Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 Economists for Brexit - basically the one zealot economist leavers cling to - is the only economic forum predicting positive uk economic news following Brexit. But it also predicts that the wealthy will see all the benefits and that manufacturing will be wiped out. It'll be interesting to see what innovindil's political views are if in the future if his luck doesn't hold.
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 19 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: You what Manufacturing in the UK has been in steady decline for decades. Other countries do it much better than we do. But of course in Innovidnil's world you can't be skilled if you're a foreign. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/02/uk-manufacturing-growth-markitcips-pmi-december Awkward... Of course there are other countries that do it better than us. That doesn't mean we aren't good at it, if we weren't, all the manufacturing jobs would have long since left. Plenty of other places to open shop with cheaper labour available. Might need to ask why they haven't left. Don't listen to someone actually in the sector though, that'd be proper daft.
Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Innovindil said: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/02/uk-manufacturing-growth-markitcips-pmi-december Awkward... Of course there are other countries that do it better than us. That doesn't mean we aren't good at it, if we weren't, all the manufacturing jobs would have long since left. Plenty of other places to open shop with cheaper labour available. Might need to ask why they haven't left. Don't listen to someone actually in the sector though, that'd be proper daft. The pre-brexit figures aren't are all awkward. Fair enough re industry knowledge.
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 50 minutes ago, toddybad said: Economists for Brexit - basically the one zealot economist leavers cling to - is the only economic forum predicting positive uk economic news following Brexit. But it also predicts that the wealthy will see all the benefits and that manufacturing will be wiped out. It'll be interesting to see what innovindil's political views are if in the future if his luck doesn't hold. Clearly would get my begging bowl out and vote for jezza, not use any of the other skills i have to make a living.
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 hour ago, Innovindil said: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/02/uk-manufacturing-growth-markitcips-pmi-december Awkward... Of course there are other countries that do it better than us. That doesn't mean we aren't good at it, if we weren't, all the manufacturing jobs would have long since left. Plenty of other places to open shop with cheaper labour available. Might need to ask why they haven't left. Don't listen to someone actually in the sector though, that'd be proper daft. Very short term gains caused by the collapse in the pound (now easing in expectation of avoiding hard crash brexit) doesn't mask the overall trend going back decades.
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 5 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Very short term gains caused by the collapse in the pound (now easing in expectation of avoiding hard crash brexit) doesn't mask the overall trend going back decades. % of GVA =/= sector decline, just that other sectors are growing more. Despite the decline since the 1970s, when manufacturing contributed 25% of UK GDP, the UK is currently the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world. Overall, the UK’s industrial sector has increased by 1.4% a year since 1948, according to a recent report from the Office for National Statistics (ONS). The ONS attributes the sustained growth to a better quality; more skilled workforce; a shift in production from low to high productivity goods; improvements in automation and technology; increased investment in R&D, and a more integrated global economy. According to EEF, UK manufacturing currently: employs 2.7 million people contributes 10% of GVA accounts for 45% of total exports represents 68% of business research and development (R&D) provides 14% of business investment Upcoming UK events from The Manufacturer: The Manufacturer Connect: De-risk your IT investment – 28 February, Glasgow The Manufacturer Leaders Summit: Your digital manufacturing toolkit – 14-15 November, Liverpool The Manufacturer Smart Factory Expo: The UK’s biggest showcase of digital manufacturing – 14-15 November, Liverpool The Manufacturer Top 100 2018: Report launch – 14 November, Liverpool The Manufacturer MX Awards 2018: Gala Dinner and Awards Ceremony – 15 November, Liverpool Although the contribution of manufacturing to GDP has declined on paper, many of the services provided to manufacturers which would have once been considered part of manufacturing – such as catering; cleaning; building services, security and so on – are now allocated into different areas of the economy. However, those contributions are directly reliant on manufacturing for continued business and could actually be considered as a part of manufacturing’s GDP input. As such, many are calling for the true value of manufacturing to be recognised, a move which would see the widely cited figure of 10% of GVA almost doubling to 19%. https://www.themanufacturer.com/uk-manufacturing-statistics/
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 minute ago, Innovindil said: % of GVA =/= sector decline, just that other sectors are growing more. Despite the decline since the 1970s, when manufacturing contributed 25% of UK GDP, the UK is currently the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world. Overall, the UK’s industrial sector has increased by 1.4% a year since 1948, according to a recent report from the Office for National Statistics (ONS). The ONS attributes the sustained growth to a better quality; more skilled workforce; a shift in production from low to high productivity goods; improvements in automation and technology; increased investment in R&D, and a more integrated global economy. According to EEF, UK manufacturing currently: employs 2.7 million people contributes 10% of GVA accounts for 45% of total exports represents 68% of business research and development (R&D) provides 14% of business investment Upcoming UK events from The Manufacturer: The Manufacturer Connect: De-risk your IT investment – 28 February, Glasgow The Manufacturer Leaders Summit: Your digital manufacturing toolkit – 14-15 November, Liverpool The Manufacturer Smart Factory Expo: The UK’s biggest showcase of digital manufacturing – 14-15 November, Liverpool The Manufacturer Top 100 2018: Report launch – 14 November, Liverpool The Manufacturer MX Awards 2018: Gala Dinner and Awards Ceremony – 15 November, Liverpool Although the contribution of manufacturing to GDP has declined on paper, many of the services provided to manufacturers which would have once been considered part of manufacturing – such as catering; cleaning; building services, security and so on – are now allocated into different areas of the economy. However, those contributions are directly reliant on manufacturing for continued business and could actually be considered as a part of manufacturing’s GDP input. As such, many are calling for the true value of manufacturing to be recognised, a move which would see the widely cited figure of 10% of GVA almost doubling to 19%. https://www.themanufacturer.com/uk-manufacturing-statistics/ As I said, an industry in decline. I’d go further as well actually and say the decline is terminal. Even high tech manufacturing will be an AI and robotics lead industry soon. Low tech manufacturing is on its last legs. A dying industry.
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 minute ago, Rogstanley said: As I said, an industry in decline. I’d go further as well actually and say the decline is terminal. Even high tech manufacturing will be an AI and robotics lead industry soon. Low tech manufacturing is on its last legs. A dying industry. I'll let you know when I run out of work.
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 4 minutes ago, Innovindil said: I'll let you know when I run out of work. We’re all rooting for you
Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 After his anger about labour members voting for their local candidate, Matt will presumably be up in arms about this Tory HQ accused of plot to stop local parties picking candidates https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/tory-hq-accused-of-plot-to-stop-local-parties-picking-candidates?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Guest MattP Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 9 hours ago, toddybad said: After his anger about labour members voting for their local candidate, Matt will presumably be up in arms about this Tory HQ accused of plot to stop local parties picking candidates https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/tory-hq-accused-of-plot-to-stop-local-parties-picking-candidates?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Already have been, remember Daniel Hannan and Aldershot?
SMX11 Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 4 hours ago, MattP said: Already have been, remember Daniel Hannan and Aldershot? Yes, and David Campbell Bannerman. Vichy Ford got in easily enough though surprise surprise.
Guest MattP Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 After trying to charge white people more for an event in Loughborough Labour now face being investigated for barring straight white men from a conference. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-bans-straight-white-men-at-conference-qqklhfr3w Quote Labour is facing an inquiry from a watchdog after barring straight white men from an equalities conference. Those attending the Young Labour conference in March must self-define as one or more of: black, Asian and minority ethnic (Bame), a woman, disabled, and lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans (LGBT). A Conservative MP has referred the event to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission. Labour said that there was no point in straight white men attending because the conference’s aim was to elect equalities representatives. The issue comes weeks after the commission said that Labour was guilty of “unlawful discrimination” for offering Bame members discounted tickets to its East Midlands regional conference.
Carl the Llama Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 3 minutes ago, MattP said: After trying to charge white people more for an event in Loughborough Labour now face being investigated for barring straight white men from a conference. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-bans-straight-white-men-at-conference-qqklhfr3w Matt you're so 2000 and late today.
Rogstanley Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 1 hour ago, MattP said: After trying to charge white people more for an event in Loughborough Labour now face being investigated for barring straight white men from a conference. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-bans-straight-white-men-at-conference-qqklhfr3w Are there no straight white male disabled people then?
Guest Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, MattP said: After trying to charge white people more for an event in Loughborough Labour now face being investigated for barring straight white men from a conference. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-bans-straight-white-men-at-conference-qqklhfr3w But there's no problem with holding an event for a specific group of members. What a ridiculous headline. And how desperate are tory mps to be raising complaints? Edited 12 February 2018 by Guest
Sharpe's Fox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 1 hour ago, toddybad said: But there's no problem with holding an event for a specific group of members. What a ridiculous headline. And how desperate are tory mps to be raising complaints? The right will be complaining that bosses can’t vote on union ballots or you can’t enter Crufts if you aren’t a dog next. It’s a shame when the only thing they have to offer these days is outrage politics and eugenics, really
Sharpe's Fox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 Who said the Germans don’t have a sense of humour
Guest Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 Can anybody come up with a single good reason why they'd want to scrap nursing bursaries? It's like the Tories are daring the electorate to vote Labour http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/jeremy-hunt-under-fire-from-rcn-and-labour-hell-bent-on-cuts-student-bursary-equality-analysis-reveals-bame-mature-students-deterred_uk_5a81e6e6e4b08dfc9306c1b5/?3s=&__twitter_impression=true
Buce Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 44 minutes ago, toddybad said: Can anybody come up with a single good reason why they'd want to scrap nursing bursaries? It's like the Tories are daring the electorate to vote Labour http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/jeremy-hunt-under-fire-from-rcn-and-labour-hell-bent-on-cuts-student-bursary-equality-analysis-reveals-bame-mature-students-deterred_uk_5a81e6e6e4b08dfc9306c1b5/?3s=&__twitter_impression=true For the same reason they scrapped student grants and are doing their best to completely dismantle the welfare system - they have a pathological hatred of the working class.
Innovindil Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Can anybody come up with a single good reason why they'd want to scrap nursing bursaries? It's like the Tories are daring the electorate to vote Labour http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/jeremy-hunt-under-fire-from-rcn-and-labour-hell-bent-on-cuts-student-bursary-equality-analysis-reveals-bame-mature-students-deterred_uk_5a81e6e6e4b08dfc9306c1b5/?3s=&__twitter_impression=true The Government points out that although applications have fallen by 20% since the bursary changes, the number of acceptances has dropped by just 1% from 2016 to 2017. Its Equality Analysis states that “Evidence suggests that other elements of the student support package, such as the income threshold for repayment and the debt being eventually written off, may help to reassure students about the costs of studying”. A spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Social Care told HuffPost: “Nursing, midwifery and allied health profession courses are already oversubscribed which means talented students are having their applications rejected. “These funding changes have already led to 10,000 extra training places, meaning more staff working in the NHS than ever before and importantly, students will receive 25% more financial support whilst studying.” The Government argues that moving to student loans and fees helps free up taxpayer cash to support a sustainable model for universities. It adds that under the new scheme, postgraduates will receive a 25% increase in the financial support they receive, as well as child dependents’ allowance, travel and dual accommodation support and exceptional hardship funds for those who need it. -------------- Tells you a good reason in the link you've provided. 1
Guest Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Innovindil said: The Government points out that although applications have fallen by 20% since the bursary changes, the number of acceptances has dropped by just 1% from 2016 to 2017. Its Equality Analysis states that “Evidence suggests that other elements of the student support package, such as the income threshold for repayment and the debt being eventually written off, may help to reassure students about the costs of studying”. A spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Social Care told HuffPost: “Nursing, midwifery and allied health profession courses are already oversubscribed which means talented students are having their applications rejected. “These funding changes have already led to 10,000 extra training places, meaning more staff working in the NHS than ever before and importantly, students will receive 25% more financial support whilst studying.” The Government argues that moving to student loans and fees helps free up taxpayer cash to support a sustainable model for universities. It adds that under the new scheme, postgraduates will receive a 25% increase in the financial support they receive, as well as child dependents’ allowance, travel and dual accommodation support and exceptional hardship funds for those who need it. -------------- Tells you a good reason in the link you've provided. They claim more places yet acceptances are slightly down. And because their are so many less applications there's less ability to select the cream of the crop. Elsewhere it shows the impact assessment as there a drop in interest across the board. Edited 13 February 2018 by Guest
Innovindil Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 39 minutes ago, toddybad said: They claim more places yet acceptances are slightly down. And because their are so many less applications there's less ability to select the cream of the crop. Elsewhere it shows the impact assessment as there a drop in interest across the board. So you ignore the other increased benefits postgraduates receive to suit your agenda. That's okay, but don't expect a meltdown because acceptances are down a massive 1%.
Guest MattP Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 Hinting at a run on the pound, telling us it's shit or bust. I've been suspicious for a while they are trying to tell us this won't work and now this
Guest Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Innovindil said: So you ignore the other increased benefits postgraduates receive to suit your agenda. That's okay, but don't expect a meltdown because acceptances are down a massive 1%. There are 40,000 nursing vacancies and the number of EU nurses joining the NHS has dropped by 96%. We can't sustain just staying level let alone s degrees decrease. And postgraduates leaving with a debt instead of no debt have received no benefits from this. Edited 13 February 2018 by Guest
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