Nigel persons escape plan 3-5-2?

[dorsetboy]

sorry but i keep seeing formations and teams without slimani 

 

claudio will not have a 30 million pound star striker on the bench he will play as will vardy so i think any formation will have to include both ?

[Tielemans63]

Ain't no person like a Nigel person 

[Bunyip]

4 hours ago, TheMightySystem said:

Do we really need 15 threads which all talk about the same thing?

You do realize the irony of contributing to them don't you ?

[Kitchandro]

Well I wouldn't have a problem dropping our full backs at the moment. Fuchs has looked unfit at best, Simpson is injured and Hernandez isn't one.

 

We may need two players in the middle to make up for Kante alone and Drinkwater should be allowed to contribute further forward.

 

I didn't want us to have to change the system this early into our title defence but it's clear we have to compensate for losing Kante and this is the most obvious option.

I wouldn't be sad to see us line up like this in the next match:

 

 

------------------------------------------------------------------Schmeichel-----------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------Wasliewski------------Morgan------------Huth---------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------Amartey-----------King/James(?)-----------------------------------------

-----------------------Mahrez------------------------------------Drinkwater--------------------------Albrighton------------------

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Slimani--------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------Vardy------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

The most obvious issues are a) we're very limited in central midfield, even having 2 players in 'Kante's' position we're lacking quality behind Drinkwater (Mendy could help when he's fit again but Amartey and King don't fill me with confidence) and b) generally you need wingbacks who are willing to track back in that formation and Mahrez is not going to do that. Who did we play there under Pearson? De Laet? Mahrez was played centrally then.

 

Is James nearing fitness? He's been out a long while but we may need him now, at least until January.

[Bluetintedspecs]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

You might not have been talking to me but you seem to come across as we can't criticize. We were diabolic yesterday, they deserve all the criticism for such a poor performance.

You can criticise all you want fella, your perogative, carrying the burden of all that angst and negativity must way heavy on you and I get that! 

I disagree with your overt negativity, my opinion and perogative too.

I personally think you need to be realistic and patient but that patently is not going to happen! 

 

[TheMightySystem]

21 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

You do realize the irony of contributing to them don't you ?

Better to contribute when it is 15 rather then 16 but I get your point

[Dawko]

3-4-3 is the way to go

 

Schmeichel

Morgan Huth Was

Simpson Drinkwater Mendy Fuchs

Mahrez Vardy Slimani

 

or something like that

[shailen]

We don't necessarily need a formation. We need to work on a mentality. The reason we were so good last season was because everyone knew each others game. Sit deep, win the ball back and spread it long into the channels, was a major weapon for us. Teams have figured this out about us, hence why we can't use it to the same effect. 

 

Point is we can do this as a 4-4-2 as easily as a 5-3-2. Formations these days are not rigid anyway and its usually only applies off the ball. I'd like us to maybe try play a little bit more patient football because no team is going to leave space behind given our reputation now, and its likely we will have to be more patient in games.

[lcfcben76]

52 minutes ago, Dawko said:

3-4-3 is the way to go

 

Schmeichel

Morgan Huth Was

Simpson Drinkwater Mendy Fuchs

Mahrez Vardy Slimani

 

or something like that

Nah not having none of that, Simpson is a defended through and through we would have no attacking treat from that wing in particular and would be more like a back 5 as opposed to a 3 at the back with wing backs getting up and down

 

also slimani on the wing?? Or Vardy for that matter?? Slimani is a target man who feeds off crosses, imho with that formation we would get no where near enough good crosses in for him to feed off even if he was the main striker with Vardy on the wing

[PhillippaT]

25 minutes ago, lcfcben76 said:

Nah not having none of that, Simpson is a defended through and through we would have no attacking treat from that wing in particular and would be more like a back 5 as opposed to a 3 at the back with wing backs getting up and down

 

also slimani on the wing?? Or Vardy for that matter?? Slimani is a target man who feeds off crosses, imho with that formation we would get no where near enough good crosses in for him to feed off even if he was the main striker with Vardy on the wing

I agree with this sentiment.  3-4-3 could work for the A-team, but I'd have Albrighton on the right instead of Simpson, and Mahrez in behind Vardy And Slimani.  How well that would work compared to Okazaki there, instead, I don't know.

 

What B-team would it leave?

 

EDIT: I might aswell try and answer that question, right?

 

Let's see (Hope I get the formatting right):

 

                  Zieler

Simpson Hernandez Chilwell

Gray King Amartey Kapustka

                Okazaki

              Ulloa Musa

 

EDIT2: I have to admit, I'm not entirely convinced about the B-team's defence, how good are they at defending crosses compared to Huth/Morgan? :-/

 

TBH, considering how often we seem to let the opposition get their crosses in, even with a back-4, maybe 3-4-3, or 3-5-2 really is now the best option (without Kante)?

[eblair]

Cant believe no one mentioned playing schlupp in 352, his perfect position, i think simpson and fuchs are fantastic but right now 442 is just not working. Playing 352 cant see any better players in the country suited to playing wing back than albrighton and schlupp, also frees up mahrez to be well mahrez

viva 352

[WigstonWanderer]

4 hours ago, BigWesMorgan said:

 

You mean the side he's played on for 2 years?

I don't think Mahrez would make a good wing back. His tracking back is better than it was, but that would be a step too far.

[jaqo88]

3-5-2 is the way forward

[Guest Col city fan]

Izzy is spot on again. Quality players win football matches, not systems. The way you set up is important, but secondary. We've lost a player of real quality in his position, and not replaced him (unless Mendy comes good).

Simple.

[Fox92]

10 hours ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

You can criticise all you want fella, your perogative, carrying the burden of all that angst and negativity must way heavy on you and I get that! 

I disagree with your overt negativity, my opinion and perogative too.

I personally think you need to be realistic and patient but that patently is not going to happen! 

 

Agree... And yes I've calmed a bit now... Onto Wednesday!

[Fox92]

So we've spent all this money on Kapuska, Slimani, Musa and now we're totally changing to a formation that won't fit them in? 

 

As I said before the attacking third wasn't the issue it was about getting in a quality midfielder and improving the defence. Kitch posted a three above of Wasyl, Huth, Morgan - all aging 30+ centre backs - the defence really needed looking at.

[irishmenfox]

               Schmeichel  

 

         Morgan Huth  Fuchs

 

Albrighton Mendy    Drink water   Schlupp 

 

                       Mahrez

 

                 Vardy   Slimani

 

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

So we've spent all this money on Kapuska, Slimani, Musa and now we're totally changing to a formation that won't fit them in? 

 

As I said before the attacking third wasn't the issue it was about getting in a quality midfielder and improving the defence. Kitch posted a three above of Wasyl, Huth, Morgan - all aging 30+ centre backs - the defence really needed looking at.

 

Worried as to where Musa will fit in. Has many attributes of Vardy but our high huff ball and teams sussing us have made one Vardy not as effective let alone two, can't see them playing together. Musa will hopefully adjust and may be useful as a left winger but didn't run with or without the ball yesterday- his qualities? Be 4th/ 5th choice there for me based on Sat. 

 

Ulloa did himself a lot of credit and game called out for him, in the same fashion I'm putting a lot of hope in Slimani

[PhillippaT]

12 hours ago, eblair said:

Cant believe no one mentioned playing schlupp in 352, his perfect position, i think simpson and fuchs are fantastic but right now 442 is just not working. Playing 352 cant see any better players in the country suited to playing wing back than albrighton and schlupp, also frees up mahrez to be well mahrez

viva 352

I thought about using him instead of Kaputska, but then thought that he'd be better coming off the bench (when the opposition are tied out?)

[foxy boxing]

4 2 31 seems to be the flavour of the month with teams at the moment but claudio obviously prefers 4 4 2 cannot see claudi going for the formation that saved us from relagation, he prefers two central defenders rather than three and more width with the full backs 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

19 hours ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

I'm going to start a thread titled Kneejerk; then this and the other 300 that have appeared since yesterday can be amalgamated in one large negative shitstorm.

I do think it's valid to raise questions and offer solutions (I understand CR won't be looking on here for answers btw) when we've gone from a very mean defensive unit to one which has looked shit in two out of 4 games and conceeded 6 goals in the process.

 

It is a forum after all for discussion.

 

Things don't stay the same I'm affraid and this team appears to need to an adjustment since we've lost one of the best midfielders in the world.

 

 

[Jimmy]

Keeper

 

Hernandez Huth Morgan

 

Albrighton Drinkwater Amartey Mendy Schlupp

 

Slimani Vardy

 

and if we can be more attacking in a game bring Gray/Mahrez/Kapustka in for Amartey and have them further forward, not seen enough of Chilwell to decide if he would be a better bet as a wingback than Schlupp

[NotTheMarketLeader]

18 hours ago, dylanlegend said:

We certainly have the players for it, I also think the 4-2-3-1 would suit us with the players we have maybe away from home:

 

Kasper

 

Simpson

Morgan

Huth

Fuchs

 

Drinkwater

Mendy

 

Musa

Mahrez

Schlupp

 

Vardy

Schlupp injured, Mendy injured, Simpson injured, Mahrez in a daze, Musa in the short game time he has had looks scared to shoot and incapable of making a 5 yard pass. 

 

Apart from that, Morgan wanting to play the Kante role - running out of defence into midfield against all previous form, Kasper running out of his goal wanting to play in defence like Wes used to.

 

I think this formation could work 

[Jimmy]

2 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Schlupp injured, Mendy injured, Simpson injured Mahrez in a daze, Musa in the short game time he has had looks scared to shoot and incapable of making a 5 yard pass. 

 

Apart from that, Morgan wanting to play the Kante role - running out of defence against all previous form. 

 

I think this could work.

I thought I saw Wes doing that more often, you do wonder if he is doing that on instruction or if not what Claudio will do to stop it

[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 minute ago, Jimmy said:

I thought I saw Wes doing that more often, you do wonder if he is doing that on instruction or if not what Claudio will do to stop it

Chop his ball's off. 

 

Him getting himself out of position was the big issue imo which caused or at least aided three out of the 4 Liverpool goals. 

 

Fvck knows what he was thinking. He did it pre season in America as well at least once.