Brexit Poll

[Captain...]

I'm sure a lot of this has been discussed on the other threads, but having read lots of things about people voting to leave as a protest vote, or because they didn't think we would leave and now regret it. Also reading lots of people are contesting the result and think it is undemocratic and everything should do be done to stop the legislation.

 

Lets see how the FT public feel, votes are private comments public

[Mark_w]

I don't think everyone who voted to leave is an ignorant racist, but I would support an attempt to stay in the EU. So I'm abstaining I guess.

[TiffToff88]

Where is the "I voted to stay, and am disappointed that we lost, but i respect the opinions of the majority of Brexiters who voted to leave for the right reasons, but not the minority of bigots who voted leave just to 'kick the foreigners out'" option?

[GaelicFox]

Where is the

"I voted , but it's a joke I was allowed to vote as I'm not British"

LOL

[longman]

don't know how to say ...

[Guest]

and "I didn't vote because I'm under 35 but the oldies are wrong."

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Where is the "I voted to stay, and am disappointed that we lost, but i respect the opinions of the majority of Brexiters who voted to leave for the right reasons, but not the minority of bigots who voted leave just to 'kick the foreigners out'" option?

Yeah what he said 

[Captain...]

I don't think everyone who voted to leave is an ignorant racist, but I would support an attempt to stay in the EU. So I'm abstaining I guess.

 

I've edited for you, removed the "ignorant racist" bit.

[Captain...]

Where is the "I voted to stay, and am disappointed that we lost, but i respect the opinions of the majority of Brexiters who voted to leave for the right reasons, but not the minority of bigots who voted leave just to 'kick the foreigners out'" option?

 

That would be option 2,

[Mark_w]

I've edited for you, removed the "ignorant racist" bit.

Needs a proof read.

To clarify I'd support a second referendum rather than a refusal to leave. I would hope that a stronger case could be made to stay because I think the case to stay is stronger, but the whole thing is wishful thinking obviously.

[Thracian]

The referendum vote's been taken and no-one's been given chance to assess the consequences because they haven't happened yet, in terms of the choice offered and the changes wanted by those who voted "Leave".

 

As it stands there's no knowing the terms of our exit from the EU and it's no use guessing  though it may depend to some extent on who takes over as Conservative leader and I favour a genuine but Europe-friendly Brexit, rather than some halfway-house pretender.

 

The substantial regional spread of the leave victory, coupled with the 1.2 million mandate, only emphasised to me that we do need to take back  our independence and to replace freedom of movement with a safer and much more sensible approach to immigration.

 

It would be an act of faith to vote "happy" in this poll but that's what I hope to feel in time. I'd be distinctly unhappy to think of the alternatives and most especially remaining beholden to the dictates of the EU and people like Juncker.

 

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[Thracian]

Needs a proof read.

To clarify I'd support a second referendum rather than a refusal to leave. I would hope that a stronger case could be made to stay because I think the case to stay is stronger, but the whole thing is wishful thinking obviously.

 

 

 

How many referendums would like to get your own way and how many can others have who disagree with you?  

[Captain...]

Needs a proof read.

To clarify I'd support a second referendum rather than a refusal to leave. I would hope that a stronger case could be made to stay because I think the case to stay is stronger, but the whole thing is wishful thinking obviously.

 

There would have to be a good cause for a second referendum, the biggest consequence so far has the financial uncertainty and a second referendum would just add to that and delay getting any sort of stability in place, it is already bad enough with nothing happening until the Tories appoint a new leader. The only possible outcome is that a second referendum is held between now and then to "double check" before we pull the plug, but I don't see that happening, or if the EU offer up either a reduction in our contributions or concede that we get to control our borders better, or some sort of agreement where we get extra funding based on the number of immigrants that arrive, and by we I mean all EU countries get funding given and taken away based on net migration. Basically a concession/change from the EU should trigger a new referendum.

 

Would you support the Scottish blocking this and keeping us in limbo until something is resolved?

[Fox92]

Option two for me.

[Christoph]

Option 2. I've had to stop watching any news etc though as the amount of fear mongering about us leaving in the media is just over the top now. I'm going with "I voted remain, but i'm now going to bury my head in the sand and hope this all blows over". 

[Captain...]

The referendum vote's been taken and no-one's been given chance to assess the consequences because they haven't happened yet, in terms of the choice offered and the changes wanted by those who voted "Leave".

 

As it stands there's no knowing the terms of our exit from the EU and it's no use guessing  though it may depend to some extent on who takes over as Conservative leader and I favour a genuine but Europe-friendly Brexit, rather than some halfway-house pretender.

 

The substantial regional spread of the leave victory, coupled with the 1.2 million mandate, only emphasised to me that we do need to take back  our independence and to replace freedom of movement with a safer and much more sensible approach to immigration.

 

It would be an act of faith to vote "happy" in this poll but that's what I hope to feel in time. I'd be distinctly unhappy to think of the alternatives and most especially remaining beholden to the dictates of the EU and people like Juncker.

 

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For sure, I will ask the question again in a few years time, if we leave and join EFTA and still have open borders and still pay substantially into the EU, but have more sovereignty over our laws, I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be saying they didn't vote for that. Which is why there should almost be a second referendum when the new PM and the EU have put together an exit deal so we have a clear choice of 2 options and not a rejection of one in favour of a massive unknown.

[Danizen]

"I voted to remain but will do my own Brexit if this fvcking rain carries on!

[MPH]

For me leaving wasn't anything to do with racism/  xenophobia but more to do with the gradual  decline in the sovereignty of our parliament and its decision making/ passing of laws.

[Guest MattP]

I voted to leave but don't think that we will get the exit I want - I can see us still ending up in the single market with free movement of people, possibly with the sort of small reforms Cameron got for his orginal piece of prestidigitation.

 

Although it would still be far better than the previous situation, British courts would still have jurisdiction over European ones, we wouldn't be obliged to follow any European law and we'd have for certainy we are out of the Eurozone, potential bailouts and any sort of ever closer union.

 

P.S - Amazed 15% of people would happily override the biggest mandate in British history, these people aren't fit to live in a democratic nation.

[Captain...]

For me leaving wasn't anything to do with racism/  xenophobia but more to do with the gradual  decline in the sovereignty of our parliament and its decision making/ passing of laws.

 

So if we left and joined EFTA you would be happy with open borders? If we left and got back control of our borders but still signed up to the ECJ and ECHR you wouldn't be happy?

[Mark_w]

How many referendums would like to get your own way and how many can others have who disagree with you?  

I was disappointed that the remain campaign was fronted by people I largely disagree with and that the main thrust of the argument wasn't particularly positive. On those grounds I'd embrace - though I obviously don't expect - a second referendum, but you're right I wouldn't be calling for it if we'd voted to remain. It's a tad hypocritical, oh well.

[purpleronnie]

I voted to leave but don't think that we will get the exit I want - I can see us still ending up in the single market with free movement of people, possibly with the sort of small reforms Cameron got for his orginal piece of prestidigitation.

 

Although it would still be far better than the previous situation, British courts would still have jurisdiction over European ones, we wouldn't be obliged to follow any European law and we'd have for certainy we are out of the Eurozone, potential bailouts and any sort of ever closer union.

 

P.S - Amazed 15% of people would happily override the biggest mandate in British history, these people aren't fit to live in a democratic nation.

Depends on whether you see referendums as democratic, theres a bit more to it than just give the public a vote.  Have to agree with Chris Pattens view on them.  And that's not sour grapes I would feel the same way if we voted Remain.

 

And shame on you Matt being a thatcherite I would have thought you would share a dislike for referendums.

[Captain...]

I voted to leave but don't think that we will get the exit I want - I can see us still ending up in the single market with free movement of people, possibly with the sort of small reforms Cameron got for his orginal piece of prestidigitation.

 

Although it would still be far better than the previous situation, British courts would still have jurisdiction over European ones, we wouldn't be obliged to follow any European law and we'd have for certainy we are out of the Eurozone, potential bailouts and any sort of ever closer union.

 

P.S - Amazed 15% of people would happily override the biggest mandate in British history, these people aren't fit to live in a democratic nation.

 

And 3% have said they regret it and wish they had voted the other way, which would have swung the vote.

 

The consequences of leaving didn't really hit people until the results of the vote and now a lot of people regret it. The immediate impact on the markets will have had some effect. It is also written into law that a referendum can be repeated if the result is less than 60% and less than 75% people voted. It is not undemocratic to want to see that actioned. I would rather see a second referendum that confirms that exiting is the will of the people than force through something that it actually turns out the majority don't want.

 

The whole campaign was disgusting on both sides and the amount of lies and propaganda and just political posturing was disgusting. People are waking up to the fact that Brexit could mean the dismantling of the UK and years of deals and negotiations and uncertainty and impact on their own personal finances that just wasn't made clear (or was dismissed as scaremongering) and the truth is they may go through all of this and not even get what they want out of it.

 

That is all a long way off, before any of this starts we have to appoint a new PM, then vote on it in the commons, then the Lords, at some point the Scots can refuse consent, which will then need Westminster to override, the Queen also needs to give the Royal Assent, in the middle of all this Scotland will be campaigning to leave the UK and join the EU, Northern Ireland too and then once we actual repeal the 1972 European Communities act we then start the 2 year exit negotiations with the EU.

 

If we are going to go through all of this then we should make bloody certain that it truly is the will of the people and not some reactionary protest anti-government/anti-Cameron sentiments that have got mixed up in all of this and skewed the vote. 

[purpleronnie]

My sister who was a huge fan of Cameron went to the polls voting remain but decided when she got there to vote leave and now regrets it. 

 

Referendums...nah thanks.

[Guest MattP]

Depends on whether you see referendums as democratic, theres a bit more to it than just give the public a vote.  Have to agree with Chris Pattens view on them.  And that's not sour grapes I would feel the same way if we voted Remain.

 

And shame on you Matt being a thatcherite I would have thought you would share a dislike for referendums.

 

This referendum certainly wasn't democractic, we had 9 million of public funds telling us to vote to remain, the government used the civil service in every way to make sure the figures supported their argument, they even organised numerous letters from all sorts of business people, religions organisations and celebrity luvvies to spread all across the media. Yet they still lost.

 

I'm not a Thatcherite, I'm a one-nation Disrealite.

 

And 3% have said they regret it and wish they had voted the other way which would have swung.

 

The consequences of leaving didn't really hit people until the results of the vote and now a lot of people regret it. The immediate impact on the markets will have had some effect. It is also written into law that a referendum can be repeated if the result is less than 60% and less than 75% people voted. It is not undemocratic to want to see that actioned. I would rather see a second referendum that confirms that exiting is the will of the people than force through something that it actually turns out the majority don't want.

 

The whole campaign was disgusting on both sides and the amount of lies and propaganda and just political posturing was disgusting. People are waking up to the fact that Brexit could mean the dismantling of the UK and years of deals and negotiations and uncertainty and impact on their own personal finances that just wasn't made clear, and they may go through all of this and not even get what they want out of it. Before any of this starts we have to appoint a new PM, then vote on it in the commons, then the Lords, at some point the Scots can refuse consent, which will then need Westminster to override, the Queen also needs to give the Royal Assent, in the middle of all this Scotland will be campaigning to leave the UK and join the EU, Northern Ireland too and then once we actual repeal the 1972 European Communities act we then start the 2 year exit negotiations with the EU.

 

If we are going to go through all of this then we should make bloody certain that it truly is the will of the people and not some reactionary protest anti-government/anti-Cameron sentiments that have got mixed up in all of this and skewed the vote. 

 

You can't seriously judge people's regret on the basis of 4 days Nothing really has happened, we had a sharp drop in the pound that's now recovering, the FTSE 100 dropped but has now clawed back to a level where it is actually above the 5 years average. Where was the "I voted remain but wish I had voted leave" option? Pretty sure they'll be some of them as well. Where is that law? I've never seen it.

 

We have to wait years before we know what the consequences are from this, to say these things werent made clear is absolitely ridiculous, the chancellor threatened a 30billion punishment budget that was all over the news for a day, barely a day went by when leavers were told that they wee voting to break up the UK, are we going to re run every election in the future as we'll just claim the people didn't know what they are voting for?

 

Scotland may go, I hate to break it you but they nearly went a couple of years ago while we were still in the EU, the politically differences are vast, if anything they could be more likely to stay with us OUTSIDE the EU now, as joining the Euro is going to be a tough sell, not to mention the sort of tax rises or austerity the SNP will have to implement to get themsleves into a financial position to be allowed to join, there is a reason why the SNP are now down on their knees begging to sneak in through the back door by being allowed to remain rather than go through the application process.

 

If you want to reverse the result just do it, The European Union pushed through the Lisbon treaty in France and Holland despite the public voting against it, they had a bit more creativity in Ireland with the same result but don't pledge armageddon for months, try and convince everyone it's a big mistake and then hold a referendum and then label it as some sort of triumph for democracy. Because then the people in power do deserve direct action from the people, and if you think the resentment from the anti-EU populace (all 17.5 million of) was bad before just wait until you see it after pulling this sort of banana republic style coup off.

You'll have a UKIP majority government next time around as well, just think about that. Seriously, get a grip of yourselves, democracy has spoken, with the biggest turnout of the public for nearly 30 years.