AKCJ Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 How to stop Leicester City in 3 steps. 1) Defend 10 yards deeper than you normally would. 2) Stick an aggressive marker on Mahrez. Tell him to flatten Riyad in the first minute. 3) Stick a pest on Drinkwater. Don't let him play a pass without a challenge.
Countryfox Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: How to stop Leicester City in 3 steps. 1) Defend 10 yards deeper than you normally would. 2) Stick an aggressive marker on Mahrez. Tell him to flatten Riyad in the first minute. 3) Stick a pest on Drinkwater. Don't let him play a pass without a challenge. I just hope for your sake Mr AKCJ that the Brugge manager isn't reading this !! .... or you'll be in trouble.
AKCJ Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 I can't remember a Leicester player being so good at home but so ****ing abysmal away as Amartey. He ran the show against Swansea, Burnley and Porto. I do think that people forget that he's 21 and clearly has immense potential.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 32 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Stats are meaningless without context. This one particularly when you consider that With Kanté: 267 interceptions. Without Kanté: 174 (12 games) With Kanté: 22.9 tackles per game (whole season). Without Kanté: 16.7 (so far) That made you win the games. The interception and tackles stats are not telling us, what happened after the tackle/the interception. In the case of a tackle we don't even know, if it was a successful one, or if it perhaps resulted in a penalty for the other team. Therefore these two stats, that are very much en vogue right now, are rather meaningless.
Guest bennytwohats Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 12 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: The interception and tackles stats are not telling us, what happened after the tackle/the interception. In the case of a tackle we don't even know, if it was a successful one, or if it perhaps resulted in a penalty for the other team. Therefore these two stats, that are very much en vogue right now, are rather meaningless. They're absolutely not meaningless. If you look at where those interceptions and tackles took place, many of them were right up the pitch. For a counter attacking side having to only counter half the length of the pitch vs the whole of the pitch is huge. If you also look at the amount of long arial balls we play this season vs the shorter passes along the floor last season I think you have your answer. Kante's work is missed in defence AND attack. The goals conceded point falls out in the wash. This season it is because of the midfield, last season it is because of De Laet and Schlupp. At this point last season those goals conceded were about the drop dramatically. This season I'm not convinced that they will.
Kitchandro Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 21 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: The interception and tackles stats are not telling us, what happened after the tackle/the interception. In the case of a tackle we don't even know, if it was a successful one, or if it perhaps resulted in a penalty for the other team. Therefore these two stats, that are very much en vogue right now, are rather meaningless. So are you saying Amartey is as good as Kante?
Kitchandro Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 21 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I can't remember a Leicester player being so good at home but so ****ing abysmal away as Amartey. He ran the show against Swansea, Burnley and Porto. I do think that people forget that he's 21 and clearly has immense potential. I'd suggest his statistics suggest he isn't doing an awful lot at home either. Swansea was promising but I haven't been impressed with him since. It's away when we really need the influence of someone in his position anyway. The matches follow a different pattern at home and he's not punished as much for doing bugger all.
Kitchandro Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 That article makes some very fair points but I'm adamant it's the work rate which is the huge difference. People have forgotten we've actually won some games this season and the difference in those was the desire. It's no coincidence we've excelled in the Champions League whilst suffered in the majority of league games. It's attitude, it massively affects your ability to implement whatever system it is you're playing.
Guest bennytwohats Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 Just now, Kitchandro said: That article makes some very fair points but I'm adamant it's the work rate which is the huge difference. People have forgotten we've actually won some games this season and the difference in those was the desire. It's no coincidence we've excelled in the Champions League whilst suffered in the majority of league games. It's attitude, it massively affects your ability to implement whatever system it is you're playing. Interesting isn't it. For me the massive elephant in the room is that we haven't actually played very well in the Champions League. Both Copenhagen games I thought we were poor. We were helped by facing a team that were absolutely appalling in front of goal. The attacking threat we offered in both of those games was next to nothing. I feel that there is probably a fair point in there about us making fewer individual defensive errors in the Champions League. Another thing the article doesn't seem to acknowledge is that Fuchs, Huth and Morgan's performances have had a notable dip compared to last year, in the league particularly.
ZeGuy Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 40 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: That article makes some very fair points but I'm adamant it's the work rate which is the huge difference. People have forgotten we've actually won some games this season and the difference in those was the desire. It's no coincidence we've excelled in the Champions League whilst suffered in the majority of league games. It's attitude, it massively affects your ability to implement whatever system it is you're playing. They're shell shocked. None of them (or us) could have imagined that it would go so bad in such a short time. They're playing in a formation which brought them to the top of the league and is now completely inefficient. A major cog was taken out and the whole machine doesn't work anymore. The incredibly tough away fixtures (at one point I seriously thought it was rigged so what happened last year will never ever happen again) and the repetition of crushing defeats have definitely something to do with it too. A lot of people, full of schadensfreude, are taking the piss because of the bad results and the players in the spotlights. And let's be real, the CL group is definitely one of the easiest I've ever seen. Two of the teams would hardly make it to the Premier League and the third one is a pale shadow of what they used to be. The players still have to win the matches and they did alright, no question, but you can't compare those to the insane fixtures schedule in september/october. I think there isn' a single player who's happy about the situation or simply not caring about the team. I think they're as much hurt as the fans. The hang-over after winning the league certainly played a role and maybe took away a bit of the desire, but I find it harsh to say they're not committed.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 22 November 2016 Author Posted 22 November 2016 3 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Interresting analysis. But there is one little problem, the journalist seems to have overlooked: last season, with Kante, we conceded in the first 12 games exactly as many goals as this season. Not a single goal less. 20 last season. 20 this season. 20 with Kante. 20 without Kante. ??? Umm. However we had almost twice as many points?
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 22 November 2016 Author Posted 22 November 2016 1 hour ago, Kitchandro said: That article makes some very fair points but I'm adamant it's the work rate which is the huge difference. People have forgotten we've actually won some games this season and the difference in those was the desire. It's no coincidence we've excelled in the Champions League whilst suffered in the majority of league games. It's attitude, it massively affects your ability to implement whatever system it is you're playing. This.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 22 November 2016 Author Posted 22 November 2016 2 hours ago, AKCJ said: I can't remember a Leicester player being so good at home but so ****ing abysmal away as Amartey. He ran the show against Swansea, Burnley and Porto. I do think that people forget that he's 21 and clearly has immense potential. Sorry I cannot go with this. He played well against Swansea and better in those other games than the ones where he has been awful. I won't have it said he 'ran the show' - that's totally over egging it. Aside from not tracking runners he will not make a positive forward pass or run with it which is exactly what's required as opposed to abdicating responsibility to Drinky as much as possible. We we all wish he was bloody brilliant, but saying it and wishing for it, doesnt make it true at present unfortunately. His age doesn't help us now. Any player has to pull his weight / produce no matter what age he is - there is no place for 'passengers' in a PL midfield, and often both he and King can be accurately described as such.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 22 November 2016 Author Posted 22 November 2016 1 hour ago, ZeGuy said: They're shell shocked. None of them (or us) could have imagined that it would go so bad in such a short time. They're playing in a formation which brought them to the top of the league and is now completely inefficient. A major cog was taken out and the whole machine doesn't work anymore. The incredibly tough away fixtures (at one point I seriously thought it was rigged so what happened last year will never ever happen again) and the repetition of crushing defeats have definitely something to do with it too. A lot of people, full of schadensfreude, are taking the piss because of the bad results and the players in the spotlights. And let's be real, the CL group is definitely one of the easiest I've ever seen. Two of the teams would hardly make it to the Premier League and the third one is a pale shadow of what they used to be. The players still have to win the matches and they did alright, no question, but you can't compare those to the insane fixtures schedule in september/october. I think there isn' a single player who's happy about the situation or simply not caring about the team. I think they're as much hurt as the fans. The hang-over after winning the league certainly played a role and maybe took away a bit of the desire, but I find it harsh to say they're not committed. Simply compare our closing down of the opposition from many a kick off last season, to this. It's chalk and cheese. Now look at Liverpool this season - their tactics in this respect are what ours were last season. It's no coincidence they are performing well using a high pressing game - its a nightmare to play against. Thats a major difference. Why we have jettisoned this ploy I am at a loss to understand.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 39 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Sorry I cannot go with this. He played well against Swansea and better in those other games than the ones where he has been awful. I won't have it said he 'ran the show' - that's totally over egging it. Aside from not tracking runners he will not make a positive forward pass or run with it which is exactly what's required as opposed to abdicating responsibility to Drinky as much as possible. We we all wish he was bloody brilliant, but saying it and wishing for it, doesnt make it true at present unfortunately. His age doesn't help us now. Any player has to pull his weight / produce no matter what age he is - there is no place for 'passengers' in a PL midfield, and often both he and King can be accurately described as such. All we keep hearing about Amartey is 'potential, potential, potential' Keep up like this and we're 'potentially' gonna fook the league campaign right up. As a strong believer in midfields running games, I'm so pissed off that ours can go from brilliant last season, to naff this season. It needed to be addressed. I'm a fan of stats, but you don't need them to see that Amartey is running around like a headless chicken. I have no idea why King was dropped for Watford...all I can presume is that it was for tonight?
RonnieTodger Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 Cant really argue with that. He's actually been very kind about our European performances too.
Wymsey Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 10 minutes ago, Col city fan said: All we keep hearing about Amartey is 'potential, potential, potential' Keep up like this and we're 'potentially' gonna fook the league campaign right up. As a strong believer in midfields running games, I'm so pissed off that ours can go from brilliant last season, to naff this season. It needed to be addressed. I'm a fan of stats, but you don't need them to see that Amartey is running around like a headless chicken. I have no idea why King was dropped for Watford...all I can presume is that it was for tonight? In his career he hasn't really played an awful amount of games. He's no Cambiasso (plenty of games before coming to us obviously), yet his experience before hand helped him become instrumental in our survival season under Pearson. Amartey unfortunately may well need more time to become more of a dominant force in midfield, but the club have signed him for a reason in that he's highly-rated and also once he understands and addresses his weaknesses complimented with what he's good at already - we will see the best of him at some point. May well have to be a case of playing average before becoming reliable in the long-term.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 1 minute ago, Wymeswold fox said: In his career he hasn't really played an awful amount of games. He's no Cambiasso (plenty of games before coming to us obviously), yet his experience before hand helped him become instrumental in our survival season under Pearson. Amartey unfortunately may well need more time to become more of a dominant force in midfield, but the club have signed him for a reason in that he's highly-rated and also once he understands and addresses his weaknesses complimented with what he's good at already - we will see the best of him at some point. May well have to be a case of playing average before becoming reliable in the long-term. I've said time over...EITHER play him at centre back OR get three in midfield. He is no box to box CM playing in a 442. Whether it's his age, game time or whatever, he does not look anywhere near good enough to play in this role. Don't take my word for it, read the article. I am flabbergasted that Ranieri keeps on doing this. For all those posters stating 'give Claudio a job for life', ask him why he is persisting with these tactics and players away from home? I don't get it? It is literally like Ranieri doesn't give a shite about the league...seeing avoiding relegation as the target. Maybe that's it? It would explain why he keeps on employing the same tactics.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 22 November 2016 Posted 22 November 2016 29 minutes ago, Col city fan said: It is literally like Ranieri doesn't give a shite about the league...seeing avoiding relegation as the target. Just a thought. Could it be, that the owners told Ranieri to give priority to the CL? In the end, he too is only an employee.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 November 2016 Author Posted 23 November 2016 15 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Just a thought. Could it be, that the owners told Ranieri to give priority to the CL? In the end, he too is only an employee. I think that is what has happened - Claudio is doing what he has been told to do by Vic / Top.
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