Buce Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 30 minutes ago, MattP said: One thing that annoys me about society is how so many people who want to pay more in tax don't voluntarily give some of their own wealth away, shouldn't need a government to do it. How do you know that they don't?
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: People obsessed with what they pay in tax annoy me. Of course they're planning. As I've said, there could be an initial bump - as there will with Brexit - because the establishment doesn't want change. But actually the cbi etc, whilst still not happy that nationalisation of some industries will happen, are starting to sound like they're getting used to the idea things need to change. Ultimately business doesn't live in a bubble. You would borrow the initial amount to build the first tranche of houses. This is better than cost neutral as you have an asset that is worth more than you spent building it. You can rent and bring in income and sell to realise capital to build again. It would be self sufficient. As for unrealistic borrowing, my point for months has been that if you invest in the right areas the cost of borrowing is outweighed by the benefits of your investment. I'm happy to discuss whether specific investments are wise - that's a different question - but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with this approach. Are the private sector going to be employed to build these council houses? Is it going to be put out to tender, might be a good time to invest in the building companies.
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 Just now, Buce said: How do you know that they don't? Because they would tell us wouldn’t they, these people can’t help themselves.
Buce Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Are the private sector going to be employed to build these council houses? Is it going to be put out to tender, might be a good time to invest in the building companies. I imagine they'll be plenty of work for dodgy sparkies...
Buce Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 Just now, Strokes said: Because they would tell us wouldn’t they, these people can’t help themselves. What a ridiculous assumption.
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 2 hours ago, MattP said: Really don't get this, McDonnell is recommending buy to let mortgage model as a way to finance UK infrastructure and utilities, then he cites same thing as inflaming house prices and causing housing crisis? Glad someone has finally mentioned his assumption he can borrow at the same rate is probably bollocks. Where did he say that about the buy to let model funding infrastructure and utilities?
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: I imagine they'll be plenty of work for dodgy sparkies... I wouldn’t work for the council again, chumps who know nothing about what they are overseeing expecting something for nothing. I worked on some tower blocks in Leicester and we had to follow very strict methods on containment because of asbestos. Anyway according the register there was no asbestos in a plant room near the roof but we thought we had found some on the route. We called the guy (Hitler) from the council and told him we believed we would have to disturb what we believed to be asbestos or re route the whole thing again and could he get it checked. He pulled out a screwdriver scratched at the surface and put his hand underneath to collect a sample. He looked at us, blew it off his hand and nodded his head, ‘’yeah that’s asbestos you can’t disturb that’’ he says. WTF he actually blew it at us. We then had to bare the cost of finding a new route, despite it being their issue. I told them to find someone else for the other towers, pricks.
Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 17 minutes ago, Strokes said: Are the private sector going to be employed to build these council houses? Is it going to be put out to tender, might be a good time to invest in the building companies. That's a good point. I don't know how labour plan to do it. But if they wanted private sector involvement I would guess and hope it would be small local businesses for elements of work rather than big householders.
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 16 minutes ago, Buce said: What a ridiculous assumption. https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/02/economist-explains-19 When the Swedes do it, you hear about it.
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 8 minutes ago, Strokes said: I wouldn’t work for the council again, chumps who know nothing about what they are overseeing expecting something for nothing. I worked on some tower blocks in Leicester and we had to follow very strict methods on containment because of asbestos. Anyway according the register there was no asbestos in a plant room near the roof but we thought we had found some on the route. We called the guy (Hitler) from the council and told him we believed we would have to disturb what we believed to be asbestos or re route the whole thing again and could he get it checked. He pulled out a screwdriver scratched at the surface and put his hand underneath to collect a sample. He looked at us, blew it off his hand and nodded his head, ‘’yeah that’s asbestos you can’t disturb that’’ he says. WTF he actually blew it at us. We then had to bare the cost of finding a new route, despite it being their issue. I told them to find someone else for the other towers, pricks. Why didn't you secure an agreement up front stating that if you had to find a new route you would get paid the extra? Sounds like you went into that job with a bit of naivety tbh.
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: That's a good point. I don't know how labour plan to do it. But if they wanted private sector involvement I would guess and hope it would be small local businesses for elements of work rather than big householders. Hopefully, it would make a bit of a mockery of it if they handed it all out to the big companies imo.
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Why didn't you secure an agreement up front stating that if you had to find a new route you would get paid the extra? Sounds like you went into that job with a bit of naivety tbh. Oh definitely, I made a lot of mistakes in business but you don’t do it again and if you can afford it you don’t work with snakes again.
Carl the Llama Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 31 minutes ago, Strokes said: Because they would tell us wouldn’t they, these people can’t help themselves. Sorry but that's such an odd bitter opinion to hold towards charitable people. I despair of the 'look at me I'm doing good' culture as much as the next guy but for every obnoxious twat there must be a good handful more quietly chipping in, you just don't hear about them for very obvious reasons.
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said: Sorry but that's such an odd bitter opinion to hold towards charitable people. I despair of the 'look at me I'm doing good' culture as much as the next guy but for every obnoxious twat there must be a good handful more quietly chipping in, you just don't hear about them for very obvious reasons. What? I thought we were talking about overpaying taxes rather charity. (Having rechecked I probably misinterpreted matt’s post) I’m not bitter towards anyone, although I think it does take the shine off charity if you brag about it. It’s a double edged sword though because the bragging etc also raises awareness, so from a charity’s point of view it does more good than harm. I help out with a local charity close to me but I don’t actually like fund raising as I feel like I’m begging (I know it’s ridiculous but I can’t help it).
Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 And so it begins. British farmer moves fruit-growing to China over Brexit uncertainty https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/british-farmer-moves-fruit-growing-to-china-over-brexit-uncertainty?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: And so it begins. British farmer moves fruit-growing to China over Brexit uncertainty https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/british-farmer-moves-fruit-growing-to-china-over-brexit-uncertainty?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard And a nice bit of land becomes available for council houses, you can see why JC loves brexit. Edited 11 February 2018 by Strokes
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: And so it begins. British farmer moves fruit-growing to China over Brexit uncertainty https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/british-farmer-moves-fruit-growing-to-china-over-brexit-uncertainty?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Moving the work to the migrants instead of moving the migrants to the work. Good stuff.
Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 1 minute ago, Innovindil said: Moving the work to the migrants instead of moving the migrants to the work. Good stuff. Will it still be good when it's manufacturing, banking and tech?
Strokes Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Will it still be good when it's manufacturing, banking and tech? Let us know when it is.
Innovindil Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 4 minutes ago, toddybad said: Will it still be good when it's manufacturing, banking and tech? They tried shifting manufacturing before, that's why an entire generation of engineers are missing from the sector. Unsurprisingly, the jobs came back, since y'know, it actually takes skill.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 My current gaff is worth about £15-20k less than what I paid for it 13 years ago. House prices don't always go skywards. (Admittedly, my first house did very well for me over the previous 12 years [1993-2005] so it's all relative.) I've also looked into buy to let as investments but, being the man of the people, I decided against it - I didn't want to help knacker the housing market #tapsdustoffshouldersetc
Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 Just now, UpTheLeagueFox said: My current gaff is worth about £15-20k less than what I paid for it 13 years ago. House prices don't always go skywards. (Admittedly, my first house did very well for me over the previous 12 years [1993-2005] so it's all relative.) I've also looked into buy to let as investments but, being the man of the people, I decided against it - I didn't want to help knacker the housing market #tapsdustoffshouldersetc But is your current gaff worth less than what it cost to build? I suspect not. Btw how on earth have you lost out on housing in the last ten years?! Well done for recognising the effects of mass btl though.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: But is your current gaff worth less than what it cost to build? I suspect not. I don't know much about house building cost but I suspect you're absolutely right. 6 minutes ago, toddybad said: Btw how on earth have you lost out on housing in the last ten years?! Well done for recognising the effects of mass btl though. House cost 210, worth about 190/195 now. Not looking to sell anyway - love the house and area - and mortgage is paid off now. Got lucky with the first house (cost 45k in 1993) and the market rising so no complaints overall.
Carl the Llama Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 3 hours ago, Strokes said: What? I thought we were talking about overpaying taxes rather charity. (Having rechecked I probably misinterpreted matt’s post) I’m not bitter towards anyone, although I think it does take the shine off charity if you brag about it. It’s a double edged sword though because the bragging etc also raises awareness, so from a charity’s point of view it does more good than harm. I help out with a local charity close to me but I don’t actually like fund raising as I feel like I’m begging (I know it’s ridiculous but I can’t help it). Fair enough think I misinterpreted what was going on too 1
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Posted 11 February 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Innovindil said: They tried shifting manufacturing before, that's why an entire generation of engineers are missing from the sector. Unsurprisingly, the jobs came back, since y'know, it actually takes skill. You what Manufacturing in the UK has been in steady decline for decades. Other countries do it much better than we do. But of course in Innovidnil's world you can't be skilled if you're a foreign. Edited 11 February 2018 by Rogstanley
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