Nigel persons escape plan 3-5-2?

[Jimmy]

1 minute ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Chop his ball's off. 

 

Him getting himself out of position was the big issue imo which caused or at least aided three out of the 4 Liverpool goals. 

 

Fvck knows what he was thinking. He did it pre season in America as well at least once. 

yeah a mate was critical of Fuchs for Lallana having that much space on his goal but Fuchs had gotten dragged over to beyond the penalty spot to make a covering challenge, I think Fuchs has looked worse due to Wes going walkabout and the entire defence is then disorganised

[Fox92]

Maybe it's because Kante made them look better than what they are?? .. Having a World Class defensive midfielder covering you and winning the ball back for you and suddenly that's gone??

[Jimmy]

Just now, Fox92 said:

Maybe it's because Kante made them look better than what they are?? .. Having a World Class defensive midfielder covering you and winning the ball back for you and suddenly that's gone??

Morgan wasn't going walkabout last season either

[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Maybe it's because Kante made them look better than what they are?? .. Having a World Class defensive midfielder covering you and winning the ball back for you and suddenly that's gone??

Kante was a massive assistance obviously,  and I agree it is more difficult, but the defence has to go back to playing it simple. 

 

Our two central defenders need to to be stopping people coming through the middle of the pitch 18 - 25 yards from goal, as opposed to holding a high line where they can get done for pace (particularly Huth). Running out of position into the midfield and leaving a yawning space for all and sundry to run into like Wes was doing is schoolboy stuff. I cannot believe that is a tactic he's been instructed to use by CR.

 

 

[Fox92]

3 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Kante was a massive assistance obviously,  and I agree it is more difficult, but the defence has to go back to playing it simple. 

 

Our two central defenders need to to be stopping people coming through the middle of the pitch 18 - 25 yards from goal, as opposed to holding a high line where they can get done for pace (particularly Huth). Running out of position into the midfield and leaving a yawning space for all and sundry to run into like Wes was doing is schoolboy stuff. I cannot believe that is a tactic he's been instructed to use by CR.

 

 

Oh totally. I agree with both your and Jimmy's posts.

 

You could see Amartey leave  the runner as well, for their first goal and Morgan pushing up which is something I didn't notice untill it was picked out on Goals on Sunday.

 

I just think we should have invested more in the two centre back positions over the summer, even more so with Kante leaving. Three aging 30+ centre backs isn't inspiring for me.

[Jimmy]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Oh totally. I agree with both your and Jimmy's posts.

 

You could see Amartey leave  the runner as well, for their first goal and Morgan pushing up which is something I didn't notice untill it was picked out on Goals on Sunday.

 

I just think we should have invested more in the two centre back positions over the summer, even more so with Kante leaving. Three aging 30+ centre backs isn't inspiring for me.

If Morgan gets injured or banned I can see Hernandez keeping the place

[potter3]

17 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

The most obvious issues are a) we're very limited in central midfield, even having 2 players in 'Kante's' position we're lacking quality behind Drinkwater (Mendy could help when he's fit again but Amartey and King don't fill me with confidence) and b) generally you need wingbacks who are willing to track back in that formation and Mahrez is not going to do that. Who did we play there under Pearson? De Laet? Mahrez was played centrally then.

 

Albrighton was RWB, Schlupp on the left.

 

 

9 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Izzy is spot on again. Quality players win football matches, not systems. The way you set up is important, but secondary. We've lost a player of real quality in his position, and not replaced him (unless Mendy comes good).

Simple.

Pretty irrelevant now that the window's closed. The system has to fit the players at the manager's disposal, and at the minute it looks like we don't have the personnel to continue playing just two in central midfield.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

Morgan wasn't going walkabout last season either

Probably because Kante was exceptional at tracking/stopping the opposition players running from deep, and we simply didn't do that on Saturday. Not saying Morgan should be doing what he's doing but it's different circumstances.

[Old Fox]

Personally I think the formation is a bit of an excuse .....

 

Yes we miss you know who but who wouldn't however the rest of the team are disorganised and definitely not competing like we did last season - could be fitness or sharpness??

 

Pre-season was carnage with the travel and the opponents, average transfer window, no quality defenders signed and a midfielder light, Top 6 Clubs have all massively strengthened and we played at a peak for all of the second half of the season with some players having no breaks at all. The defence is an ageing defence who as yet have not hit their straps at all whilst Wes has played football for 2 years solid....all excuses or factors but facts none the less.

 

I think we all expected a come down from last season but I think Claudio will have been disappointed by some of the leaders not getting off to a great start ....Mahrez, Vards, Morgan, Huth have all been below their best and maybe some of those won't hit those heights again.....

 

I still feel we have enough to be mid-table but having seen Chelsea, City, Utd, Spuds, Arsenal and Arsenal I do think that we may need another couple of transfer windows to close the gap further.

 

Hopefully the myriad of attacking players can be integrated into an effective unit away from home but actual work rate and desire are ingredients that we need from all 11 and apart from spells against Swansea and Arsenal I think we have been a way of the level we would expect.

 

I think we will be good at home and maybe away will be more challenging until Claudio decides how to set the team up but hopefully we get the team organisation and work rate back ASAP as for me that was the biggest concern!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[promised land]

Pearson needs an escape plan himself at the minute. 

[Jimmy]

4 minutes ago, potter3 said:

Albrighton was RWB, Schlupp on the left.

 

 

Pretty irrelevant now that the window's closed. The system has to fit the players at the manager's disposal, and at the minute it looks like we don't have the personnel to continue playing just two in central midfield.

 

 

Probably because Kante was exceptional at tracking/stopping the opposition players running from deep, and we simply didn't do that on Saturday. Not saying Morgan should be doing what he's doing but it's different circumstances.

yeah I know why he was doing it but he shouldn't be he should be telling Amartey where he needs him to go

[Jimmy]

2 minutes ago, promised land said:

Pearson needs an escape plan himself at the minute. 

he's got one, it involves being paid a lot of money to go home

[lgfualol]

18 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

If Morgan gets injured or banned I can see Hernandez keeping the place

Let's hope Hernandez is that good for us. Atm I dont think we have an CB capable of taking a spot from Morgan and Huth which is another error we made in the Summer. 

[potter3]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

yeah I know why he was doing it but he shouldn't be he should be telling Amartey where he needs him to go

 

Perhaps he was, I just don't think Amartey is good enough at this stage to do what Kante did in a 2 man midfield, and it exposes our defence.

[Jimmy]

32 minutes ago, potter3 said:

 

Perhaps he was, I just don't think Amartey is good enough at this stage to do what Kante did in a 2 man midfield, and it exposes our defence.

I doubt he was I have noticed that it's Huth that seems to be the defensive leader

[Bluetintedspecs]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I do think it's valid to raise questions and offer solutions (I understand CR won't be looking on here for answers btw) when we've gone from a very mean defensive unit to one which has looked shit in two out of 4 games and conceeded 6 goals in the process.

 

It is a forum after all for discussion.

 

Things don't stay the same I'm affraid and this team appears to need to an adjustment since we've lost one of the best midfielders in the world.

 

 

I'm all for debate and constructive criticism Mr Dyche,  I just don't agree with OTT kneejerk reaction when, let's face it, replacing Kante and finding the right combinations and formations may take a little time!

[NotTheMarketLeader]

5 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

I'm all for debate and constructive criticism Mr Dyche,  I just don't agree with OTT kneejerk reaction when, let's face it, replacing Kante and finding the right combinations and formations may take a little time!

Agreed. 

And maybe many many more pound notes. 

[foxes21]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

You could see Amartey leave  the runner as well, for their first goal and Morgan pushing up which is something I didn't notice untill it was picked out on Goals on Sunday.

Also, Morgan charged out for the second goal trying to apply pressure to the attacker that Amartey should have been pressing.

 

Last season our tactic was to push teams out wide, instantly pressuring anyone that tried to come through the middle. Hence Morgan rushing forward, applying the same tactic. However, Morgan/Huth didn't have to do that last season, as our midfield was always in position, which Amartey wasn't for the first two goals. 

 

Also our wingers played very narrow when off-the-ball, to help with pressing anyone that tried to come trough the middle. That's another reason we could cope with only 2 CM's last season, Albrighton, Shinji & Mahrez would help Drinkwater/Kante flood the middle of the park. It wasn't just Kante. It was our whole midfield, flooding the center & pushing teams out wide.

 

Unfortunately this didn't happen Vs Liverpool & Amartey not holding his position resulted in Morgan's unnecessary press which left us open.