Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I don’t qualify as far as I am aware. If I do, I will most certainly be going.

Precisely. And to qualify you have to be in a crisis sitiation. More people now qualify.

You really do have some scummy views.

[Strokes]

Just now, ajthefox said:

They aren't, that's the problem.

There are definite cases of exploitation but I don’t think it’s a wholly governmental issue, the minimum wage, working tax credits and jobseekers allowances seem ok to me.

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

Precisely. And to qualify you have to be in a crisis sitiation. More people now qualify.

You really do have some scummy views.

Define the crisis.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I believe what I see, not what I read.

How exactly do you expect to SEE food bank use? Homelessness has demonstrably risen sharply so I can only assume you're not actually looking.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

There are definite cases of exploitation but I don’t think it’s a wholly governmental issue, the minimum wage, working tax credits and jobseekers allowances seem ok to me.

Tax credits and benefits have been falling. The worst off have been hardest hit by austerity as shown by every independent analysis that's been completed. 

 

I have to ask - what do you gain by dismissing quantitative studies and facts? The only thing you have to gain is the ability to hold your political views which imo explains why you do so.

[Buce]

3 minutes ago, toddybad said:

How exactly do you expect to SEE food bank use? Homelessness has demonstrably risen sharply so I can only assume you're not actually looking.

 

Isn't it odd that those in ivory towers see the least?

Edited 28 December 2017 by Buce

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, toddybad said:

How exactly do you expect to SEE food bank use? Homelessness has demonstrably risen sharply so I can only assume you're not actually looking.

I’m not seeking out misery toddy no, follow this thread and you for that.

[Strokes]

Just now, Buce said:

 

Isn't it odd that those in an ivory tower see the least?

I live on a council estate in a small town outside of Leicester, if this is an ivory tower I can’t wait for an upgrade.

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Tax credits and benefits have been falling. The worst off have been hardest hit by austerity as shown by every independent analysis that's been completed. 

 

I have to ask - what do you gain by dismissing quantitative studies and facts? The only thing you have to gain is the ability to hold your political views which imo explains why you do so.

I never said they had risen, I said they were sufficient.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I’m not seeking out misery toddy no, follow this thread and you for that.

Then how can you deny it exists when even a cursory search for some facts will show the truth?

[Buce]

Just now, Strokes said:

I live on a council estate in a small town outside of Leicester, if this is an ivory tower I can’t wait for an upgrade.

 

It's all relative, mate.

[Strokes]

Just now, Buce said:

 

It's all relative, mate.

Just like poverty eh?

[Strokes]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

Then how can you deny it exists when even a cursory search for some facts will show the truth?

You don’t have to look for things to see them, I don’t deny homelessness or that it’s a problem or that it’s increased. Quote me on it.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Just like poverty eh?

You've been cucked.

 

You want to see national debt reduced which is really the poor transferring wealth to the rich.

You are happy to see the rich get ever richer whilst happy to see the poor shafted.

You do realise that you're only a mistake or  some misfortune away from being the hardest hit? You'll never be in the elite.

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[Strokes]

Just now, toddybad said:

You've been cucked.

 

You want to see mational debt reduced which is really the poor transferring wealth to the rich.

So you say.

Just now, toddybad said:

You are happy to see the rich get ever richer whilst happy to see the poor shafted.

I haven’t said that, you are making things up again.

Just now, toddybad said:

You do realise that you're only a mistake or  some misfortune away from being the hardest hit? You'll never be in the elite.

Of course im aware of that, I’ve lost everything before. During the ‘global financial crisis’ my business went bust and I’m still rebuilding my life. I rebuilt my life by working two warehouse jobs until I could fund the qualification changes made in my industry to gain employment. Whilst having a pregnant wife and no home. Nobody helped me and I didn’t even have the benifit of being able to blame the tories.

[Buce]

15 minutes ago, Strokes said:

So you say.

I haven’t said that, you are making things up again.

Of course im aware of that, I’ve lost everything before. During the ‘global financial crisis’ my business went bust and I’m still rebuilding my life. I rebuilt my life by working two warehouse jobs until I could fund the qualification changes made in my industry to gain employment. Whilst having a pregnant wife and no home. Nobody helped me and I didn’t even have the benifit of being able to blame the tories.

 

That's very laudable, Strokes.

 

Do you mind if ask where you were living, if you had no home?

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Strokes said:

So you say.

I haven’t said that, you are making things up again.

Of course im aware of that, I’ve lost everything before. During the ‘global financial crisis’ my business went bust and I’m still rebuilding my life. I rebuilt my life by working two warehouse jobs until I could fund the qualification changes made in my industry to gain employment. Whilst having a pregnant wife and no home. Nobody helped me and I didn’t even have the benifit of being able to blame the tories.

And well done to you but of you've been in trouble before I don't understand why you're so dismissive of people's problems.

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[Strokes]

3 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

That's very laudable, Strokes.

 

Do you mind if ask where you were living, if you had no home?

On my dads sofa, whilst my wife moved in with her in laws.

 

As horrible as it sounds we were fortunate her nan died soon after and left her around £7000. With the money I had saved we were able to buy over here. We are desperate to get back over that way because childcare is holding us back here but it’s so expensive to buy in blaby/whetstone/narborough.

[Strokes]

7 minutes ago, toddybad said:

And well done to you but of you've been in trouble before I don't understand why you're so dismissive of people's problems.

I’m not dismissive of the problems, it’s the causes and solutions where we disagree.

[Guest]

Just now, Strokes said:

On my dads sofa, whilst my wife moved in with her in laws.

 

As horrible as it sounds we were fortunate her nan died soon after and left her around £7000. With the money I had saved we were able to buy over here. We are desperate to get back over that way because childcare is holding us back here but it’s so expensive to buy in blaby/whetstone/narborough.

So you must see that for those without parents who can give them that support that there's not a safety net?

 

 

[Guest]

Just now, Strokes said:

I’m not dismissive of the problems, it’s the causes and solutions where we disagree.

It is, I can't see us agreeing any time soon I fear.

[yorkie1999]

4 hours ago, Rogstanley said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42493529

 

Not really news to anyone following such things, but automation to widen wage inequality unless action is taken. Do the Tories on here really trust this government to make sure the benefits of automation are shared and not just concentrated in the hands of the few? Would you agree that old tory arguments about business profits being far more important than any other issue because business provides jobs are becoming increasingly redundant?

I honestly think that people who that come out with this sort of stuff are living 20 years behind the times. What can be automated that already hasn’t been automated in this country and in the quantity that requires automation

[Buce]

9 minutes ago, Strokes said:

On my dads sofa, whilst my wife moved in with her in laws.

 

As horrible as it sounds we were fortunate her nan died soon after and left her around £7000. With the money I had saved we were able to buy over here. We are desperate to get back over that way because childcare is holding us back here but it’s so expensive to buy in blaby/whetstone/narborough.

 

That's tough, and I have nothing but admiration for you for getting back on your feet, but it's slightly disingenuous to say you had no help, then.

 

Many people don't have even that option.

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

I'm living for now, because until a parent dies, I won't be able to buy (and yes, that makes me more fortunate than most, that it may even be possible), and I'm one misfortune away from being in deep trouble (as many of us probably are, in truth). I did once own homes, but the crash followed by a relationship that came to an amicable end, means I can only rent now. 

 

I expect some would say I should have stayed with my ex and kept the security, but that would have made us both very unhappy, I think. My life is at least honest now. What we currently have, politically and socially, isn't working, the future is quite scary.

[Guest]

People need to understand that quantitative easing is borrowing. This government has borrowed for qe which has inflated the markets and led to the rich getting an ever bigger proportion of wealth. At the same time it is cutting budgets from services needed by society at large. Tories have conned people into believing their myths about national debt and gotten away with it because the word debt makes it seem obvious that it is bad. Actually it's been a huge power and money grab by the rich that has left society and the vast majority of people worse off.

Edited 28 December 2017 by Guest