Rogstanley Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 5 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: It takes financial intelligence to make real money. What is financial intelligence? Financial advisors must be quite financially intelligent, yet they don't make real money. Business studies professors, business consultants etc know a bit about business, they don't make real money. You can name any variable really, hard work, sacrifice, risk taking, intelligence, financial intelligence, whatever, you'll find no golden ticket. None of these things are predictors of wealth. Had Mark Zuckerberg been born a few years later somebody else would have done a Facebook equivalent and he'd most likely be a normal programmer. Had Bill Gates not had the fortune to have been one of the first kids in the world to have regular access to a computer at school he'd have missed the boat on microsoft. If Lionel Messi was born 150 years ago his skills as a footballer would have had no relevance whatsoever. And these are just easy pickings, the more you go into the detail the more you realise just how comprehensive a role luck has played in the success or lack thereof of pretty much everyone. 1
Rogstanley Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 (edited) More shame heaped on May's morally bereft Tory government as they waste hundreds of thousands more tax payer pounds on compensation to homeless people they illegally detained for being foreign as part of her 'hostile towards foreigners' policies http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44093868 One embarrassment after another. Edited 13 May 2018 by Rogstanley
Guest Kopfkino Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 5 minutes ago, MattP said: Tories now ahead with every pollster. The most interesting point about the YouGov poll is the lead and swing Conservatives have achieved with C2DE and the divergence in personal ratings between the two leaders from that group, given Corbyn actually had a lead at the start of the year. I think Dominic Lawson has it spot on in The Sunday Times today as to why that's dropping off for Corbyn.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 And some interesting polling by YouGov on behalf of CPS. Full number http://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/180511132931-YouGovCPSPollingAllAges.pdf Thread below: I think there's a lot to work with there for the Conservatives, just a shame Brexit is consuming all the political bandwidth at the moment and it is getting costlier. There's opportunity in there and when May goes if they 'skip a generation' again and have somebody who has the best chance of distancing themselves from the current government malaise. Still going to be impossible to tackle some of the big issues (social care etc) head on.
Alf Bentley Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 1 hour ago, Kopfkino said: The most interesting point about the YouGov poll is the lead and swing Conservatives have achieved with C2DE and the divergence in personal ratings between the two leaders from that group, given Corbyn actually had a lead at the start of the year. I think Dominic Lawson has it spot on in The Sunday Times today as to why that's dropping off for Corbyn. The article seems to be behind a pay wall. Any chance of you copy-and-pasting it or briefly summarising his argument?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 EU rough sleepers deserve to be extradited, as they contribute nothing towards our country. F..k them! The government should have stuck to their guns.
Guest Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 8 hours ago, MattP said: Tories now ahead with every pollster. Assume I've reacted more than I really have if you want. You know my feelings on the labour leadership but I also think two further things: 1- all of British politics, including voting intention, is currently dominated by Brexit. The council elections last week showed this to be the case in no uncertain terms. How the parties are affected longer term won't be known until after the deed is done. 2- Corbyn will gain ground within an election setting. He comes across well when dealing with the public etc.
Buce Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, toddybad said: Assume I've reacted more than I really have if you want. You know my feelings on the labour leadership but I also think two further things: 1- all of British politics, including voting intention, is currently dominated by Brexit. The council elections last week showed this to be the case in no uncertain terms. How the parties are affected longer term won't be known until after the deed is done. 2- Corbyn will gain ground within an election setting. He comes across well when dealing with the public etc. 3- After Brexit, Trump, and the last UK GE, polls mean nothing (as Matt always reminds us when it suits his agenda). Edited 13 May 2018 by Buce 1
Mark_w Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 7 hours ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: deserve to be extradited, as they contribute nothing towards our country. F..k them! Can this policy be applied to Football forums? 3
Guest Posted 13 May 2018 Posted 13 May 2018 35 minutes ago, Mark_w said: Can this policy be applied to Football forums? No need, we'll have gulags for them under our glorious leader.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 13 May 2018 Author Posted 13 May 2018 10 hours ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: EU rough sleepers deserve to be extradited, as they contribute nothing towards our country. F..k them! The government should have stuck to their guns. From the article... Leonie Hirst, an immigration and public law barrister, said anyone from the EU or the European Economic Area who had been detained or deported in similar circumstances could now make a potential claim. "The EU law is clear and very robust, but the policy was a very flimsy attempt to misuse the law, simply to meet immigration targets," she said. "I think it is highly unlikely, particularly given that people were targeted who were working, that this policy has done anything except cost significant amounts of public money." Ms Hirst said she had heard evidence that immigration teams were working to quotas. She said she had seen cases where officials were ignoring the usual practice of inquiring into individual circumstances before deciding whether to remove them. "One of my clients told immigration officers that he had payslips with him to prove he was working, and he had the response, 'we don't want to see those, we're operating quotas'," she said.
Guest MattP Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 11 hours ago, Buce said: 3- After Brexit, Trump, and the lastUK GE, polls mean nothing (as Matt always reminds us when it suits his agenda). And as I always remind people the first two of those were well within the margin of error. The fact Labour can't get a lead against this government, coupled with the poor showing in the local elections shows they have now peaked. You got the votes on attempted bribery last time, you can't do that again. The Tory campaign also can't be as bad.
Guest MattP Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 Tories would win a majority on current Yougov poll....332 seats.
Izzy Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Tories would win a majority on current Yougov poll....332 seats. 1
Rogstanley Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 (edited) Blue everywhere apart from the places where the actual work gets done in this country. Says a lot tbh. Edited 14 May 2018 by Rogstanley
Countryfox Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 9 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Blue everywhere apart from the places where the actual work gets done in this country. Says a lot tbh. Good point Rog .... it says you certainly don’t do much work in blue Leicestershire ... you spend all your time on here ...
Rogstanley Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 Love the way we've gone from dismissing polls as meaningless to celebrating them like an actual election win. What next - listening to experts again? 2
Buce Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 2 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Love the way we've gone from dismissing polls as meaningless to celebrating them like an actual election win. What next - listening to experts again? Only when they toe the Tory/Brexit line... 1
Innovindil Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 3 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Love the way we've gone from dismissing polls as meaningless to celebrating them like an actual election win. What next - listening to experts again? No need to be a downer. I was just breaking out the champagne.
Guest MattP Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Love the way we've gone from dismissing polls as meaningless to celebrating them like an actual election win. What next - listening to experts again? Because the polling is now again weighted to reflect higher turnout among the young - which was why they got it wrong last time. (Although as I said, most were still within the margin of error) We have some proof it's correct anyway, the local election results. Edited 14 May 2018 by MattP
Nick Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 (edited) So what do you get if you cross a conservative, a liberal and a labour politician.... Soft Brexit apparently if Miliband (D), Morgan and Clegg have any say in it! Is this the new centrists party founding formula? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/may/14/brexit-david-miliband-corbyn-will-be-midwife-of-hard-brexit-if-labour-shuns-staying-in-single-market-says-david-miliband-politics-live https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-miliband-brexit_uk_5af8765be4b032b10bfbb5ab Edited 14 May 2018 by Nick
Nick Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 40 minutes ago, MattP said: Because the polling is now again weighted to reflect higher turnout among the young - which was why they got it wrong last time. (Although as I said, most were still within the margin of error) We have some proof it's correct anyway, the local election results. You may well be absolutely correct but I’m not sure the youth voters turn out for local elections in the same numbers.
Rogstanley Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 46 minutes ago, MattP said: Because the polling is now again weighted to reflect higher turnout among the young - which was why they got it wrong last time. (Although as I said, most were still within the margin of error) We have some proof it's correct anyway, the local election results. With a turnout of about 30% the local election results mean nothing. Let's be honest basically nobody under 30 would have voted in them and the majority if voters would have been pensioners with nothing better to do with their day. You're clutching at straws. The fact remains that at the last proper election we had, just a year ago, May struggled against Corbyn and had to bribe to DUP to keep her job. Noise aside, nothing fundamental has changed since then.
Guest Posted 14 May 2018 Posted 14 May 2018 1 hour ago, MattP said: Because the polling is now again weighted to reflect higher turnout among the young - which was why they got it wrong last time. (Although as I said, most were still within the margin of error) We have some proof it's correct anyway, the local election results. Based on the local election results labour would have a minority government or small majority though.
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