Can we be trusted to develop youth?

[urban.spaceman]

Oh, and don't forget the legend that is Conrad Logan. 

[mozartfox]

19 hours ago, Foxy-Lady said:

"Top notch scouting"????

 

We have had 3 young players in past 10 seasons on loan to us (Keane, Kane, Lingard) who are now doing well in PL and were probably offered to us on the cheap so they could get experience in Div2 and you classify that as "Top Notch scouting"...?!?  

 

Not quite sure you and i share same definition of "Top Notch"...!  

Spelling mistake Pal-  Should read "Top Botch scouting".

[Foxy-Lady]

On 18/08/2017 at 13:05, lcfc sheff said:

We wouldn't take on a player if we didn't know what he'd bring to the club, it's the 21st century for Christ sake. Think about it.

 

I think you might have missed my point, "for christ sake!"   Im questioning whether even in the 21st century, THREE young loan signings in 10 years represents "Top Notch" scouting

 

No doubting whether or not the 3 loanees in question were good players but do you think that 3 in 10 years is evidence of "Top Notch" scouting?

 

[Foxy-Lady]

On 18/08/2017 at 15:14, Babylon said:

Spotting young talent early and them going on to have good careers is the definition of good scouting isn't it.

 

WE sought these players out, they weren't offered.

Not doubting your definition of good scouting but even a blind squirrel finds the occassional acorn!    

 

Where I dont agree with you is in the definition of "Top Notch" scouting.  I cannot think of too many professions where 3 successes every 10 years would be described as "Top Notch" and im fairly certain that most half-decent scouts could spend 6 months today watching U23s Football and pick you 3 players with a reasonable chance of making the grade.  Therefore, I dont share the view that 3 successful loanees in 10 years represents "Top Notch" scouting

 

(PS how are you certain the 3 playesr players were sought out by LCFC scouts as many loan signings today are offered out by clubs and agents to potentially interested and suitable clubs??)

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

Not doubting your definition of good scouting but even a blind squirrel finds the occassional acorn!    

 

Where I dont agree with you is in the definition of "Top Notch" scouting.  I cannot think of too many professions where 3 successes every 10 years would be described as "Top Notch" and im fairly certain that most half-decent scouts could spend 6 months today watching U23s Football and pick you 3 players with a reasonable chance of making the grade.  Therefore, I dont share the view that 3 successful loanees in 10 years represents "Top Notch" scouting

 

(PS how are you certain the 3 playesr players were sought out by LCFC scouts as many loan signings today are offered out by clubs and agents to potentially interested and suitable clubs??)

Because Mahrez, Vardy, DD, James, knockaert etc aren't good scouting? Spending about £30m to win the titles in the top three English divisions isn't good scouting?

 

Every level we were at Walsh put together a title winning team and found great players for us. Even the flops often going on to have great times elsewhere.

[Foxy-Lady]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Because Mahrez, Vardy, DD, James, knockaert etc aren't good scouting? Spending about £30m to win the titles in the top three English divisions isn't good scouting?

 

Every level we were at Walsh put together a title winning team and found great players for us. Even the flops often going on to have great times elsewhere.

Honestly???   

 

Not sure where you joined this thread but the subject title is "Can We be trusted to develope Youth" which then led in to a comment about 3 young Youth loanees we have scouted in previous 10 years (ie Kane, Keane, Lingard) being clear evidence of "Top Notch" scouting which I dont agree with.

 

Exactly which players out of Mahrez, vardy, DD, James Knockaert etc did we develope through our Youth system as a result of good scouting?  

Answer;   None!

 

Agree that every level we were at Walsh put together a title winning team and found great players for us.........except at Youth level..... which is exactly what this thread is about!

 

[Strokes]

This is why I don't argue with women.

[Babylon]

17 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

Honestly???   

 

Not sure where you joined this thread but the subject title is "Can We be trusted to develope Youth" which then led in to a comment about 3 young Youth loanees we have scouted in previous 10 years (ie Kane, Keane, Lingard) being clear evidence of "Top Notch" scouting which I dont agree with.

 

Exactly which players out of Mahrez, vardy, DD, James Knockaert etc did we develope through our Youth system as a result of good scouting?  

Answer;   None!

 

Agree that every level we were at Walsh put together a title winning team and found great players for us.........except at Youth level..... which is exactly what this thread is about!

 

There are two totally different things being discussed, Development and scouting are totally different things. 

 

None of those listed by the OP came through our youth system.

 

Our scouting of the players mentioned is top notch scouting as it's been done by the same bloke that got a fantastic track record for us. 

 

The scouting of younger players and their development from an early age is a totally different thing entirely. Clearly something isn't right at the younger levels because our track record is woeful for a club our size.

 

The OP seemed very much to be focussing on the older purchased players over your 10 year olds coming through the ranks.

 

Our ability to spot talent in those 18-21 brackets has been very decent since Walsh came in. 

[Foxy-Lady]

14 minutes ago, Babylon said:

 

The scouting of younger players and their development from an early age is a totally different thing entirely. Clearly something isn't right at the younger levels because our track record is woeful for a club our size.

 

And now that Walsh has gone, who is principally in charge of recruitment and scouting? 

 

Isnt is the same people that used to be in charge of development and recruitemnt at the younger levels whcih you describe as being "woeful for a club our size"..?!?

[Babylon]

9 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

 

And now that Walsh has gone, who is principally in charge of recruitment and scouting? 

 

Isnt is the same people that used to be in charge of development and recruitemnt at the younger levels whcih you describe as being "woeful for a club our size"..?!?

No it's going to be a totally different set of scouts. There are no analytics for 8 year olds playing for Aylestone park

for starters, which a large part of our scouting is based on.

 

You have your local community guys who are going to be more responsible for bringing the kids in to the club, they'll then get looked at by the youth coaches and filtered out. 

 

Its highly unlikely Mascia and our top scouts are running the rule over a bunch of pre teens.

 

Then obviously how they are developed by the coaches at those younger levels is another issue.

 

So going back to the OP, I think we'd be trusted buying a 18/19/20 year old youth talent. A parent with a 10 year old talent might think twice though.

[lcfc sheff]

The OP mentioned an emerging star or emerging prodigy. In my eyes from our TOP NOTCH SCOUTING we've found and developed players such as knockaert, mahrez, drinkwater, James, chilwell, wood, ndidi, vardy could even be defined as an emerging star, even if he was considerable old for being defined as so. 

 

We are a club more importantly fine for developing players if they suit our style. Kane, lingard didn't, while Keane was a loss admittedly to have not been signed permanently.