ago when they could have done, they didn't sack him this season when most other owners would have. As I said if their relationship broke down to the point they could no longer work together, this is without apportioning blame to either party, it is easier to replace Pearson than sell the club. look at Villa, Lerner has been trying to sell for years now and the club is going backwards.
The Guvnor Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Trying to put some rationale to the timing of this sacking, Nigel apparently involved in the final stages of Okazaki's signing it doesn't make any f^cking sense. All the vultures will be circling now to cherry pick our best players, theres probably no substance to the journo's stories but even hearing that Villa are interested in talking to Cambiasso is sickening. Can't even begin to think about who will be the next manager, whoever it is will have some pretty big trainers to fill.
inckley fox Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 It goes without saying that our current board have done two separate things in charge. (1) Wasting loads of money without Pearson in charge and ruining the spectacular progress we'd previously made with him, and (2) not wasting loads of money with Pearson in charge and recovering and improving on the spectacular progress he'd made. Yes, clearly it's they and not he who should take the credit for his success. Even though, you know, loads of owners (including our own) spend loads of money and run clubs terribly, and loads of clubs don't spend loads of money (including ourselves during our most successful ever era) and do a decent job.
The Bloomfield Years Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Both the owners and NP have been excellent for this club, it is just dissappointing in the manner in which it is played out in the public. If it was done by a phone call that is outrageous and poor form as no matter what you think about NP he deserves a minimum of respect. If this is planned and a succession plan is in place our new Manager should be in place shortly?? I have followed City for 50 years and the last 10 games of last season were as good as I have seen it, a great place to watch football, great fans, great team spirit..... just bloody great...... that is why I am so gutted, lets hope it is not a here we go again yo yo moment. Bourght my Season ticket at the start of The Great Escape....always Keep the Faith just wish it could be a bit more straight forward being a Fox....
Captain... Posted 1 July 2015 Author Posted 1 July 2015 Implying people who are angry that the best manager we've had in years has been sacked aren't Leicester City fans is ****ing stupid. I'm a Leicester City fan. Nigel Pearson has done an exceptional amount at and for Leicester City, fulfilled expectations last season and has every full season he has with the club, and really had us moving forward in the right direction. Now I'm not going to go off and support whoever Nigel manages, but the fact is our football club could quite, quite easily be damaged for this. And the identity that we were creating, and I was buying in to definitely will. I support Leicester City whatever but I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more when Nigel Pearson was in charge. If that makes me a Nigel Pearson fan rather than a Leicester fan then whatever, you can think that. I'd rather that than be a King Power fan. I didn't imply anything of the sort, I just expressed an opinion that we are all Leicester fans and come the opening day we will all be hoping for a win regardless of who is in charge. I am shocked Nigel has gone, but this isn't necessarily a backward step.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 Historically, we've been a shit provincial club taken to rare heights by talented managers. Now we've got considerable backing from safe, patient investors who've been very sensible with their money over the last eighteen months. Your assertion that Pearson would be harder to replace than our owners is just reactionary and silly. We're where we are because of their investment. Pearson may have spent less than Sven but do you think Mandaric would have plumped up the resources to get us out of the Championship let alone breaking our transfer record twice, sign Cambiasso, et all? They were only safe, patient investors when Pearson was in charge, the time they had here with the only other manager they employed we were reckless, impatient investors who thought you could throw money at problems to sort them out. The assertion is not silly at all, you only have to look at the last time we got rid of Pearson to see just how difficult it can be to attract a decent manager. Do you really think no other owner would be interested in buying LCFC at the minute? We're a club with a relatively low wage budget, debt free, young squad, (had) an extremely talented young manager and have just finished in a very decent position in our first year in the Premiership, I think you are massively underselling us and I actually think we'd be extremely attractive to many people at this time.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 His record looks good when viewed as percentages but the lack of consistency throughout almost his entire tenure has always worried me. I know a Man United fan who didn't rate Ferguson for the same reason, he enjoyed the 15 league titles etc but on occasions they didn't win a match for 2-3 weeks.
artursteppe Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 The owners are only seen as 'great owners' because of the work Pearson has done on the pitch, before he turned up we were being booed off after losing 3-0 at home to Millwall having spent more money on a team than we ever had in our history. If we were still half way up the Championship massively in debt and pinning our hopes for next season on monks blessing the pitch and elephant statues pointing outside the ground they would be viewed as wacky as Vincent Tan and Al Fayed. Every single decision these have made that hasn't revolved around wanting Nigel Pearson to work for Leicester City has been a disaster, we're about to find out now just how good they really are, they might be about to find out just how hard it is to find a decent maanger. The only basis people seem to have these days to judge owners on is how much money they have, I'll tell you who a good owner/chairman was - Martin George. He barely had a pot to piss in football terms but he employed Martin O'Neill and Brian Little which were decisions that took us from the bottom of the second division to Europe. And I thought it was the owners who gave Pearson the job. No credit to them, but you credit Martin George for bringing managers on board. You seem a little confused.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 And I thought it was the owners who gave Pearson the job. No credit to them, but you credit Martin George for bringing managers on board. You seem a little confused. Yep, they've employed him once and sacked him three times. I'll give them credit for one of those decisions.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 We aren't doomed to keep repeating past mistakes, every chance we could get a better manager. Will NFP ever manage at this level again? If I was owner of a club I'd think twice about appointing him due to lack of footballing consistency and regular fallouts with fans, press, players and now owners. He will be in great demand in this division
The Doctor Posted 1 July 2015 Posted 1 July 2015 He will be in great demand in this division Eh, he'll be in great demand in the championship, here the only ones who would take a chance would be the newly promoted clubs or other strugglers.
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