Webbo Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: Just console yourself in the knowledge that the Tories might retain the sheep but they won't win over new voters. Every year that passes sees tens of thousands of tory voters leave this mortal place and hundreds of thousands of young labour voters enter the fray. It's simply a matter of waiting. Rog doesn't like it when you act superior.
leicsmac Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Once environmental migration begins across the globe things are going to get very messy imho Sadly I agree with that. Resource distribution is going to have to get more efficient and quickly if things change - or things will end up going downhill pretty fast. For instance, a hypothetical: area covered by powerful nation becomes uninhabitable ---> other nations won't help ---> first nation incites military action to take other land ---> full-scale world war.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 14 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Sadly I agree with that. Resource distribution is going to have to get more efficient and quickly if things change - or things will end up going downhill pretty fast. For instance, a hypothetical: area covered by powerful nation becomes uninhabitable ---> other nations won't help ---> first nation incites military action to take other land ---> full-scale world war. I've long wondered whether the western alliances based on overwhelming military strength are being continuously strengthened in precisely this knowledge. We'll basically fight them back to their doom.
Buce Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 12 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Sadly I agree with that. Resource distribution is going to have to get more efficient and quickly if things change - or things will end up going downhill pretty fast. For instance, a hypothetical: area covered by powerful nation becomes uninhabitable ---> other nations won't help ---> first nation incites military action to take other land ---> full-scale world war. This is already on the cusp of happening (though not yet with a majorly powerful nation) in the Nile region; Ethiopia is currently completing the construction of a dam which will reduce the flow of the Blue Nile by a significant amount, and there are already rumblings that Egypt will react militarily.
leicsmac Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: I've long wondered whether the western alliances based on overwhelming military strength are being continuously strengthened in precisely this knowledge. We'll basically fight them back to their doom. It's a possibility. Why bother to attempt to mitigate the effects of climate change when you can beef up your military to ensure you'll be the only one to take advantage of the consequences? (Of course overlooking the idea that the change might be so drastic it consumes you anyway and the only thing you'll have won by beefing up your military is the honour of dying last.) 6 minutes ago, Buce said: This is already on the cusp of happening (though not yet with a majorly powerful nation) in the Nile region; Ethiopia is currently completing the construction of a dam which will reduce the flow of the Blue Nile by a significant amount, and there are already rumblings that Egypt will react militarily. It'll get really interesting when a nation armed with WMD of whatever type finds itself pressured in the same way.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 3 minutes ago, leicsmac said: It's a possibility. Why bother to attempt to mitigate the effects of climate change when you can beef up your military to ensure you'll be the only one to take advantage of the consequences? (Of course overlooking the idea that the change might be so drastic it consumes you anyway and the only thing you'll have won by beefing up your military is the honour of dying last.) It'll get really interesting when a nation armed with WMD of whatever type finds itself pressured in the same way. That really won't be interesting ?
leicsmac Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: That really won't be interesting ? Oh, it will. Just in a very dark way.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 1 hour ago, Webbo said: Rog doesn't like it when you act superior. I'm not acting webbo
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 Lord Adonis quits as Theresa May's infrastructure tsar over Brexit Labour peer resigns as chair of National Infrastructure Commission, claiming PM has become ‘voice of Ukip’ Andrew Adonis said Brexit was ‘a dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump’. Photograph: Yui Mok/PA Press Association Published:17:55 GMT+00:00 Fri 29 December 2017 Theresa May’s infrastructure tsar has quit, delivering a scathing verdict on the prime minister’s approach to Brexit. The Europhile Labour peer Lord Adonis resigned as chair of the National Infrastructure Commission, claiming May had become “the voice of Ukip” and the “extreme” right wing of her party. He said he was “duty bound” to oppose the government’s EU withdrawal bill when it comes to the House of Lords. National Infrastructure Commission spokeswoman confirmed that Adonis had written to the prime minister. In his resignation letter, reported by the Sun and the Daily Telegraph, he told the prime minister: “Brexit is a dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump. “After the narrow referendum vote for an undefined proposition to ‘leave the EU’, it could have been attempted without rupturing our essential European trade and political relations. “However, by becoming the voice of Ukip and the extreme nationalist right wing of your party, you have taken a different course, for which you have no parliamentary or popular mandate.”
Webbo Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 Kinda ironic to claim that the PM has no popular or parliamentary mandate when he's an appointed member of the house of lords.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: Kinda ironic to claim that the PM has no popular or parliamentary mandate when he's an appointed member of the house of lords. True. The lords is a funny one. On one hand it goes completely against the idea of democracy that an unelected chamber affects legislation. On the other, the lords has consistently shown itself to be a more fair - and frankly better - deciding making unit. Presumably precisely because they don't have to grandstand for votes and can get to the real heart of matters.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Adonis is a turd anyway He's not as shit as Brexit.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 16 minutes ago, toddybad said: He's not as shit as Brexit. Brexit is the best minor constitutional change ever.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: Brexit is the best minor constitutional change ever. It's not the size of the constitutional change that bothers me. It's the loss of hundreds of trade deals and the effect that will have on everyday people that bothers me.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 Richard Branson's Virgin healthcare firm scoops £1bn of NHS contracts https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/29/richard-branson-virgin-scoops-1bn-pounds-of-nhs-contracts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Guest Kopfkino Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 Yeah but Jeremy Corbyn is basically Scandinavia so like in Sweden 20% of hospitals and 30% of primary care will be privately run when he's PM, compared to 6% currently. Damned Labour ruining our great institution.
Guest Posted 29 December 2017 Posted 29 December 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Yeah but Jeremy Corbyn is basically Scandinavia so like in Sweden 20% of hospitals and 30% of primary care will be privately run when he's PM, compared to 6% currently. Damned Labour ruining our great institution. I'm not interested in Scandinavia and have never claimed to be. If we had private healthcare providers that weren't failing and leaving behind messes I'd be more sympathetic but somehow every privatisation in the UK seems to involve the worst of the private sector. Tories have taken the best health service we've ever had - certainly for decades - and trashed it in just 7 years. Edited 29 December 2017 by Guest
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 30 December 2017 Author Posted 30 December 2017 12 hours ago, toddybad said: Just console yourself in the knowledge that the Tories might retain the sheep but they won't win over new voters. Every year that passes sees tens of thousands of tory voters leave this mortal place and hundreds of thousands of young labour voters enter the fray. It's simply a matter of waiting. I'm pretty sure people were saying the same thing in the 80's / 90's - and that was post Thatcher. There is possibly an element of truth in the general notion you get more right wing as you get older.
Guest Posted 30 December 2017 Posted 30 December 2017 The state of the care industry. From the horse's mouth. http://careindustrynews.co.uk/2017/12/warning-that-tens-of-thousands-will-go-without-much-needed-care-and-support-in-2018/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
Rogstanley Posted 30 December 2017 Posted 30 December 2017 6 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: There is possibly an element of truth in the general notion you get more right wing as you get older. That may well have been true in the past but I don’t think it’s guaranteed to continue in the future. We’ve been through a period of rapid change and globalisation which has left some people feeling as though they’ve been left behind and yearning for things to go back to what they were. Nothing epitomises that better than the fact that some 10% of brexit voters want to see the return of shillings. But the current generation of younger people have grown up with rapid change as a constant in their lives, so they’re likely to be able to rationalise and handle continuing change better, without the panicked and desperate response we see of people moving to the right in an effort to put things back the way they were. Obviously while the tories continue to hand out the most expensive socialist pension offering they’ll sweep up a lot of those votes.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 30 December 2017 Posted 30 December 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/29/theresa-may-moves-cement-position-tory-leader-giving-top-honours/ we have a corrupt goverment, folks. She is without doubt the worst PM ever, even worse than appeaser Chamberlain and sociopathic Thatcher. At least you could say those two are competent in their evil.
ealingfox Posted 30 December 2017 Posted 30 December 2017 Nick Clegg Unbelievable - I thought it was a joke when I first heard it. 1
Rogstanley Posted 30 December 2017 Posted 30 December 2017 The honours list is basically now a 'years in service' award for politicians. It should of course be reserved for people who have actually contributed in a meaningful way to the wellbeing and enjoyment of society, but now you get one for being a slimy parasite politician for a few years. Devalues the whole thing. "Sir Nick Clegg"? Go bollocks you bunch of self serving wankstains.
bovril Posted 30 December 2017 Posted 30 December 2017 7 hours ago, ealingfox said: Nick Clegg Unbelievable - I thought it was a joke when I first heard it. I was going to say "isn't he embarrassed accepting it" but then I remembered it's Nick Clegg.
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