Brexit Poll

[Dodgy Bob]

So if Remain had won you'd be quite happy to have it re run until we voted to leave? Come off it, this is getting pathetic.

If similar factors to the ones I've brought up were still present and valid then yes i'd be happy to hold another vote. Democracy is about giving the people what they want. It isn't about tricking them with lies, it isn't about taking advantage of voter apathy.

[Webbo]

If similar factors to the ones I've brought up were still present and valid then yes. Democracy is about giving the people what they want. It isn't about tricking them with lies, it isn't about taking advantage of voter apathy.

In that case we better rerun every election we've had for the last 70 years.

 

Btw there's no way you would have agreed with a re run.

[yorkie1999]

I voted to leave because i hate status quo.

[Dodgy Bob]

In that case we better rerun every election we've had for the last 70 years.

Btw there's no way you would have agreed with a re run.

Those elections have already been re-ran because we re-run elections at least every five years, and that's a vital part of the process. The referendum is different because there is no prospect of re-running it, which makes it all the more important that we ensure everyone knows as many of the facts as possible and that everyone is as engaged with it as possible. That wasn't the case before the referendum, but it is now, so now is a more democratically credible time to hold the vote.

If we voted again next week do you think leave would still win?

[Len Finsbury]

Can we replay the game against Iceland until we beat them?

 

 

So if Remain had won you'd be quite happy to have it re run until we voted to leave? Come off it, this is getting pathetic.

 

 

In that case we better rerun every election we've had for the last 70 years.

 

Btw there's no way you would have agreed with a re run.

 

You've become a bit obsessed by the suggestion of a second referendum just because we didn't like the outcome. With any election/vote, if it was won based on a campaign of untruths or exaggerations and people voted based on those then the first one should be invalid.

You could also say that the majority of those eligible to vote didn't vote for us to leave. 17.4m out of 46.5m is just over 37%. It could be spun in such a way that suggests 63% weren't in favour of change, at least certainly not enough to vote. If we truly are saying that a majority is needed to determine the outcome of a referendum, and I say this regardless of the side in which one favours, a majority is greater than 23.25m

[Webbo]

Those elections have already been re-ran because we re-run elections at least every five years, and that's a vital part of the process. The referendum is different because there is no prospect of re-running it, which makes it all the more important that we ensure everyone knows as many of the facts as possible and that everyone is engaged with it as possible. That wasn't the case before the referendum, but it is now, so now is a more democratically credible time to hold the vote.

If we voted again next week do you think leave would still win?

Yes

[Webbo]

You've become a bit obsessed by the suggestion of a second referendum just because we didn't like the outcome. With any election/vote, if it was won based on a campaign of untruths or exaggerations and people voted based on those then the first one should be invalid.

You could also say that the majority of those eligible to vote didn't vote for us to leave. 17.4m out of 46.5m is just over 37%. It could be spun in such a way that suggests 63% weren't in favour of change, at least certainly not enough to vote. If we truly are saying that a majority is needed to determine the outcome of a referendum, and I say this regardless of the side in which one favours, a majority is greater than 23.25m

Who says it was untruths and exaggerations? Nobody knows what will happen in the negotiations. I'm wondering what happened to the emergency budget we're supposed to have had by now.

 

The only facts we have are that 52% of the turnout voted for leave, which is a clear win. Please don't pretend you'd be in favour of another referendum if remain had won.

[Guest MattP]

20% + of people would happily ignore the vote and keep us in the EU, I'm genuinely surprised at that, I thought the vast majority of our posters were still democrats whatever happened.

 

I hope none of these people ever have the audacity to moan again about any party/politician/government ever just putting something through despite the public disagreeing with it.

Voted remain and would support any attempt to keep us in, I'm devastated to have lost my EU citizenship.

Think there should be a second poll for whether or not you believe it should ever have come to a referendum, which for me it never should have. Certainly not such an ill-informed one, we should have taken far longer and had a much more factual debate. When it became clear neither side knew what it was on about the referendum should have been postponed. For me, the electorate had no idea what it was voting for, and remaining in the short-term is the least restrictive option.

 

Don't ever moan about what Jeremy Hunt does again or quote anything to do with "most doctors" not wanting it so he shouldn't.

[Len Finsbury]

Who says it was untruths and exaggerations? Nobody knows what will happen in the negotiations. I'm wondering what happened to the emergency budget we're supposed to have had by now.

 

The only facts we have are that 52% of the turnout voted for leave, which is a clear win. Please don't pretend you'd be in favour of another referendum if remain had won.

 

Oh come on. £350 million per week to the NHS is clearly an utter lie. Promising that we'll 'negotiate' a free trade agreement with no freedom of movement, something that no other country has managed to do so far, even though no such negotiations have ever been discussed. These are two examples which may have swayed those to vote leave in the first place. 

You've got your leader getting chopsy at those we're hoping to negotiate with. This doesn't seem like a great way to enter these negotiations. 

There have been numerous instances of people saying that they regret voting to leave as they don't think they were well enough informed. The info was out there but for those too lazy to find it, they were fooled by what they were told.

 

To make claims, as Leave did, without any evidence to substantiate those claims, is disgraceful in exactly the same way that if a general election manifesto was entirely guesswork would also be.

[Dodgy Bob]

20% + of people would happily ignore the vote and keep us in the EU, I'm genuinely surprised at that, I thought the vast majority of our were still democrats whatever happened.

I hope none of these people ever have the audacity to moan again about any party/politician/government ever just putting something through despite the public disagreeing with it.

Don't ever moan about what Jeremy Hunt does again or quote anything to do with "most doctors" not wanting it so he shouldn't.

Don't know where you got that 20% but I'm not getting the impression on here that anyone wants to just reverse the result. Holding another referendum is not anti-democratic, in the same way as the appeals process in criminal law is not unjust, and in the same way that holding elections every five years and not every five hundred years is also not anti-democratic .

[Webbo]

Oh come on. £350 million per week to the NHS is clearly an utter lie. Promising that we'll 'negotiate' a free trade agreement with no freedom of movement, something that no other country has managed to do so far, even though no such negotiations have ever been discussed. These are two examples which may have swayed those to vote leave in the first place. 

You've got your leader getting chopsy at those we're hoping to negotiate with. This doesn't seem like a great way to enter these negotiations. 

There have been numerous instances of people saying that they regret voting to leave as they don't think they were well enough informed. The info was out there but for those too lazy to find it, they were fooled by what they were told.

 

To make claims, as Leave did, without any evidence to substantiate those claims, is disgraceful in exactly the same way that if a general election manifesto was entirely guesswork would also be.

For a start nobody believed that anyway. As for the free trade agreement we'll have to see. Have pensions been cut yet, have all the ex pats living in Spain been expelled? There scare stories on both sides. Seriously, get over it.

[Strokes]

Don't know where you got that 20% but I'm not getting the impression on here that anyone wants to just reverse the result. Holding another referendum is not anti-democratic, in the same way as the appeals process in criminal law is not unjust, and in the same way that we hold elections every five years and not every five hundred years.

So you are saying we should hold a referendum every five years on EU membership?

[Len Finsbury]

For a start nobody believed that anyway. As for the free trade agreement we'll have to see. Have pensions been cut yet, have all the ex pats living in Spain been expelled? There scare stories on both sides. Seriously, get over it.

 

We haven't left yet. We won't know how bad things may get until/if we actually leave.

 

As for saying no one believed it, it's easy to say that after it's been found to be utter lies. 

 

Just because the majority of the turnout voted to leave, it doesn't automatically assume that they made the right decision.

[Guest MattP]

The EU pressed on with plans for a European Army yesterday, why are we only talking about the lies of one side?

[Webbo]

We haven't left yet. We won't know how bad things may get until/if we actually leave.

 

As for saying no one believed it, it's easy to say that after it's been found to be utter lies. 

 

Just because the majority of the turnout voted to leave, it doesn't automatically assume that they made the right decision.

Right or wrong is a matter of opinion. Just because they voted out it doesn't automatically mean they're stupider than you.

[Dodgy Bob]

So you are saying we should hold a referendum every five years on EU membership?

No I don't think that would be in anyone's interests, but it's not too late right now to make absolutely sure that leave is a democratically sound decision. If leave wins again then so be it.

[Guest MattP]

What if remain wins?

Best of 3?

[Len Finsbury]

Right or wrong is a matter of opinion. Just because they voted out it doesn't automatically mean they're stupider than you.

 

We won't need to base it on opinion if we enter another recession, interest rates increase and house properties drop once we leave the EU. Although even though we haven't actually left yet, the repercussions that may have resulted from the vote (increased reports of racism, billions knocked off share prices, plummeting pound)  are currently being denied by those that voted leave. If it does indeed go wrong, as many people predict it will, those that voted leave will do their utmost to distance themselves from it.

 

I didn't say that those that voted out were stupid. Misinformed definitely, emotionally motivated perhaps, but not all stupid.

[bovril]

What if remain wins?

Best of 3?

 

Cameron and Johnson thumb war in Trafalgar Square.

[Guest MattP]

I didn't say that those that voted out were stupid. Misinformed definitely, emotionally motivated perhaps, but not all stupid.

 

You people are beyond belief, you really are.

[Webbo]

We won't need to base it on opinion if we enter another recession, interest rates increase and house properties drop once we leave the EU. Although even though we haven't actually left yet, the repercussions that may have resulted from the vote (increased reports of racism, billions knocked off share prices, plummeting pound)  are currently being denied by those that voted leave. If it does indeed go wrong, as many people predict it will, those that voted leave will do their utmost to distance themselves from it.

 

I didn't say that those that voted out were stupid. Misinformed definitely, emotionally motivated perhaps, but not all stupid.

Everybody said there would be a short term downturn if we voted out, no surprise there. Btw share prices are back where they were now.

 

Interest rate rises and recessions happen whether we're in the EU or not. Our economy is still in a massively better state than Spain, Greece, Portugal etc. The EU's been great for them.

[Len Finsbury]

You people are beyond belief, you really are.

 

Really? If you can tell me something that Leave promised that is substantiated, I'm all ears. They've given you a wish list without any plans to implement it. If this is what politics has now become, we're doomed.

[Len Finsbury]

Everybody said there would be a short term downturn if we voted out, no surprise there. Btw share prices are back where they were now.

 

Interest rate rises and recessions happen whether we're in the EU or not. Our economy is still in a massively better state than Spain, Greece, Portugal etc. The EU's been great for them.

Get your excuses in early. I like it 

As for comparing our economy to mediterranean Europe... 

[Guest MattP]

Really? If you can tell me something that Leave promised that is substantiated, I'm all ears. They've given you a wish list without any plans to implement it. If this is what politics has now become, we're doomed.

 

They told you the EU was starting the process of a European based defence force after the Brexit vote, Federica Mogherini's Global Strategy document yesterday more than backed that up.

[lifted*fox]

Yes

 

Pffft.