Merging Cultures Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 If you really want to know why how far you live matters, it's because im investigating how the strength of the local fanbase affects a teams financial power (y)I believe that just 5% of the club's revenue over the last few years was from gate receipts. There would be less from merchandise and other fan related revenues.Financial power is based on how much the owners want to contribute and how well the PL negotiate with broadcasters and sponsors.Perhaps you can expand on your hypothesis?
Merging Cultures Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 The respondents who have been polite I have been polite to back - research aims are to find out what extent the Geographical location of a club has on its success in the Premier league - I've tried to reply to explain it when asked, I'm happy to answer any more questions anyone has!Big city, bigger fan base [local and international], more revenue from sponsorship = higher likelihood of a rich owner.More money = higher likelihood of success.That's a pretty well defined formula. It does get disrupted once in a while. Money grabbing owner, good player procurement, etc which you identified.Distance from ground doesn't have any effect.
James123 Posted 11 October 2016 Author Posted 11 October 2016 8 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said: He is doing a degree on how we won the league? The wonders never cease, do they... degree in geography - dissertation in the effect Geography has on a team's chances of winning the league (Y)
James123 Posted 11 October 2016 Author Posted 11 October 2016 20 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said: Big city, bigger fan base [local and international], more revenue from sponsorship = higher likelihood of a rich owner. More money = higher likelihood of success. That's a pretty well defined formula. It does get disrupted once in a while. Money grabbing owner, good player procurement, etc which you identified. Distance from ground doesn't have any effect. It does have an effect - its to do with spatial monopolies - to what extent Leicester's fans come from very near to the ground or more spread out - If the club is able to attract a large amount of fans from all around the country then this would mean that the size of the city has nothing to do with it (y) - thought I'd just clear up the theory behind it
James123 Posted 11 October 2016 Author Posted 11 October 2016 34 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said: I believe that just 5% of the club's revenue over the last few years was from gate receipts. There would be less from merchandise and other fan related revenues. Financial power is based on how much the owners want to contribute and how well the PL negotiate with broadcasters and sponsors. Perhaps you can expand on your hypothesis? It changes depending on the club - Arsenal for example have their largest revenue stream coming from Gate receipts (also the largest in European football)
Jon the Hat Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 27 minutes ago, James123 said: It does have an effect - its to do with spatial monopolies - to what extent Leicester's fans come from very near to the ground or more spread out - If the club is able to attract a large amount of fans from all around the country then this would mean that the size of the city has nothing to do with it (y) - thought I'd just clear up the theory behind it Historically revenue streams would have been almost entirely gate receipts and owner funding, and that you could assert as more closely to city size. Over time higher revenues = greater success, and that means a bigger / wider fanbase. I don't think you could conclude therefore that the size of city has nothing to do with it without taking into account these factors on historical success. Also some cities have exported their fans all over the place, for example Liverpool.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 32 minutes ago, James123 said: It changes depending on the club - Arsenal for example have their largest revenue stream coming from Gate receipts (also the largest in European football) Yes but that's not due only to the number of of fans they get thru the turnstiles. It's due also to their pricing strategy. Ie. The most expensive tickets in world football. Leicester's gate receipt revenue would be much greater if we charged 100 quid for a game! You're trying to pin down so many extraneous variables it'll be difficult I guess.
foxinsocks Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 James there are a few different issues here..... 1. why did Leicester win.... I have written before that this was a conjunction of things that circumstance and randomness brought together: e.g. besides the early success of the counter attacking style the previous season it became more extreme under a new manager (yet the sacking of the old one - for whatever reason - allowed us to be in this position)... the sports science reduced injuries and made for a settled sides (as did a lack of other quad options!).. the team was super fit..... lcfc had benefited from good owners... the new manager played his cards well to keep the owners and player focused...etc etc... all this before we even discuss the form of the players (....the points in their careers) and the lack of form of other pl teams.... I think you have to look for a conjunction of things - you can't just have a poll of the top reasons. The support of the fans was a key factor esp on match days... away and at home. But you are asking a different question... 2. Where do our fans come from and did this matter? It is interesting to look at how the revenues for clubs like lcfc have changed (now much more tv driven than driven by gate receipts - but how did this help or hinder the league win? I suspect little. Stoke or Watford may be similar yet they didn't win. So yes analyse the size and constituents of the fan base and see if or how it has changed... but I think this is not connected to question 1.
James123 Posted 11 October 2016 Author Posted 11 October 2016 4 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Historically revenue streams would have been almost entirely gate receipts and owner funding, and that you could assert as more closely to city size. Over time higher revenues = greater success, and that means a bigger / wider fanbase. I don't think you could conclude therefore that the size of city has nothing to do with it without taking into account these factors on historical success. Also some cities have exported their fans all over the place, for example Liverpool. 3 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: James there are a few different issues here..... 1. why did Leicester win.... I have written before that this was a conjunction of things that circumstance and randomness brought together: e.g. besides the early success of the counter attacking style the previous season it became more extreme under a new manager (yet the sacking of the old one - for whatever reason - allowed us to be in this position)... the sports science reduced injuries and made for a settled sides (as did a lack of other quad options!).. the team was super fit..... lcfc had benefited from good owners... the new manager played his cards well to keep the owners and player focused...etc etc... all this before we even discuss the form of the players (....the points in their careers) and the lack of form of other pl teams.... I think you have to look for a conjunction of things - you can't just have a poll of the top reasons. The support of the fans was a key factor esp on match days... away and at home. But you are asking a different question... 2. Where do our fans come from and did this matter? It is interesting to look at how the revenues for clubs like lcfc have changed (now much more tv driven than driven by gate receipts - but how did this help or hinder the league win? I suspect little. Stoke or Watford may be similar yet they didn't win. So yes analyse the size and constituents of the fan base and see if or how it has changed... but I think this is not connected to question 1. My hypothesis is that it helped very little - which is why Leicester are so different to every other premier league winning side apart from Blackburn
James123 Posted 11 October 2016 Author Posted 11 October 2016 18 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Yes but that's not due only to the number of of fans they get thru the turnstiles. It's due also to their pricing strategy. Ie. The most expensive tickets in world football. Leicester's gate receipt revenue would be much greater if we charged 100 quid for a game! You're trying to pin down so many extraneous variables it'll be difficult I guess. This is what a monopoly is though - when you can increase the price of tickets whilst profits still increase
KFS Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 There are some gaping questions here- my dissertation lecturer would be having a fit over this rationale. How on earth have you managed to intertwine Geography, football and fandom into something that has been approved by your Uni? Your title must be bloody long...
Merging Cultures Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 Leicester have much more of a 'spatial monopoly' than Arsenal do. Arsenal's ability to have high gate receipts is a function of their high price per game and large stadium which was built based on historic success, which in turn was achieved due to a large population living close to the stadium, in the largest city in the UK, which allowed for higher attendances, a larger fanbase, larger sponsorship deals and richer owners. Leicester have a monopoly over Leicestershire, and much of the east midlands. Yet, because we haven't had the historic riches that comes from being in a large City, we haven't been able to capitalise on that. It is only now that we have a degree of excess demand for matchday tickets, hence why our revenue will be heavily skewed towards TV, sponsors and owners equity.
Mark_w Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 Just now, KFS said: How on earth have you managed to intertwine Geography, football and fandom into something that has been approved by your Uni? Sounds reasonable enough to me.
foxes21 Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 poor guy just wants answers for his questionnaire instead, he's got people telling him how to write his dissertation welcome to foxes talk
James123 Posted 11 October 2016 Author Posted 11 October 2016 2 minutes ago, foxes21 said: poor guy just wants answers for his questionnaire instead, he's got people telling him how to write his dissertation welcome to foxes talk Thanks so much mate!!! - appreciate the interest though everyone!!!
smudgerfox Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 Most,if not all, Leicester fans I know have some tangible and recent connection with the city or the county or at the very least the region. We are not afflicted by glory hunters of the so-called "big four" who usually woke up one day, decided they needed to support a football team and opted for the fashionable team of the day. The glory hunters differ in a few respects - 1) they don't "feel" their club as deeply as we do because they don't really understand failure (look at Arsenal fans last season practically assuming a right to the title) and 2) they don't "feel" it as deeply as we do because it isn't so engrained in their wider culture - i think of my late dad every time I go - he first took me when I was five - and my late uncle who rekindled my love when it was threatening to flag. At key stages last season, this deep bond between fans and club, between a group of hard-working, unspoilt, unpretentious set of players and fans which prize these qualities - was decisive, In games we were losing (which we came back to win or draw), in games we were struggling to win, we never gave up hope we would win and often we did - Norwich (h) being the clearest example. Everyone knew this might be a once-in-a-lifetime experience and everyone said quietly to themselves I'm going do all I can to make it happen. And if that means noisily waving a piece of flimsy cardboard to create a positive atmosphere I'll do it. If it means learning the words to the Leonardo Ulloa song I'll do it. So the tightness of the fanbase does make a difference - we don't have too many "family days out" supporters who've saved for two years to go to the one home match they can get tickets for (Hull or summat similar), as they have at Old Trafford, or London weekenders looking for something to do after they've been to see Elton John at Hyde Park and the Science Museum (Emirates), we have 32,000 (and a bit more) who love the club,as part of their DNA, love the city (ditto), love the players, love the manager. I'm not sure how a mathematical model will get you to that - but for me if the support was integral to the achievement, that is why. I should add that I'm told that Leicester are now the best supported side in Algeria - largely as a result of love for Mahrez. The way in which individual players can affect foreign support. seems to be a much more fruitful line of academic curiosity.
Mezeker Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 52 minutes ago, James123 said: This is what a monopoly is though - when you can increase the price of tickets whilst profits still increase i thought it was just inelastic demand.
98foxes Posted 11 October 2016 Posted 11 October 2016 On 10.10.2016 at 12:58, James123 said: Hey everyone, I'm researching for my dissertation which is on how Leicester won the league last season. I need some data, so If as many people as possible could answer the following questionnaire, I would be very grateful!!! 1) How many home games did you attend last season? 0 2) How many away games did you attend last season? 0 3) How long have you been a Foxes Fan? 54 years 4) How far do you live from the King Power Germany 5) Why do you support the Foxes? A – Location...born in Leicester B – Parents 6) What was the main reason Leicester won the league? A – Style of Play B – Purchase of players C – Choice of manager D – Objective Intentions of the owner E – Weakness of other teams in the league F – Little Rotation of Squad A bit of all these played a part..... 7) What would you say the value of Riyad Mahrez and Jamie Vardy are respectively? Hard to say, and not really my business!!!
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