MooseBreath Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 I said before the election that cutbacks would get worse and I was called all sorts of names.This probably didn't happen because 1) everyone knew the tories would continue to cut public spending, they were very open about it and nobody should have been caught by surprise and 2) I seriously doubt anyone actually called you any names because nicknames are bad names
Rincewind Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 You believe Cameron when he said he would not cut tax credits. I did not. By names I was told it was rubbish when I said I did not trust Cameron. I conceded some things by saying well done to John Major for speaking out. How about you conceding something too like others have? You have defended Cameron et al regardless of what they do. Even some Tories are now saying the cuts have gone too far.Your stance seems to be 'I am not affected so bugger those that are because I am alright.' You have completely ignored my last two posts where I said I was not far left and said Corbyn was not perfect.
MooseBreath Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 I'm happy with the cuts and expect more, particularly to benefits.
MooseBreath Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 Thank you for enforcing my point. How do you know I'm not affected?
Webbo Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 UK unemployment rate falls to lowest since April 2008 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34785758 I know all non-bias, fair minded posters on here will want to congratulate the govt on this achievement.
Guest MattP Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 But 99% of them are minus zero hour contracts at poundland where they actually have to pay to work to avoid being murdered by Ian Duncan Smith.
Dr The Singh Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 Well I never: http://www.indiatvnews.com/politics/national/rare-pics-of-narendra-modi-posing-as-a-sikh-during-emergency-12506.html
Guest Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 How do you know I'm not affected? We think you're both affected and infected.
Guest Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 UK unemployment rate falls to lowest since April 2008 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34785758 I know all non-bias, fair minded posters on here will want to congratulate the govt on this achievement. amazing they are Gods to have got the Unemployment rate the lowest it has been for 7.5 years.
MooseBreath Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 We think you're both affected and infected. Good post
Guest MattP Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 Fair play Jezza. He's joined the privvy council, took his oath, did the hop, got on one knee and pledged his allegiance to the Queen while kissing her hand. I get the feeling he might be started to enjoy the pomp and circumstance.
Buce Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 Fair play Jezza. He's joined the privvy council, took his oath, did the hop, got on one knee and pledged his allegiance to the Queen while kissing her hand. I get the feeling he might be started to enjoy the pomp and circumstance. It's now being reported that he didn't kneel. Meanwhile, BoJo does his bit for Anglo/Palestinian relations: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34788389
Guest Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 Johnson - the next leader-elect of the UK. The Prince Philip of politics.
Dr The Singh Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 Good to hear, some truths comming out: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/india-hindu-taliban-narendra-modi?CMP=share_btn_fb India is being ruled by a Hindu Taliban Anish Kapoor Narendra Modi is clamping down on tolerance and freedom of expression. In Britain we have a responsibility to speak out against it David Cameron and Narendra Modi share a joke at the start of the Indian prime minister’s visit to Britain. Photograph: Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPA Thursday 12 November 2015 17.33 GMT Last modified on Friday 13 November 201508.26 GMT Share on Pinterest Share on LinkedIn Share on Google+ Shares22,686 Comments430 Save for later The Hindu god Vishnu has several incarnations, many of them human. The latest of these appears to be Narendra Modi. All over India there are images of the man, right arm raised in the benevolent gesture of good fortune. But this strong-but-enlightened-man image hides the frightening and shrill reality of an increasingly Modi-led Hindu dominance of India. For years Britain shunned Narendra Modi. So why roll out the red carpet now? Aditya Chakrabortty Read more The country’s openness to social and religious minorities (more than 500 million people) and regional differences is at serious risk. Of late, Modi’s regime has effectively tolerated – if not encouraged – a saffron-clad army of Hindu activists who monitor and violently discipline those suspected of eating beef, disobeying caste rules or betraying the “Hindu nation”. In the UK, people might perhaps be familiar with India’s cricket prowess, atrocities in Kashmir or the recent horrific rape cases. But beyond that, many of us choose not to know. India’s global image now mimics China’s – a rising global economic power with attractive trade and investment opportunities. As a result, business trumps human rights, with little concern, especially on the part of David Cameron’s government, for the rising wave of Hindu tyranny. All this is good news for Prime Minister Modi, who flew into London today. He won’t be seriously called to account for human rights abuses or systematic thuggery. If there is one thing that has marked the man’s first year and a half in power it is this: he is not a man who takes kindly to scrutiny or criticism. In fact, he has used the very economic agenda that causes Britain to turn a blind eye to his regime’s human rights abuses to muzzle dissent within India. Play Video Play Mute Current Time0:00 / Duration Time2:06 Loaded: 0% Progress: 0% Fullscreen FacebookTwitterPinterest Protesters demonstrate against Cameron’s welcoming of Narendra Modi on ThursdayModi’s latest move has been the strangulation of Greenpeace India, culminating last Friday with the organisation’s licence to operate being removed. Respect for human rights and environmental organisations is so often a litmus test for the democratic state of a country. Worryingly, the Indian government has been cracking down on all “foreign-funded” charities for the past year, claiming that the national economy is threatened by environmental restrictions and other “un-Indian” activities. Nine thousand NGOs have been “de-registered” in a concerted effort to force out these “nuisance” groups and cast them as foreign enemies. Of late, many Indian journalists and human rights activists have been harassed and threatened with “sedition” charges: for example, Teesta Setalvad, who still seeks justice for the victims of communal violence in the state of Gujarat in 2002, when Modi was the state’s chief minister; and Santosh Yadav, arrested in September in the state of Chhattisgarh on what Amnesty International believes are fabricated charges resulting from his investigatory journalism exposing police brutality against Adivasis (indigenous people). A few weeks ago, even a musician who sang a satirical song criticising the state governor of Tamil Nadu over alcohol sales was charged with “anti-Indian activity”. This alarming erosion of democracy is a slippery slope that may end up targeting not just minorities and “outsiders” but any dissenting “insiders”. What I’ve seen happening is a spirit of fear taking hold, which threatens to silence activists, artists and intellectuals alike. We’ve never known that before. Narendra Modi’s UK visit is a historic moment for our very special relationship Keith Vaz Read more A Hindu version of the Taliban is asserting itself, in which Indians are being told: “It’s either this view – or else.” A friend told me: “There is huge oppression of anyone who’s different.” Last month, dozens of Indian writers handed back their literary awards in protest, following communal violence against Muslims and attacks on intellectuals. India is a country of 1.25 billion people, including 965 million Hindus and 170 million Muslims. We have a long tradition of tolerance and, despite differences, have managed to pull our huge country together. But the government’s militant Hinduism risks marginalising other faiths and tearing apart these bonds. Many of us dread what might then happen. We in Britain cannot bite our tongues any more; we have a responsibility to speak out. And we need to work on at least two fronts: demand that Cameron not make business deals at the cost of human rights, and press Modi to answer for the Indian government’s abysmal rights record; and recognise and support the many Indian citizens, journalists and organisations that are resisting growing Hindu fanaticism and state authoritarianism. I’ll be joining protesters outside Downing Street today. Following the lead of India’s opposition groups, we have a duty to speak out for the people Modi is trying to silence, precisely because we are free to do so.
Guest Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 No comments from the con supporters about Major's comments this week then. You know comments about the ruling party as opposed to corbyncomments.
MooseBreath Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 No comments from the con supporters about Major's comments this week then. You know comments about the ruling party as opposed to corbyncomments. There wasn't much in the speech I didn't agree with. Although I thought his comments about relative poverty were a bit over the top, he did qualify them by acknowledging that absolute poverty has fallen dramatically. I agreed with the general thrust of his proposed solutions although those kind of things are much easier said than done. Did you agree with all of it?
Rincewind Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 No comments from the con supporters about Major's comments this week then. You know comments about the ruling party as opposed to corbyn comments. Good point.
Guest MattP Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 Letter from MP and ex soldier Thomas Tugendhat to Jeremy Corbyn about his appointment of Seumas Milne. Dear Jeremy, I am writing today with regards to reported comments made by the Labour Party’s Director of Strategy and Communication, Seumas Milne. The Sun newspaper reported this morning that Mr Milne had dismissed well-founded and valid concerns about equipment shortages as a ‘red herring’, instead suggesting that British soldiers themselves were to blame for dying in Afghanistan ‘because they are occupiers in another Muslim country where they’re not wanted’. Not only are these remarks ignorant and ill-informed, they are deeply disrespectful to those who served in Afghanistan at the time and to the friends and families of those who lost their lives in the conflict. Furthermore, and perhaps most absurdly, they recognise the authority of the Taliban, violent extremists who murdered thousands across the country, as more valid than the lawful government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, the UN recognised, democratically elected government of the Afghan people. More sadly still, it ignores the courage of our allies in the Afghan Armed Forces alongside whom we served and in support of whom too many died. This is not an isolated incident. Not only has Mr Milne suggested 9/11 was America’s fault and appeared to support armed resistance against British troops in Iraq, he is also on record claiming that the murder of Lee Rigby, an innocent man murdered on a London street, wasn’t “terrorism in the normal sense” because Mr Rigby was a member of the Armed Forces. By extension, am I to understand that this means that Mr Milne believes that I and other former servicemen and women on both sides of the House are also valid targets because of our records of military service? You have spoken eloquently about wanting to see a ‘kinder politics’ and I welcome this. It would make our county a more inclusive democracy. This is your opportunity to lead by example. As the leader of the Labour Party and Her Majesty’s Opposition, I urge you to consider the implication of having people on your team whose views support violent extremists rather than democrats. Our history is littered with despots whom British soldiers, sailors and airmen have fought against to secure the liberties we enjoy today, it seems sad that such anti-democratic elements should find voice in one of our important national political parties. I know that many on all sides of the House wish it were not so. I hope you will take this opportunity to condemn Mr Milne’s remarks. To stay silent would be wrong and may be seen as endorsing the views of those who choose violence instead of political debate. Neither we, nor the Afghan servicemen I was proud to serve alongside, were occupiers. We were both doing what I know you would support – serving the lawful wishes of the democratically elected governments of the countries we each served. To forget that would be an insult to the memories of our brave serviceman and women and to treat democracy as an inconvenience when it is, in truth, the sole legitimate source of power. I would appreciate a response at your earliest convenience indicating what steps you intend to take. Yours, Thomas Tugendhat MBE MP
Guest MattP Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 No comments from the con supporters about Major's comments this week then. You know comments about the ruling party as opposed to corbyncomments. Were they really that relevent enough for Tories to come onto message boards and talk about it? Why didn't you start some debate on it? As I've said on here I agree with Major, the Tories should be doing everything they can not to target the working poor, even more so when they are trying to come across as the party of the working people, it's a moot point now anyway, they didn't get through the house of lords and now we'll see something totally different to replace it.
Alf Bentley Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 There wasn't much in the speech I didn't agree with. Although I thought his comments about relative poverty were a bit over the top, he did qualify them by acknowledging that absolute poverty has fallen dramatically. I agreed with the general thrust of his proposed solutions although those kind of things are much easier said than done. Did you agree with all of it? Credit to Major for seeming to feel that high levels of inequality and relative poverty do matter. Struck quite a contrast with Cameron's correspondence with Tory-run Oxfordshire County Council criticising their public service cuts Is Cameron really clueless, out-of-touch or cynical enough to have drafted a letter suggesting that swingeing cuts to local government budgets should have little impact on locally-funded public services? Maybe it was some thicko/Young Conservative intern in his office? Interesting that Major is still pushing the role of business and charities in poverty alleviation. I thought that the "Big Society" policy was supposed to be harnessing them to solve the problem 5 years ago? Whatever happened to "the Big Society"? Certainly, there is a role for business and charities to play. A lot of charities are having their public grants cancelled or squeezed, though, making them ever more reliant on Joe Pubic - and a lot of business involvement is tokenistic and for self-promotion purposes (nothing massively wrong with that - businesses mainly exist to make profits; it is our democratic representatives who should be playing more of a leading role). Many of the issues causing relative poverty and inequality are sufficiently difficult to need social/political expertise and a long-term response that is more likely to come from sustained public policies, not business contributions, anyway: poor diet, under-education, structural unemployment within particular communities and/or families etc.
Guest MattP Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 Credit to Major for seeming to feel that high levels of inequality and relative poverty do matter. Struck quite a contrast with Cameron's correspondence with Tory-run Oxfordshire County Council criticising their public service cuts Is Cameron really clueless, out-of-touch or cynical enough to have drafted a letter suggesting that swingeing cuts to local government budgets should have little impact on locally-funded public services? Maybe it was some thicko/Young Conservative intern in his office? That wouldn't surprise me, but you would hope the Prime Minister would be checking something with his name on going to his local council. As I've said before I don't think Cameron is the sharpest tool in the box at all, his attitude on Libya, the EU, Syria appear to bear that out, he's also been outrageously lucky at times (The first Syria vote would have destroyed him had Labour backed him and we bombed Assad out of office, effectively marching ISIS/Al Nusra to power), the (supposed for argument's sake) economic recovery is what managed to get the Tories back up alongside Labour in the polls from a 10pt deficit that was down to George Osbourne rather than him. Then when the polls wouldn't move for the General Election he gets a totally unforseen bonus of a swing to Scottish Nationalism after the Scottish referendum that leaves the general public with a choice of either him or a Miliband/Sturgeon combination as an alternative at a general election that delivers him victory. The cartoon in the telegraph made me laugh today.
Alf Bentley Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 Letter from MP and ex soldier Thomas Tugendhat to Jeremy Corbyn about his appointment of Seumas Milne. [....] Tory MP questions defence stance of lefty Labour adviser. Whatever next? Denis Skinner writes to Cameron questioning the closure of the coal mines? Mind you, Tugendhat sounds a bit more interesting than most MPs on either side of the house: Son of a High Court judge, nephew of an ex-MP and European Commissioner, studied Theology, then did a Masters in Islamics at Cambridge, learned Arabic in Yemen, joined Intelligence Corps and got an MBE for military service in Iraq & Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tugendhat Not yer typical soldier or yer typical MP....and I mean that in a good way, even if I'd mainly disagree with him politically. There should be more MPs who have a background outside politics, whatever their other background. Don't know much about Milne, apart from reading 1 or 2 of his articles in the Grauniad in the past - which seemed quite good from a lefty perspective. If he's also made 1 or 2 ill-advised comments, does anyone other than political obsessives care? It's all just part of the Tory media campaign to depict Labour under Corbyn as dangerously extremist......the mirror image of repeated publication of the Bullingdon photo and comments about piggy-sex by the left.
Alf Bentley Posted 13 November 2015 Posted 13 November 2015 That wouldn't surprise me, but you would hope the Prime Minister would be checking something with his name on going to his local council. As I've said before I don't think Cameron is the sharpest tool in the box at all, his attitude on Libya, the EU, Syria appear to bear that out, he's also been outrageously lucky at times (The first Syria vote would have destroyed him had Labour backed him and we bombed Assad out of office, effectively marching ISIS/Al Nusra to power), the (supposed for argument's sake) economic recovery is what managed to get the Tories back up alongside Labour in the polls from a 10pt deficit that was down to George Osbourne rather than him. Then when the polls wouldn't move for the General Election he gets a totally unforseen bonus of a swing to Scottish Nationalism after the Scottish referendum that leaves the general public with a choice of either him or a Miliband/Sturgeon combination as an alternative at a general election that delivers him victory. The cartoon in the telegraph made me laugh today. Good cartoon! Yes, I don't think Call Me Dave will go down in history as a great PM, though he was dealt a difficult hand to be fair (public finances wrecked after 2008 global crash, party divided over Europe, wars, international relations/economy tricky). There will be a case to argue for and against Osborne (I'd be against, obviously, due to political perspective) but what will Cameron be remembered for? Possibly for the outcome of the EU referendum now, whatever that is.... I can't believe that he wrote or read that letter to Oxfordshire Council himself - I'm sure MPs are quite selective as to which correspondence they deal with personally, never mind the PM. Even so, it shows atrocious judgment either in appointing the person who did write it or in giving them the authority to send such a letter in his name without checking it.
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