Guest Kopfkino Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: Whist true, unless she's voted against austerity and changes to the nhs my guess is thst you can also see my point. Besides which those nhs changes took away the health secretary's ability to influence commissioning (i would suggest so thr could try to use this as a political shield) so she presumably also wants him to act outside of his powers. No I see the point, I see how it might look to anyone looking for any excuse to criticise. It just shows the absolute pit that UK politics is in when an MP is criticised for doing exactly what they are paid to do. It is the Huff Post so it's not meant to be respectable journalism but I dismay at how desperately tribal it all is. Andrea Leasdom does her job and is doing something that I am sure the 'opposition' would support but let's have a go at her because she is blue and every blue action is very very bad.
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, KingGTF said: No I see the point, I see how it might look to anyone looking for any excuse to criticise. It just shows the absolute pit that UK politics is in when an MP is criticised for doing exactly what they are paid to do. It is the Huff Post so it's not meant to be respectable journalism but I dismay at how desperately tribal it all is. Andrea Leasdom does her job and is doing something that I am sure the 'opposition' would support but let's have a go at her because she is blue and every blue action is very very bad. I wonder why given their history https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/23/cabinet-ministers-councils-least-hit-budget-cuts https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/education/devastating-cuts-hit-schools-labour-seats/ Edited 24 August 2017 by Guest
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Specially for mattp, webbo, kinggtf and that fox bloke who I'm convinced isn't the full ticket. Evidence of socialism working. And it doesn't involve venezuela. No alternative to austerity? That lie has now been nailed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/austerity-lie-deep-cuts-economy-portugal-socialist?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Webbo Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Wow, Owen Jones disagrees with Tory policy? Thanks for letting us know. 1 2
Buce Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 45 minutes ago, Webbo said: Wow, Owen Jones disagrees with Tory policy? Thanks for letting us know. Funny reply, but it doesn't really gainsay the article.
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 44 minutes ago, Webbo said: Wow, Owen Jones disagrees with Tory policy? Thanks for letting us know. "I'll listen when somebody points to evidence if a country doing well with socialist policies." Has a country doing well with socialist policies pointed out to him. Doesn't want to consider whether there's any merit in that country's policies so seeks vapid reason not to bother.
Buce Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: "I'll listen when somebody points to evidence if a country doing well with socialist policies." Has a country doing well with socialist policies pointed out to him. Doesn't want to consider whether there's any merit in that country's policies so seeks vapid reason not to bother. It's Webbo. What did you expect? 1
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 4 minutes ago, Buce said: It's Webbo. What did you expect? Exactly that tbf
Strokes Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 20 minutes ago, toddybad said: "I'll listen when somebody points to evidence if a country doing well with socialist policies." Has a country doing well with socialist policies pointed out to him. Doesn't want to consider whether there's any merit in that country's policies so seeks vapid reason not to bother. Don't you think two years of spending sprees is a little early to be claiming victory? didnt the first four years under Chavez grow significantly? The rest as they say is history.
SMX11 Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: Don't you think two years of spending sprees is a little early to be claiming victory? didnt the first four years under Chavez grow significantly? The rest as they say is history. Precisely, sustainable growth cannot be brought about with spending sprees, far too much is malinvested and once the bank credit runs dry the bust come rather quickly afterwards, hence why the central bankers are continually using QE to keep the mirage going. 1
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 23 minutes ago, Strokes said: Don't you think two years of spending sprees is a little early to be claiming victory? didnt the first four years under Chavez grow significantly? The rest as they say is history. Well n what we've been doing for the last 7 years isn't working is it? Pound nervous as UK economy grows by 0.3% in second quarter - business live https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/aug/24/pound-dips-again-ahead-of-uk-gdp-figures-business-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Jeremy Cook, chief economist at WorldFirst: Consumption, the engine of UK growth for decades, looks like it is finally starting to slow in response to the reality that the post-EU referendum economy now faces. Consumers are tightening their belts in the face of higher prices and lower wage settlements while businesses, unable to protect margins given higher input costs, are holding back on investment as the nature of the UK’s trading relationships with the world is left in flux. The pound has slipped in response to today’s figures and the pressures that the UK economy is under are not dissipating anytime soon. We expect that we will be talking about a recession in 2018.
Strokes Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 18 minutes ago, toddybad said: Well n what we've been doing for the last 7 years isn't working is it? Pound nervous as UK economy grows by 0.3% in second quarter - business live https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/aug/24/pound-dips-again-ahead-of-uk-gdp-figures-business-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Personally I prefer a steady growth, to boom and bust. Each to their own.
Innovindil Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Everyone please remember when looking at the latest immigration figures that the reduction is due to us being racist, not the fact that the wages are now worth less back in the migrants home countries, because none of them send the money back home or anything like that.
Buce Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 minute ago, Innovindil said: Everyone please remember when looking at the latest immigration figures that the reduction is due to us being racist, not the fact that the wages are now worth less back in the migrants home countries, because none of them send the money back home or anything like that. We could also remember the Tories pledge to get it below 100,000. The new 'low figure' is 264,000.
Innovindil Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 minute ago, Buce said: We could also remember the Tories pledge to get it below 100,000. The new 'low figure' is 264,000. Ooooooh I got the perfect answer. We haven't left yet.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Well n what we've been doing for the last 7 years isn't working is it? Pound nervous as UK economy grows by 0.3% in second quarter - business live https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/aug/24/pound-dips-again-ahead-of-uk-gdp-figures-business-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard F uck growth Edited 24 August 2017 by BlueBrett
Guest Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Personally I prefer a steady growth, to boom and bust. Each to their own. Being just above recession isn't steady growth. Keep swallowing the tory bullsh1t my friend.
Strokes Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Being just above recession isn't steady growth. Keep swallowing the tory bullsh1t my friend. Ok.
Buce Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 hour ago, Innovindil said: Ooooooh I got the perfect answer. We haven't left yet. They've been promising it since waaaaay before the Brexit vote. Must try harder.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 4 hours ago, toddybad said: Specially for mattp, webbo, kinggtf and that fox bloke who I'm convinced isn't the full ticket. Evidence of socialism working. And it doesn't involve venezuela. No alternative to austerity? That lie has now been nailed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/austerity-lie-deep-cuts-economy-portugal-socialist?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard How has that lie been nailed? That article as usual from Owen Jones is complete and opinionated utter tripe. Good to see also you are still sticking to the gold ol socialist momentum mantra of having a go at my mental state. Very disappointing. Seamus Milne will be proud, keep it up and you will be parachuted into a labour safe seat. So what are the growth figures in Portugal, what are the unemployment figures, what is the current state of their public services. I'm willing to bet that they are nowhere near as good as our figures over the past 7 years, especially the employment. I'm pretty sure that the state hospitals in Portugal don't even come close to ours even with 7 years of the Tories killing the NHS and privatising it. Again the true results will be seen in another few years.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Being just above recession isn't steady growth. Keep swallowing the tory bullsh1t my friend. What is it then? Lets bring back Tax and Spend Public Debt boom and bust, Genius idea. Again I have suggested a fair idea in that everyone pays more tax may 1-3p per pound, but most people don't like that idea. We can not sustain an economy based on debt, if we want to pay for and sustain good public services with a growing, aging population we have two options, we expect less of we pay more. We can not have it for free. Despite comrade Corbyn and his unicorns. Edited 24 August 2017 by Foxin_mad
Buce Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 4 hours ago, toddybad said: Specially for mattp, webbo, kinggtf and that fox bloke who I'm convinced isn't the full ticket. Evidence of socialism working. And it doesn't involve venezuela. No alternative to austerity? That lie has now been nailed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/austerity-lie-deep-cuts-economy-portugal-socialist?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard 2 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: How has that lie been nailed? That article as usual from Owen Jones is complete and opinionated utter tripe. Good to see also you are still sticking to the gold ol socialist momentum mantra of having a go at my mental state. Very disappointing. Seamus Milne will be proud, keep it up and you will be parachuted into a labour safe seat. So what are the growth figures in Portugal, what are the unemployment figures, what is the current state of their public services. I'm willing to bet that they are nowhere near as good as our figures over the past 7 years, especially the employment. I'm pretty sure that the state hospitals in Portugal don't even come close to ours even with 7 years of the Tories killing the NHS and privatising it. Again the true results will be seen in another few years. I don't think he's having a go at your mental state, just your capacity for intellectual reasoning.
David Guiza Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Following a tweet from Richard Osman (I think!) and listening to a podcast from Richard Herring with Tim Minchin I would be interested to hear whom people follow/take an interest in from the opposition side of their political sphere. Tim Minchin made a really interesting and, I think, important point about the damaging effect that social media can place on our opinion. We surround ourselves with people's opinion who we know and trust and end up, inadvertently, pigeon holing ourselves into the views that we have and will always hold as a result. I've followed Guide Fawkes for quite a while now, more out of interest than anything else, and it is interesting to see their take on the likes of Corbyn, Owen Jones etc and the liberal left as a whole. Most of what they post I find completely imbalanced and at times ridiculous, as expected, but I don't think I would ever stop following.
Innovindil Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 27 minutes ago, Buce said: They've been promising it since waaaaay before the Brexit vote. Must try harder. These things take time. Just like balancing the books.
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