Guest MattP Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 1 hour ago, toddybad said: I'm sure nobody has taken any discussions of the word gammon seriously? Have they? The right wing Brexit nutjobs also matty - don't forget them. A few left wing ones as well - the two gammons already posted!
Strokes Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 3 hours ago, MattP said: I'm sure Charlie Brooker, Rod Liddle and Armando Iannucci could never have thought up something as terrific as calling people a gammon. Referring to people’s skin tone is a bit un-pc, not something I would normally expect from the lefty’s.....
Rogstanley Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 5 minutes ago, MattP said: I run a few (poorly performing) websites - you know this. Fortunately, I've never received an inheritance as yet. I'd love to know what you actually do. Oh right fair enough. I knew you weren’t an employee (is there a single Tory on here who is an employee?), but I’ve never seen you talk about work or say what you actually do. It’s not really any of my business, of course. I’m a 9-5 plodding project manager for one of the big engineering firms.
Guest MattP Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 2 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Oh right fair enough. I knew you weren’t an employee (is there a single Tory on here who is an employee?), but I’ve never seen you talk about work or say what you actually do. It’s not really any of my business, of course. I’m a 9-5 plodding project manager for one of the big engineering firms. I'll eventually be an employee again, but it's not something I want to think about. Working for somebody is always pretty shit unless you get a lot of luck.
Innovindil Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 27 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Oh right fair enough. I knew you weren’t an employee (is there a single Tory on here who is an employee?), but I’ve never seen you talk about work or say what you actually do. It’s not really any of my business, of course. I’m a 9-5 plodding project manager for one of the big engineering firms. 1
Guest Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 Any of our tame Brexiteers fancy commenting on this piece in the Torygraph? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/amp/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Webbo Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 4 minutes ago, toddybad said: Any of our tame Brexiteers fancy commenting on this piece in the Torygraph? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/amp/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true Quote Mr Trump has claimed that the high costs faced by US patients are a direct result of other countries’ health services “freeloading” at America’s expense. Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States. "On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC. So it's nothing to do with brexit, Trump wants to do it to all countries? As with our and the EU negotiators, you can demand things but it doesn't mean you'll get what you want. If the price of a certain drug goes up that means we'll use a cheaper alternative.
Guest MattP Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 11 minutes ago, toddybad said: Any of our tame Brexiteers fancy commenting on this piece in the Torygraph? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/amp/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true Good job we are out, we can say no. Wouldn't have that choice inside the EU.
Guest Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 15 minutes ago, MattP said: Good job we are out, we can say no. Wouldn't have that choice inside the EU. It wouldn't happen inside the EU. Tell me which countries you think will make up the trade difference if not the US? Which countries won't look to take advantage of our weakness/desperation? Do you honestly trust the Tories not to just sign anything to say they've got a US trade deal?
Guest MattP Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: It wouldn't happen inside the EU. Tell me which countries you think will make up the trade difference if not the US? Which countries won't look to take advantage of our weakness/desperation? Do you honestly trust the Tories not to just sign anything to say they've got a US trade deal? Would you on Mars when TTIP was being negotiated? Of course it could happen in the EU. If the Tories sign us up to something like this they'll be kicked out of office, they know that as well.
Guest Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 Just now, MattP said: Would you on Mars when TTIP was being negotiated? Of course it could happen in the EU. If the Tories sign us up to something like this they'll be kicked out of office, they know that as well. Was TTIP agreed? How exactly did TTIP affect the price of medicines?
Guest MattP Posted 15 May 2018 Posted 15 May 2018 13 minutes ago, toddybad said: Was TTIP agreed? How exactly did TTIP affect the price of medicines? Nope, fell through, got bloody close though. EU have far too much time on their hands to spend years negotiating things like that when there is no chance of them doing it anyway. No wonder they are so profligate.
Rogstanley Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, MattP said: I'll eventually be an employee again, but it's not something I want to think about. Working for somebody is always pretty shit unless you get a lot of luck. I've had good jobs and bad jobs as an employee. I think routine and structure is pretty good for me from a health perspective (if I was given complete freedom i think i'd end up a mess of procrastination, obesity and alcohol addiction before long), and the security of a regular pay cheque is nice. I can't stand being micro-managed or closely watched and find the modern office environment with rows of tightly packed open plan desks quite harsh from a mental health perspective, but generally the more skilled and higher up I get, the more freedom and power I have to be where I want and do what I want, and that makes things much better. Edited 16 May 2018 by Rogstanley 1
Guest Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 Harvard report (yes, ed balls is one of 6 authors) basically says that us/uk free trade agreement is extremely unlikely. So if we ain't getting one with the US, where are we going to get them from? USUK FTA 516 FINAL.pdf
Guest MattP Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 1 hour ago, Rogstanley said: I've had good jobs and bad jobs as an employee. I think routine and structure is pretty good for me from a health perspective (if I was given complete freedom i think i'd end up a mess of procrastination, obesity and alcohol addiction before long), and the security of a regular pay cheque is nice. I can't stand being micro-managed or closely watched and find the modern office environment with rows of tightly packed open plan desks quite harsh from a mental health perspective, but generally the more skilled and higher up I get, the more freedom and power I have to be where I want and do what I want, and that makes things much better. Yeah you do, it not as bad as it sounds though.
Guest MattP Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 http://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/diary/labour-mps-called-shift-tickets-jezfest-summer-extravaganza Whose idea was this?
Guest Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: http://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/diary/labour-mps-called-shift-tickets-jezfest-summer-extravaganza Whose idea was this? The name of the festival? The aquired name is piss funny ? The festival acts are dirge thigh - just leave festivals to festival holders. I hate it when political parties do crap like this to try and get the kids on board. I think the Tories did anything similar a few months ago and it was even worse - like a few dozen tickets sold - don't quote me on that but I think I read something like that.
Guest Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 After seeing a huge drop in NHS nurse arrivals, a 90% drop in foreign investment into Britain, manufacturers taking jobs overseas (Airbus has already confirmed it's space arm is moving into the EU and made clear the rest of its uk operations will follow without imminent details of a final deal), we now have farms starting to be impacted by an inability to source short term labour. From royal table to empty fields: asparagus farmer faces bust over Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/16/from-royal-table-to-empty-fields-asparagus-farmer-faces-bust-over-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Rogstanley Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: After seeing a huge drop in NHS nurse arrivals, a 90% drop in foreign investment into Britain, manufacturers taking jobs overseas (Airbus has already confirmed it's space arm is moving into the EU and made clear the rest of its uk operations will follow without imminent details of a final deal), we now have farms starting to be impacted by an inability to source short term labour. From royal table to empty fields: asparagus farmer faces bust over Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/16/from-royal-table-to-empty-fields-asparagus-farmer-faces-bust-over-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Brexit was never about British farmers mate. It was about African farmers, remember. We love African farmers now and all their produce. I can’t wait to tuck into some post-Brexit trade deal African asparagus.
Innovindil Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 25 minutes ago, toddybad said: After seeing a huge drop in NHS nurse arrivals, a 90% drop in foreign investment into Britain, manufacturers taking jobs overseas (Airbus has already confirmed it's space arm is moving into the EU and made clear the rest of its uk operations will follow without imminent details of a final deal), we now have farms starting to be impacted by an inability to source short term labour. From royal table to empty fields: asparagus farmer faces bust over Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/16/from-royal-table-to-empty-fields-asparagus-farmer-faces-bust-over-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard So the farmer doesn't give a shit about where his labour comes from. So he doesn't give a crap about supplying jobs to British people, doesn't give a shit about his European workers, all he cares about is himself and his livelihood. Why is it so sad now that he's struggling after basing his life around cheap labour exploitation, but when people voted brexit to give themselves an advantage in the labour market it's wrong? How strange it all is to see the people against cheap labour now feel sad for the people that abuse it. 2
Guest Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 17 minutes ago, Innovindil said: So the farmer doesn't give a shit about where his labour comes from. So he doesn't give a crap about supplying jobs to British people, doesn't give a shit about his European workers, all he cares about is himself and his livelihood. Why is it so sad now that he's struggling after basing his life around cheap labour exploitation, but when people voted brexit to give themselves an advantage in the labour market it's wrong? How strange it all is to see the people against cheap labour now feel sad for the people that abuse it. Yet you voted in the general election for a party that exists to support exploitation. Bravo for trying to come up with a new line to make Brexit seem like a good idea. What about the huge drop in foreign investment? The manufacturers that are already starting to pull people out? What do you need to see happen to begin questioning what we're doing?
Strokes Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 19 minutes ago, Innovindil said: So the farmer doesn't give a shit about where his labour comes from. So he doesn't give a crap about supplying jobs to British people, doesn't give a shit about his European workers, all he cares about is himself and his livelihood. Why is it so sad now that he's struggling after basing his life around cheap labour exploitation, but when people voted brexit to give themselves an advantage in the labour market it's wrong? How strange it all is to see the people against cheap labour now feel sad for the people that abuse it. Sounds suspiciously like he is using the much maligned zero hour contracts to me
Innovindil Posted 16 May 2018 Posted 16 May 2018 44 minutes ago, Strokes said: Sounds suspiciously like he is using the much maligned zero hour contracts to me It's not even zero hours, it's abuse the crap out of foreign workers on minimum wage for three months and then not give a shit about them for the other nine. Don't think I'll be losing sleep over the lost asparagus tbh.
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