Can some people get a grip

[Bluefox22]

I will never forget the man for what we achieved last season, Champions of England I never ever thought I would see or say that, thanks for the memories CR. That said something was very wrong this season. From day 1 (losing to Dull city) we have not had the drive. passion of the Leicester of last season. At first I like most thought that the players were playing billy big bollocks with their new contracts and BMW's but the more I watched (home & away) the more it seemed that a rifted was growing between the manager & players! I said it November that CR had lost the dressing room and confused the squad with all the changes he made to all aspects of the playing side of the club, tactics, training regimes, formations, playing out of form players & playing players out of position etc etc etc, even down to not allowing the players to have chicken on the menu at training ground! (reportedly) If we look at his record this season it is SHITE, Won 5, drew 5 lost 15, 17th 1 point above the bottom 3, not scored a prem goal since December come on lets get real!! if we hadn't won the title last season he would have been gone before Christmas. THIS IS A BUSINESS & if you don't perform you are out just like any other business. As I have said before the name on the back of the shirt is not bigger than the badge on the front, same with the manager. I will always remember CR, fond & warm memories that the achievements of last season provided but I want my/our club to go forward & Iam sorry to say that CR was not the man to do that at this time. Good Luck CR & thank you. Now lets get behind OUR team & stay in the prem where we belong COYB!! always a fox

[Guest Lako42]

15 minutes ago, uragomper said:

It is my opinion pal. We will see what happens but can't you see the bitterness swirling around our club?

It may send us down.

The players will send us down. 

 

We will get relegated on the pitch, over 90 minutes per game.

 

The fans who have shown great patience this season are so many millions of miles away from blame .

[easilee]

1 hour ago, uragomper said:

Ranieri's heart felt statement while very sad is in my opinion a calculated attempt to stir further sh1t amongst staff and fans.

It is a very emotional statement playing on the heart strings of many understandably, but the reaction from some of our fans, media pundits, other clubs fans is way OTT.

Some of our fans have got to look ahead the financial implications of being relegated cannot be under estimated, so some of you stop crying like babies he had to go, grow a pair and get behind the team or the bitterness surrounding our club will in itself send us down.

 

 

Big business is a harsh environment granted. No room for sentiment. But these players have been playing God with fans' hard earned money by serving up this dross.

Should have fúcked them off rather than CR.

At least TRY to retain a modicum of normal human decency.

I'll be glad when Vardy, Mahrez and any other shlts who decided they would allow fans to pay good money week in, week out and play like ar5eholes, are left on the bench for someone better.

[Webbo]

Football may be a business, but my club are more than that to me. Last season was the greatest in our history and I lived every moment of it. We achieved things I never thought possible and the whole world enjoyed it with us. 

 

Now the architect of that triumph has been sacked and that's made me a little sad. If some people have a problem with, tough shit. Don't tell me what I'm supposed to feel.

[Renart]

54 minutes ago, bennytwohats said:

Amazing how many of you value the financial strength of the club over things such as loyalty and respect.

 

i don't even mean that as a dig, or being pointed at anyone. But I've seen it so much on here over the past few weeks that it does seem to be what is guiding many people's wishes.

 

Are we supporting a sports team or a business?

 

I just can't buy in to a success at all costs narrative. The club has to have principles

 

I am not even sure that this move is a 'good business decision' or a good football decision. That is not to ignore the problems on the field. I have said before that I am anti-changing of managers in the way that modern football does. There is no clear evidence one-way-or-another that it works. Sometimes it does and others it doesn't. So, if you are the board of this club you look at it and say, 'do we pull the trigger or not'? 50/50 it will get us the desired result. And then you look at the fall out from what you might do and think about the impact on your brand. Now, for any other manager you might say 'ok, it is worth the risk', but in this case - with what happened last year and the regard that CR is held in - you would be daft not to have predicted this. 

 

Now, you are in a situation where the brand has taken a beating and the team itself might not be any better off. I hope that this is not the case because if we go down now after sacking him I think the impact on us could be more difficult to take than if we went down with him. I also think that for a team that has shown that it cannot take the pressure of being in a dog fight it isn't suddenly guaranteed that we will put in performances. The pressure will be even more. And it is a different type of pressure from the last two seasons where, on both occasions, we created the narrative of 'having nothing to lose'. This team has everything to lose. 

 

This is not a discussion of the flaws of an already bad season - I am not blinkered to the problems - but surely the decision must have been made from a business perspective to improve the situation and I truly do not see how this has been achieved. From the perspective of the club having principles - I completely agree with the above, but on this occasion I truly believe that this is a situation where the two coalesce and tell you that being a principled club is also to run a good business. It is a bad decision for the football club and a very risky decision for LCFC as a football business. 

[fazzyfox]

It makes the coverage very lopsided, naturally his statement is broadly published and I don't see it as anything other than his genuine feelings. However the redress that won't happen is to sit him down and ask the list of questions he should have been answering whilst still in the job. I can't claim to have seen every press conference or regional news interview but questions about the lack of pressing, are you telling them not to press high this season, why are we willingly conceding the territory between half way and the edge of our box to the opposition, so many half time and early substitutions, keeping players in the side despite woeful form, have you tried to use a sports psychologist to discuss why we capitulate in those away games where 0-1 quickly becomes 0-3 or 0-4, disrespecting the F.A.Cup and the travelling fans, what is Musa, no really, WHAT is Musa, has training changed, has this affected the amount of injuries, are the players carrying out your instructions to your satisfaction, do you give the players enough time to adapt to new formations / line-ups and many more. 

[ozvaldo]

I know it's sad and everyone liked him as a character.  I heard some woman in the shop say "it's like when Princess Diana died" - a bit OTT.

 

People can bang on about loyalty but I don't get it.  It was his 2nd season in charge and we're getting battered every week.  If it continued, we'd get relegated.  For me it's that black and white.  Can you honestly see Ranieri getting this club motivated to get promoted again?  For me, it would be like having Sven again.

 

It is a shame, but it's life.  The length of his time with us is also not too dissimilar to the average time he has spent at most the other clubs he's managed.

 

I'd have given him until the end of the season, but I was already ready for relegation.  Now, I feel a touch of optimism that we'll find someone to motivate this group and keep our club in the Prem.  (You'd have thought the money would get these lot motivated, clearly not.) - but that's a different story.

 

Monday night needs to be ****ing buzzing.

 

Its the the start of a mini season.  ****ing come onnnnn!!!!!  

[easilee]

I wonder if the players found out that CR was gone in the second half of the Seville game!

[Volpe Viola]

Letting Claudio go is the right decision for everyone. For him he won't have the embarrassment of relegation for the club theyve got a chance to avoid it. The club was going in one direction. It's always sad when someone loses their job but no one is bigger than the club. The king is dead long live the king. Be a bit disappointed though if they haven't got anyone already lined up. 

[Renart]

30 minutes ago, uragomper said:

 We will see what happens but can't you see the bitterness swirling around our club?

It may send us down.

This is my point. As business people, the owners should have factored this into the decision. 

 

1) Stay up with Ranieri - Great.

2) Sack Ranieri and stay up - Brand is going to take a hit but we retain our Premier league status.

3) Go down with Ranieri - Not great but the brand is less damaged as the club is held up to have acted responsibly and with principle.

4) Sack Ranieri and go down - Disaster for club and brand (in these circumstances I can see the owners walking away).

 

Fingers crossed, but I have to say it is quite a risk to be taking with our football club. And I do not think that the odds of us surviving have improved - I hope that I am proved wrong. And if I am proved wrong then I think that the club still loses.

 

[Guest bennytwohats]

33 minutes ago, Renart said:

 

I am not even sure that this move is a 'good business decision' or a good football decision. That is not to ignore the problems on the field. I have said before that I am anti-changing of managers in the way that modern football does. There is no clear evidence one-way-or-another that it works. Sometimes it does and others it doesn't. So, if you are the board of this club you look at it and say, 'do we pull the trigger or not'? 50/50 it will get us the desired result. And then you look at the fall out from what you might do and think about the impact on your brand. Now, for any other manager you might say 'ok, it is worth the risk', but in this case - with what happened last year and the regard that CR is held in - you would be daft not to have predicted this. 

 

Now, you are in a situation where the brand has taken a beating and the team itself might not be any better off. I hope that this is not the case because if we go down now after sacking him I think the impact on us could be more difficult to take than if we went down with him. I also think that for a team that has shown that it cannot take the pressure of being in a dog fight it isn't suddenly guaranteed that we will put in performances. The pressure will be even more. And it is a different type of pressure from the last two seasons where, on both occasions, we created the narrative of 'having nothing to lose'. This team has everything to lose. 

 

This is not a discussion of the flaws of an already bad season - I am not blinkered to the problems - but surely the decision must have been made from a business perspective to improve the situation and I truly do not see how this has been achieved. From the perspective of the club having principles - I completely agree with the above, but on this occasion I truly believe that this is a situation where the two coalesce and tell you that being a principled club is also to run a good business. It is a bad decision for the football club and a very risky decision for LCFC as a football business. 

Great post. Very astute.

 

The reputational damage that brand LCFC has done this week is huge. As fans we can say we don't care (I'm not ashamed to admit that I do), but you can guarantee the owners do. I wonder if they are having regrets given the scale of the backlash?

 

Get the right appointment and stay up and we might be okay. As you say, go down after losing the moral high ground and it could be a nightmare.

 

I just wonder if that's sank in for the players yet either as well. If they turn this around they look bad for the performances up to now. If they don't then they will look bad for taking us down. You've seen the views of managers this week who have all derided the decision. All of our players now have black marks against their names and I wonder if that will hurt their prospects in the future.

 

Part of me hopes this alone will motivate them to turn the ship around. Part of me can't bear the thought of contributing my hard earned cash to go and watch such a bunch of self serving mercenaries (which would be hard to deny if the above plays out).

[erlee]

19 hours ago, Renart said:

This is my point. As business people, the owners should have factored this into the decision. 

 

1) Stay up with Ranieri - Great.

2) Sack Ranieri and stay up - Brand is going to take a hit but we retain our Premier league status.

3) Go down with Ranieri - Not great but the brand is less damaged as the club is held up to have acted responsibly and with principle.

4) Sack Ranieri and go down - Disaster for club and brand (in these circumstances I can see the owners walking away).

 

Fingers crossed, but I have to say it is quite a risk to be taking with our football club. And I do not think that the odds of us surviving have improved - I hope that I am proved wrong. And if I am proved wrong then I think that the club still loses.

 

 

1} Great but not likely given the state of unrest with key players

2} You can gauge the likelihood after monday. i would say 33% chance - given there are 2 factions in the unrest?

3} Highly Likely

4} see #2

 

High risk & it's now all in the hands of those revolting players. Shakey's just an inconsequential appointment. And whoever comes in after Shakey will have less than ~10 games to get a grip.

 

Whatever the best scenario is for the club to survive the drop & then owners sort out the misfit players

 

 

[joachim1965]

1 hour ago, Ted Maul said:

Whatever the aftermath of the sacking throws up, it's done now. He's gone. 

 

We've got a fresh start, and we need to capitalise. We need to be loud on Monday- chances are we'll be in the bottom 3 by then, and the team will need all the help it can get. I'm hoping a change in approach will give us a bit of an edge, and if we can get something against Liverpool it could change the mentality completely.

 

We need to draw a line in the sand- the season starts now.

Absolutely this 100%.

[erlee]

19 hours ago, joachim1965 said:

Absolutely this 100%.

100%?.. when you still have those problematic players..

[joachim1965]

Yes , he has gone now, get over it and move forward.

The season starts here.

[bridport007]

Your comments that we need to get a grip are really ridiculous. Are you trying to say that football fans should have no emotion? Were we wrong to shed tears of joy last season in that case? Wasn't last season all about emotion at times?

Yes football is a business, but it is only a business for those making money from it. Fans don't, and they are fans because of emotions and not pound notes. The amount of comments about this decision had to be made because football is a business are also questionable? After last season, LCFC became a known' business' all over the world, and with one decision to sack Claudio, that business has become one of the most hated business' in football.

 The problem is, Leicester looked to be different to everyone else last season. We appeared to have owners that were building a real footballing family, that against all odds rose to the top and into everyone's (apart from Spurs) hearts. We had owners that were loyal and seemed to appreciate the fans by giving them the odd treat such as a free beer for their loyalty. It now seems that our owners are no different. It now is obvious that it is all about the money, and with their 100% backing for Claudio recently....just before they sack him, shows their word to be just that...words.

Claudio deserved the chance to keep the team up. Admittedly that may not have happened, but we are far from sure of staying up with this decision? how people are calling for Shakespeare as the answer with no experience of management is beyond me. Claudio also deserved a chance to beat Saville in the 2nd leg, and it will not feel right with him not being there. Yes we may have gone down?....we probably still will? but personally, I'd have preferred that to have happened with CR still at the helm, because it's all about respect,morals, and doing the right thing by people.

So I'm sorry if you think I should get a grip, because I'm upset at the disgusting way we have treated a guy that gave me the best year of my life following football, but knowing it was good for business does not make me feel any better. 

 

[thursday_next]

4 hours ago, MattP said:

I'm sick of being told we need to do everything because of money or a "financial situation".

 

 

I hear that. But you're a right-wing political analyst, Matt. What makes you think that football is any different to any other situation? 

[Guest MattP]

8 minutes ago, thursday_next said:

I hear that. But you're a right-wing political analyst, Matt. What makes you think that football is any different to any other situation? 

Because in free markets you can choose another product. 

 

In football you pick a team for life, that's why it will always be different to an average business.

[uragomper]

31 minutes ago, bridport007 said:

Your comments that we need to get a grip are really ridiculous. Are you trying to say that football fans should have no emotion? Were we wrong to shed tears of joy last season in that case? Wasn't last season all about emotion at times?

Yes football is a business, but it is only a business for those making money from it. Fans don't, and they are fans because of emotions and not pound notes. The amount of comments about this decision had to be made because football is a business are also questionable? After last season, LCFC became a known' business' all over the world, and with one decision to sack Claudio, that business has become one of the most hated business' in football.

 The problem is, Leicester looked to be different to everyone else last season. We appeared to have owners that were building a real footballing family, that against all odds rose to the top and into everyone's (apart from Spurs) hearts. We had owners that were loyal and seemed to appreciate the fans by giving them the odd treat such as a free beer for their loyalty. It now seems that our owners are no different. It now is obvious that it is all about the money, and with their 100% backing for Claudio recently....just before they sack him, shows their word to be just that...words.

Claudio deserved the chance to keep the team up. Admittedly that may not have happened, but we are far from sure of staying up with this decision? how people are calling for Shakespeare as the answer with no experience of management is beyond me. Claudio also deserved a chance to beat Saville in the 2nd leg, and it will not feel right with him not being there. Yes we may have gone down?....we probably still will? but personally, I'd have preferred that to have happened with CR still at the helm, because it's all about respect,morals, and doing the right thing by people.

So I'm sorry if you think I should get a grip, because I'm upset at the disgusting way we have treated a guy that gave me the best year of my life following football, but knowing it was good for business does not make me feel any better. 

 

Sentimental OTT.

Ranieri had lost the players because he had changed the way we play.

[Foxxed]

He cried at the Sunderland game. He achieved his greatest success with us. He wanted to stay. The owners indicated when he joined they'd keep him no matter what.

 

Of course he's going to be emotional. Not everything that makes you feel bad is a calculated attack.

[bridport007]

Just now, uragomper said:

Sentimental OTT.

Ranieri had lost the players because he had changed the way we play.

Maybe?...We changed the way we played because, you can't press high up the pitch if your defenders can't run.

[thursday_next]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

In football you pick a team for life, that's why it will always be different to an average business.

That must be true of all sports, then. Finance and sports are inextricably linked. I wish that wasn't so, but it is. Football fans are just a means to an end. Would you really rather do without Sky or BT?   

[Al-aLondon-Foxile]

5 hours ago, goose2010 said:

And what says sacking him is going to stop us getting relegated, apart from rumours there is absolutely no statement to say there was any un rest, if we go down now it's no ones fault but the players 

Sacking hm may not keep us up, that is a fact. However, it's clear that something is badly wrong, and has been all season and showed no sign of changing, other than a brief glimpse against man city. No player is going to come out and say there's been internal unrest, not until they write their autobiographies anyway. To continue as we are and not react and change the boss would mean almost certain relegation in my opinion, so roll the dice and hope for the best. If we go down they'll all be to blame, and that'll include CR for his part in this season.