fix it , give mahrez a release clause

[4everfox]

26 minutes ago, the fox said:

again, you can't do that! if you're not gonna pay him, his case will automatically go to the FA and CAS.

Actually I'm pretty sure any company in the world can refuse to pay an employee for not turning up to work. He'd be laughed out of court. 

[the fox]

Just now, 4everfox said:

Actually I'm pretty sure any company in the world can refuse to pay an employee for not turning up to work. He'd be laughed out of court. 

those companies don't have FIFA rules.

[ARTY_FOX]

Just now, the fox said:

those companies don't have FIFA rules.

He has refuses to turn up there's absolutely no way his contract would be terminated. He'd just be fined constantly. 

[the fox]

Just now, ARTY_FOX said:

He has refuses to turn up there's absolutely no way his contract would be terminated. He'd just be fined constantly. 

But you can't do that, it's a violation of his rights (the irony )

That's why the club don't want to fine him yet. They don't want to put more gas into the fire. The club will try the sensible way by talking because after a set amount of fines, the case will go to court.

[4everfox]

Just now, the fox said:

those companies don't have FIFA rules.

You're mad if you think the club have a legal obligation to pay this man. Its more likely that Leicester could legally fine Mahrez as well as withhold his wages for his conduct than it is that Mahrez would have a remote chance of winning a court battle for lost earnings. Frankly he'd be a laughing stock for even contesting the club on the matter. 

[ARTY_FOX]

6 minutes ago, the fox said:

But you can't do that, it's a violation of his rights (the irony )

That's why the club don't want to fine him yet. They don't want to put more gas into the fire. The club will try the sensible way by talking because after a set amount of fines, the case will go to court.

I don't think the club would just not pay him but we don't know what the contract says. For all we know, they can do that. If he's in violation of his contract the club probably have a form of punishment for it written in. With that not being termination. 

[the fox]

23 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

You're mad if you think the club have a legal obligation to pay this man.

 

Its more likely that Leicester could legally fine Mahrez as well as withhold his wages for his conduct

 

than it is that Mahrez would have a remote chance of winning a court battle for lost earnings. Frankly he'd be a laughing stock for even contesting the club on the matter. 

i don't think that, but there is no way the club can keep riyadh in a limbo and keep fining him. that's against the rules.

 

they could fine him but not forever, kia isn't stupid, he knows what kind of situation he's getting riyad into. 

 

you never know, man. a doctor can write him up a statement of "mental incapacity" and the human rights people will jump at the chance like a pig into a pile of sh*t.

Edited 8 February 2018 by the fox

[the fox]

9 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

I don't think the club would just not pay him but we don't know what the contract says. For all we know, they can do that. If he's in violation of his contract the club probably have a form of punishment for it written in. With that not being termination. 

but that's the trick, the club can fine him him for breach of contract but not for long before it goes to court. think he got kia as an adviser for this kind of scenarios

[ARTY_FOX]

5 minutes ago, the fox said:

but that's the trick, the club can fine him him for breach of contract but not for long before it goes to court. think he got kia as an adviser for this kind of scenarios

Of course they can. If he wants to take it to court let him. By the time all the sueing and counter sueing is over his career will be too anyway and his agent will have moved on. 

 

Even If he wins it'll be bosman all over again. 

Edited 8 February 2018 by ARTY_FOX

[4everfox]

2 minutes ago, the fox said:

i don't think that, but there is no way the club can keep riyadh in a limbo and keep fining him. that's against the rules.

 

they could fine him but not forever, kia isn't stupid, he knows what kind of situation he's getting riyad into. 

 

you never know, man. a doctor can write him up a statement of "mental disability" and the human rights people will jump at the chance like a pig into a pile of sh*t.

Why can't the club keep him in limbo and fine him? He has been doing the exact same to us. It doesn't matter if he's got human rights people when it's so blatantly obvious he hasn't got real depression, he's just throwing a tantrum. Kia is stupid for underestimating Leicester's ambition. 

[st albans fox]

12 minutes ago, the fox said:

i don't think that, but there is no way the club can keep riyadh in a limbo and keep fining him. that's against the rules.

 

they could fine him but not forever, kia isn't stupid, he knows what kind of situation he's getting riyad into. 

 

you never know, man. a doctor can write him up a statement of "mental incapacity" and the human rights people will jump at the chance like a pig into a pile of sh*t.

its not the club. he cant be registered to anyone else till june so its him who is keeping the club in limbo

[st albans fox]

39 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Exactly. It's 100% his fault. You could probably blame the agent too if you really wanted too but at the same time. He signed it of his own free will. He wasn't conned into it. He wasn't tricked into it. We know there were no false promises. He just needs to man up. Get on with then leave when the dolla comes flying in!

we do ?

[the fox]

1 minute ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Of course they can. If he wants to take it to court let him. By the time all the sueing and counter sueing is over his career will be too anyway and his agent will have moved on. 

The FA, FIFA and CAS will interfere without the club or the player needing to take it to court. Rules are set for this kind of stalemate situations. You would be surprised to know that PFA and many other pro-footballers organisations will stand by riyad. If he plays his cards right (throws in the depression and the 50 million verbal agreement) he will have a stronger case than many people think

[ARTY_FOX]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

we do ?

We know from what was pretty widley reported before the window opened that we never valued mahrez at 50 million. 

[ARTY_FOX]

4 minutes ago, the fox said:

The FA, FIFA and CAS will interfere without the club or the player needing to take it to court. Rules are set for this kind of stalemate situations. You would be surprised to know that PFA and many other pro-footballers organisations will stand by riyad. If he plays his cards right (throws in the depression and the 50 million verbal agreement) he will have a stronger case than many people think

What 50 verbal agreement? The PFA can stand by him all they like it doesn't change anything. If he's in breach of his contract the club can fine him. It's not the club keeping him away its him not turning up. 

 

You can guarantee there would be legal action taken. 100% if they felt they needed too. He wouldn't play again. 

Edited 8 February 2018 by ARTY_FOX

[the fox]

2 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

Why can't the club keep him in limbo and fine him? He has been doing the exact same to us. It doesn't matter if he's got human rights people when it's so blatantly obvious he hasn't got real depression, he's just throwing a tantrum. Kia is stupid for underestimating Leicester's ambition. 

because this is not the stone age! you can't do that because it will be seen as forcing loss of revenue for mahrez and he can sue the club for a BIG compensation.

[ronnup]

He’s an idiot. What are teams like Man City and Man U thinking now? What if he gets benched for 3/4 games and doesn’t like it? Strike then too? Terrible attitude. 

[the fox]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

its not the club. he cant be registered to anyone else till june so its him who is keeping the club in limbo

it's a tricky situation. if the club fines him he will use the "not mentally ready" card and will make the club look like they were inconsiderate and from there he can build a case. he can just say "i was in a bad place and when the club fined me even though i wasn't mentaly sound, it only made things worse for me"

[4everfox]

7 minutes ago, the fox said:

The FA, FIFA and CAS will interfere without the club or the player needing to take it to court. Rules are set for this kind of stalemate situations. You would be surprised to know that PFA and many other pro-footballers organisations will stand by riyad. If he plays his cards right (throws in the depression and the 50 million verbal agreement) he will have a stronger case than many people think

??? Complete rubbish. Verbal agreements mean absolutely nothing in court, Leicester could just deny having any agreement and that would be the end of it. Like it or not Mahrez is a stock, and that stock belongs to Leicester City. We sell our 'stock' for whatever price we see fit, no amount of days in court can change that. You don't see anybody taking Tesco to court because they're not happy with the prices they are charging, that's because the selling company make the price and its completely legal to do so. FIFA rules only apply when they aren't in conjunction with the UK law, duh. 

[st albans fox]

15 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

We know from what was pretty widley reported before the window opened that we never valued mahrez at 50 million. 

We did last summer ...............

[the fox]

1 minute ago, 4everfox said:

??? Complete rubbish. Verbal agreements mean absolutely nothing in court, Leicester could just deny having any agreement and that would be the end of it. Like it or not Mahrez is a stock, and that stock belongs to Leicester City. We sell our 'stock' for whatever price we see fit, no amount of days in court can change that. You don't see anybody taking Tesco to court because they're not happy with the prices they are charging, that's because the selling company make the price and its completely legal to do so. FIFA rules only apply when they aren't in conjunction with the UK law, duh. 

What's the Difference Between "Legal" and "Enforceable"?

The simple answer to the question, "Are verbal contracts legal?" is: "Yes, in many cases. But..." Most types of contracts don't have to be in writing, and it is not illegal to enter into a verbal business contract unless the nature of the contract itself is illegal (as in a contract for illegal drugs). But that's not the problem.

 

Sure, it's legal, but is it enforceable? That is, can the verbal contract be upheld in a court of law? A verbal contract is difficult for a court to uphold because it turns into "he said/she said." There is no way for either side to prove their version of the contract. A written contract, on the other hand, can stand by itself.

[4everfox]

9 minutes ago, the fox said:

because this is not the stone age! you can't do that because it will be seen as forcing loss of revenue for mahrez and he can sue the club for a BIG compensation.

So you're telling me that if I'm unhappy at work I can just stop going and sue my employer when they decide to stop paying me? Sweet, should've been doing that years ago.

[Trav Le Bleu]

First half of the season: player who wanted to play, but couldn't, yet we still paid him.

 

Second half of the season: player who doesn't want to play, but can....?

[the fox]

Just now, 4everfox said:

So you're telling me that if I'm unhappy at work I can just stop going and sue my employer when they decide to stop paying me? Sweet, should've been doing that years ago.

Again, different laws. Football and normal jobs are not the same.

 

mahrez can't sue tyhe club for fining him but that's not the dispute here! it's about a transfer

[the fox]

i get why riyad doesn't want to play (even if what he's doing is wrong). if he kept the same level as the first half of season it will only drive his price tag up. even puel said that he could be worth 100 million in the summer and i'm sure riyad isn't really happy about that.

he thought that if he plays as hard as he can the club will keep the same valuation as the summer. what a naive way of thinking.

Edited 8 February 2018 by the fox