Brexit Poll

[Alf Bentley]

This is the one with over 4 million signatures. Whilst it seems to have been hijacked by the remain camp, it was started by a leave voter in case the result was close.

 

 

That one? I've heard of that one (60% majority on a 75%+ turnout -> permanent referendums forever).

 

But I thought that campaign only began to any significant extent AFTER the vote?

I wasn't aware of that campaign BEFORE the vote, when it might have been valid (if completely impractical).

 

I wish we hadn't voted out, but we did. The campaigns were disgracefully poor and largely dishonest, particularly Leave, but that's nothing new in politics.

If people made voting decisions they now regret, that's still largely their fault. Although the campaigns were poor and dishonest, info was available online.

If people couldn't spare a bit of time to inform themselves properly about the most important decision of our lifetimes, they can't whinge, sadly.

 

I know that many Eurosceptics wouldn't have accepted a narrow vote the other way (Farage said as much), but democracy matters.

This shitty decision has to be accepted, like the shitty decision to elect the Tories - we get what we voted for. Working out how to influence the future for the better is what matters now. The past is done.

[Kilworthfox]

The EU pressed on with plans for a European Army yesterday, why are we only talking about the lies of one side?

 

Thank god our country is leaving this outrageous corrupt organisation.

 

We will not be the last member of the EU to leave democratically, as there are many normal people whose lives are worse because of the E.U in other countries.

 

I understand the frustration of my vote not counting for years as I live in the Harborough area where it is a conservative guaranteed MP and I have never voted conservative (yet) and I never once moaned, because that is the democracy that this nation is built on, and I stand by my community if they believe that there is a certain direction that we must go.

 

There will never be a second referendum! The U.K voted to leave by over 1.25 Million voters, totally democratically, so lets get on and be positive about our futures, as we return to being a sovereign nation with our laws and under our power as voters again.

[Captain...]

It's not just about the lies, all elections are full of lies, it is about the startling number of people who voted to leave and didn't want us to leave, but were so convinced remain would win they voted as a protest against Cameron. The lies and bullshit campaigns from both sides just make it worse.

[Kilworthfox]

It's not just about the lies, all elections are full of lies, it is about the startling number of people who voted to leave and didn't want us to leave, but were so convinced remain would win they voted as a protest against Cameron. The lies and bullshit campaigns from both sides just make it worse.

 

Who?

[Strokes]

It's not just about the lies, all elections are full of lies, it is about the startling number of people who voted to leave and didn't want us to leave, but were so convinced remain would win they voted as a protest against Cameron. The lies and bullshit campaigns from both sides just make it worse.

How many do you make it then?

[Thracian]

They told you the EU was starting the process of a European based defence force after the Brexit vote, Federica Mogherini's Global Strategy document yesterday more than backed that up.

 

 

 

Should help our steel industry because we'll need to muscle up however that pans out. Haha, the thought! Our pub league golf competition was decimated today  - not because there was an earthquake or hurricane but because it was raining a bit. Hell, if Russia ever invades, they just need to pick the day according to the weather forecast, or just turn up in winter.       

[Thracian]

It's not just about the lies, all elections are full of lies, it is about the startling number of people who voted to leave and didn't want us to leave, but were so convinced remain would win they voted as a protest against Cameron. The lies and bullshit campaigns from both sides just make it worse.

 

 

So who's fault is that? They didn't win. They were 1.2 million short of the votes delivered by the lunatics who were suddenly out of their minds for a minute or two - and all on the same day.

I've been saying there's too much mental illness around for comfort but didn't realise mental problems were contagious but that Remainers were strangely immune. Damned lucky that, especially with the problem spread over so many areas as well!          

[bovril]

All this talk of a second referendum made me think of this:

[Thracian]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-bregret-leave-petition-second-remain-latest-will-we-leave-a7105116.html

 

A Survation poll estimates over 1 million people would change their vote from Leave to Remain which would swing it, but then there are the people that would switch the other way an estimated 696,000 so it would make it closer but not actually change the result, if those figures are accurate.

 

I think 55% either way would have made it clear, I would support a second referendum because so many people seem to have changed their mind, I would also support a second referendum when we actually have some sort of exit strategy in place, some clear idea of what is going to happen to the EU migrants, what is going to happen with the trade deals and the movement of godds and the freedom of movement, what sort of controls we will have on our border, what will happen to the thousands of British citizens living in the EU, what will happen to Scotland and NI.

 

 

What will happen if we stay in the EU? What will happen if Turkey joins too? What will happen if Sturgeon becomes a nun? What will happen if life is found on Mars?. The referendum wasn't University Challenge. It was simple, straightforward and convincingly won by "Leave".

 

What matters now is to get on with making the changes and solving the various problems those changes will inevitably throw up. It's a bit like paraplegic science really. It's the problems that inspire the solutions. You don't get the solutions first. 

[ozleicester]

Wheres the option for, "it doesnt matter which way i vote, the government and big business are just taking the piss"

[James.]

What an absolute cluster fk this is. It really should never have even gone to a referendum. We elect politicians for the very reason that we are not equipped to make these sort of decisions in an informed way.

 

So I would not support another referendum but I would support any attempt to stay in the EU. My fear was always that a vote for leave gave a voice to hate and division and so far that is exactly what has happened. Our country is broken.

[Strokes]

One thing both sides of the vote should unite against, is the hatred that has been on display and stop attempting to use it as a point that the others were wrong. We can disagree on the EU but surely we can agree on this? I refuse to accept that because I voted in the same way as a few racist morons, I am somehow racist. We can't let it divide us and why should we. Racism was despicable before the referendum and it still is now.

[Captain...]

Tossing up another thought grenade here, should we have a referendum on joining EFTA if it was offered up by the EU?

 

If we joined EFTA, had freedom of movement and labour and trade but lower contributions to the EU, still had amicable ties with EU, were still part of the ECJ and ECHR but kept greater levels of sovereignty, were no part of the Eurozone and I would expect not be involved in bail outs. Would that satisfy the majority of Brexiteers? Would those that voted to leave accept that as a decision from our new PM/Parliament without a referendum?

 

Should I do another Poll? I would expect a lot of Bremainers to be happy/ok with joining EFTA, the main issue for most of the Bremainers I know is freedom of movement and work and greater co-operative ties with the EU over scientific and environmental factors.

[Strokes]

Tossing up another thought grenade here, should we have a referendum on joining EFTA if it was offered up by the EU?

 

If we joined EFTA, had freedom of movement and labour and trade but lower contributions to the EU, still had amicable ties with EU, were still part of the ECJ and ECHR but kept greater levels of sovereignty, were no part of the Eurozone and I would expect not be involved in bail outs. Would that satisfy the majority of Brexiteers? Would those that voted to leave accept that as a decision from our new PM/Parliament without a referendum?

 

Should I do another Poll? I would expect a lot of Bremainers to be happy/ok with joining EFTA, the main issue for most of the Bremainers I know is freedom of movement and work and greater co-operative ties with the EU over scientific and environmental factors.

I would begrudgingly accept it, far from being ideal. If we were able to then seek our own trade deals, it would give us much more confidence and less pain to remove ourselves further, should we wish or be forced too.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Not really an option for me on here. I voted Remain, yet I'm not sure what position the country should take.

For a start, without a qualified majority, doesn't this vote actually tell us that the country essentially didn't know the answer to the question?

I also have issues with the way the arguments were presented, because it is now looks likely that a lot of people on the 'winning' side might not see their primary motive for voting that way actually come to realisation.

I also feel that if over time there is evidence that the nations narrow decision is having disastrous consequences it would be foolish to hold politicans to a decision from a referendum that was pondering unknowns.

However, I'm also well aware that any attempt to u-turn from a public decision would be a troubled and difficult road - not only domestically, but within the EU too. We wouldn't get the rebate for example!

[Guest MattP]

Nearly 30% of people polled would ignore the biggest mandate for a vote in history.

 

I fear for the future, we already are seeing society move away from free speech and civil liberties, surely we can't move away from democracy as well? Good luck with the fallout if you do, if people can't get what they want via the ballot box, they'll resort to bullets and bombs.

[Strokes]

Nearly 30% of people polled would ignore the biggest mandate for a vote in history.

 

I fear for the future, we already are seeing society move away from free speech and civil liberties, surely we can't move away from democracy as well? Good luck with the fallout if you do, if people can't get what they want via the ballot box, they'll resort to bullets and bombs.

If they support the EU it's hardly surprising they aren't big on democracy.

[Guest MattP]

If they support the EU it's hardly surprising they aren't big on democracy.

 

Fair point

[leicsmac]

Nearly 30% of people polled would ignore the biggest mandate for a vote in history.

 

I fear for the future, we already are seeing society move away from free speech and civil liberties, surely we can't move away from democracy as well? Good luck with the fallout if you do, if people can't get what they want via the ballot box, they'll resort to bullets and bombs.

 

I fear for the future too, for a slightly different reason. Views seem to be becoming more and more polarised - why, I'm not sure. This whole sorry mess has highlighted that.

 

The amount of bad feeling on either side is staggering - and yes, when people feel subverted and feel resentment towards the 'other' that way that they can't rectify at the ballot box, then violence does tend to be the result.

[Webbo]

I fear for the future too, for a slightly different reason. Views seem to be becoming more and more polarised - why, I'm not sure. This whole sorry mess has highlighted that.

 

The amount of bad feeling on either side is staggering - and yes, when people feel subverted and feel resentment towards the 'other' that way that they can't rectify at the ballot box, then violence does tend to be the result.

Tbf 1 side is resentful because they didn't get their own way in a democratic vote the other side are resentful because they are constantly being call thick racists.

[leicsmac]

Tbf 1 side is resentful because they didn't get their own way in a democratic vote the other side are resentful because they are constantly being call thick racists.

 

Right, and as always the truth of the matter is more nuanced.

 

As I've said multiple times on here already...the actual result of the vote doesn't bother me - direct democracy is exactly what it says on the tin. The differences that it highlights and the deep divisions that it has brought into the spotlight, however, do.

 

There seems to be precious little centre ground.

[Captain...]

Tbf 1 side is resentful because they didn't get their own way in a democratic vote the other side are resentful because they are constantly being call thick racists.

 

Nobody in this thread is calling anyone a thick racist.

 

1 side is resentful because no choice was offered only reality vs possibility, and it is very aware it is going to take years for the possibility to be reality and when that possibility becomes reality there are going to be a lot of people who voted out that are going to be disappointed with the reality of it. In the meantime everyone will suffer through the uncertainty to end up with something that the majority don't want.

[Strokes]

Nobody in this thread is calling anyone a thick racist.

 

1 side is resentful because no choice was offered only reality vs possibility, and it is very aware it is going to take years for the possibility to be reality and when that possibility becomes reality there are going to be a lot of people who voted out that are going to be disappointed with the reality of it. In the meantime everyone will suffer through the uncertainty to end up with something that the majority don't want.

That daz*dsb has done it in every other thread though.

[lifted*fox]

That daz*dsb has done it in every other thread though.

 

There's plenty of thick racists that voted Leave but at no point have I said EVERYONE that voted Leave is a thick racist.

 

Are you looking for a date or something? You can't seem to stop talking about me right now. Slightly worrying tbh. 

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

Spent a decent amount of time watching Juncker, Farage and the other parliament clowns yesterday.

 

We all know that despite raising a few points and being a reasonably articulate communicator Farage now need to shut the f up, the guys has got what he wanted now he is saying how HE will govern.... barking.

 

I didn't realise what a total prat Juncker comes across as and his statements and actions seem to prove this.

 

I actually think he was on a mission for the UK to leave the EU as we represented a challenge and didn't always tow the line.

 

The Idiots statement of take it or leave it and they'll be no coming back + you have had as many concessions as you will get, rather than the obvious to keep the voters sweet.

 

Despite me voting stay its looking more likely that he did us a favour, we cant be part of a superstate dictated to. Many growing economies in the world to trade with, many of EU are shrinking.