Guest MattP Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 The Royals are an integral part of the establishment, and they all feed at the same trough. They benefit enormously from the Tory controlled media. The propaganda is relentless - a daily dose of what the latest Royal brat has achieved (walking, talking, and a whole list of things that every baby does), or how radiant its mother looks, or how brave Harry is. Who actually wants to know that shit? It's all about brainwashing the proles (highly effective it is too, as some of the nausiating posts on here demonstrate). You mean like on the verge of her becoming the longest reigning monarch when the nation's biggest Royal loving Tory rag decided to splash her as a child all over the front cover making Nazi salutes at an age where we all know she wouldn't have had a clue as to what she was doing? Real winner with the public that.
Darkon84 Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 How the hell has this become about left and right, wishing death on old ladies. the Murdoch press (again, yawn) etc. Jesus wept. If you don't like her, don't wish her a happy birthday, fine. Find a corner to sit in and throw your V's up at her when she's on the tv, but to wish death, fvck me, we've got some clowns on here. Anyway, Happy Birthday Liz. God save the Queen!
Rincewind Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 She's just another human being like the rest of us. Well done to her for reaching 90. Another human being yes but like the rest of us? She makes speeches about the less well off yet her hats cost more than it does to clothe a child as a single parent for a year. What does she know what it is like to struggle on a minimum wage? I am not wishing death on her and left right has nothing to do with it. I am just indifferent about an old lady celebrating a birthday. You are not going to get a knighthood for singing happy birthday like her friend Jimmy Saville. There are other things that matter to me more.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 How the hell has this become about left and right, wishing death on old ladies. the Murdoch press (again, yawn) etc. Jesus wept. If you don't like her, don't wish her a happy birthday, fine. Find a corner to sit in and throw your V's up at her when she's on the tv, but to wish death, fvck me, we've got some clowns on here. Anyway, Happy Birthday Liz. God save the Queen! It's a good thing that the thread has encouraged debate about the pros and cons of constitutional monarchy and whether the press has an effect of stifling republican feelings rather than being a flag waving, well wishing exercise.
Darkon84 Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 I am not anti-Queenie but I am against what she represents. A Republic would be no better though. Is it Holland where the Royal family live quite normally? No palaces and big country estates and some of them even use bikes as transport. Support the Queen and immediate family by all means but not third cousins removed as well. That is my main gripe. I do not wish her dead but I will not mourn her passing any more than any other stranger has no insight in the world outside their own. My mother is a couple of years younger and I care more about her health more. Come off it Rince, you're anti Queenie in the same way you're Pro Corbyn. You'll say you have no interest or are something different, but it's obvious to the rest of us Anyway, with regards to the Dutch Royal family, it's quite the opposite in fact. They have a fair few palaces, and cost more than the Queen. And with regards to the normal jobs, One of them was a banker (which I'm sure you won't find a problem with as bankers are lovely people, right?). Surely Our Princes have what could be classed as normal jobs...Ones an air ambulance pilot and another as a soldier? . http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/30/king-willem-12-things-dutch-royal-family http://www.unofficialroyalty.com/royal-residences/dutch-royal-residences/
Darkon84 Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 It's a good thing that the thread has encouraged debate about the pros and cons of constitutional monarchy and whether the press has an effect of stifling republican feelings rather than being a flag waving, well wishing exercise. I've not noticed a great deal of debate regarding the actual pros and cons of the monarchy though over the last 2 pages (bar Alfs brilliant piece). Just some people wishing happy birthday, others displaying their distaste for her, pretty much.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 I've not noticed a great deal of debate regarding the actual pros and cons of the monarchy though over the last 2 pages (bar Alfs brilliant piece). Just some people wishing happy birthday, others displaying their distaste for her, pretty much. I admit it's not exactly The Today Programme but it's still better than nothing, it's an important question people should think about.
Guest MattP Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 I admit it's not exactly The Today Programme but it's still better than nothing, it's an important question people should think about. The Question is pretty much settled anyway though for the forseeable future.
Darkon84 Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 I admit it's not exactly The Today Programme but it's still better than nothing, it's an important question people should think about. It's good to inspire debate and actually make people think, just as with any other subject. I think Matt's image above give's a good enough overall view to show it's not hugely up for debate at the moment. From personal experience, the people who I have met, known, or spoken to who aren't really keen on the Roayls, can still see why they are good for Britain and can understand why people still want to keep them. I've rarely ever met anyone who completely wants them removed, sees them as pointless or wants them dead!
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 The Question is pretty much settled anyway though for the forseeable future. I think that attitudes will change on HRH's death/abdication, and the debate will become mainstream in the months rolling up to Charlie Boy's coronation. I think the bottom graph you have posted already shows a degree of sceptism in regards to succession.
Guest MattP Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 I think that attitudes will change on HRH's death/abdication, and the debate will become mainstream in the months rolling up to Charlie Boy's coronation. I think the bottom graph you have posted already shows a degree of sceptism in regards to succession. Very much doubt that, the chance for any wave of Republicanism in Britain was after Diana's death, people just aren't interested, even Republicans like Alf would still vote for a monarchy because they've seen the alternative (and who can blame them when you look at how a lot of one HoS countries leaders behave). People like the balance.
Alf Bentley Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 The Question is pretty much settled anyway though for the forseeable future. Barring some massive, unexpected scandal, that certainly seems to be the case for as long as the Queen is around (another 15 years, I'd guess). Attitudes could change quickly, though, if Charles takes over and starts intervening in politics (and I agree with some of his views). Hopefully, he would be given some quiet advice about his constitutional role (i.e. taken out the back of Buck House and kneed in the goolies). If the abolition of the monarchy is ever a serious prospect, I hope we give very serious consideration to the democratic/constitutional implications and workings of whatever system replaces it - a massive issue with the potential to damage our democracy. William's interview comments yesterday were interesting: stressing his agreement with the Queen's approach of not intervening in politics (unstated contrast with his father). Could we see a family struggle for the succession to match Ed & David Miliband, and a patricidal palace coup?
Guest MattP Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Barring some massive, unexpected scandal, that certainly seems to be the case for as long as the Queen is around (another 15 years, I'd guess). Attitudes could change quickly, though, if Charles takes over and starts intervening in politics (and I agree with some of his views). Hopefully, he would be given some quiet advice about his constitutional role (i.e. taken out the back of Buck House and kneed in the goolies). If the abolition of the monarchy is ever a serious prospect, I hope we give very serious consideration to the democratic/constitutional implications and workings of whatever system replaces it - a massive issue with the potential to damage our democracy. William's interview comments yesterday were interesting: stressing his agreement with the Queen's approach of not intervening in politics (unstated contrast with his father). Could we see a family struggle for the succession to match Ed & David Miliband, and a patricidal palace coup? I would certainly favour William over Charles now. And I promise you that's not just because Charles is a huge lefty, he has too much baggage, he's liable to interference as already proven and he just isn't a good choice in comparison to William and Kate who seem to be widely loved not just here but around the World.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Very much doubt that, the chance for any wave of Republicanism in Britain was after Diana's death, people just aren't interested, even Republicans like Alf would still vote for a monarchy because they've seen the alternative (and who can blame them when you look at how a lot of one HoS countries leaders behave). People like the balance. I'd probably add maybe the feeling would depend on the goverment of the day. I think it's no coincedence that the low point you mentioned at Diana's death was at the same time Blair had just been elected and their was a anti establishment feeling at the time. Blair could have concieveably called for a referendum at that point.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 This beacon lighting makes great television. It's the greatest spectacle since Sky's live coverage of the demolition of the twin towers of Wembley stadium, which consisted of them being chipped away at with a tiny chisel on the end of a gigantic crane arm, for too long, too long
Bellend Sebastian Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 This one's better. A big pile of pallets and branches in a field and a bloke with a blowtorch
MC Prussian Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 This thread is way to close to the Prince one and the 2016 Deathlist... a bad omen. I'm joking, she'll make it for at least another 90.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 This beacon thing is a big ****ing mistake imo. Denethor will be pissed and the last thing we want is the Rohirrim showing up.
Free Falling Foxes Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 HRH!!!! The correct way to address the Queen is Her Majesty. Pedant I know but I'm trying save you a spell in the tower. This thread gives me an excuse to post this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng
Guest MattP Posted 21 April 2016 Posted 21 April 2016 Is anyone watching this week? Ken Livingstone is now saying he wouldn't want to disband the monarchy and he's singing along to GSTQ. Politics is getting weirder.
David Guiza Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 I don't have any animosity towards her or praise. I do get somewhat bemused in circumstances whereby the monarch speaks about poverty/finance with her multimillion pound hat on. Anyway, here's an article on quotes from the great George Orwell explaining why the left should be grateful for the monarchy. http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/george-orwell-explains-why-leftwingers-should-actually-be-grateful-for-the-monarchy--WyYcUGaDbZ
Alf Bentley Posted 23 April 2016 Posted 23 April 2016 I could become a fan of hers if this was true. "King Power": Shouldn't that photo feature a forlorn and aging Charles, not the Queen?
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