fix it , give mahrez a release clause

[Bluetintedspecs]

29 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

nice post, mate , except the anxious mood in the last sentence 

for RM ( zidane has asked to bring in mzhrez in the last summer but but got a strait NO from Perez ) but as other posters said in this mayhem RM is forced to make big changes ( out/ins ) in the next transfer window 

 

Mahrez is not in a depressive mood nor in childish reaction , he is acting in a serious and reflected answer to what he felt as a  negative position from the owners to the verbal agreement, although he is genuinely upset when the move failed )

 

 

finally, of course mahrez can play in Leicester now as puel had adopted z new strategy with more controllig of the ball with les searing the pressure of the adverse team ( this strategy needs quality and we can see it in the numbers if the players kept or offloaded )

These words are what makes your posts completely flawed! 

So called close friends have released statements to the media stating he is depressed.

He is acting childishly a complete fkn disgrace in truth.

Verbal agreement my arse, either he or his previous representatives have completely messed up as the only thing that counts is the written legally binding contract which he was happy to sign for a 4 year deal....go figure?

For a large % of Leicester fans to be furious with him despite his quality and previous playing contribution shows how badly he has got this wrong.

Our owners imo will rightly NOT back down so he mans' up or rots and goes nowhere for 2 1/2 years.....Over to you Riyad.

[the fox]

this is from an 2014 article. i will do some more digging to find more 

 

"

FIFA RULES ON THE UNILATERAL BREACH OF CONTRACT BY FOOTBALLERS

Following on from the last post on this blog, what can a player do to release himself from his playing contract before the expiration of his terms if no buy-out clause exists in his playing contract? In the wake of the decision of the Bosman case it was felt that the ruling which allowed out-of-contract players to move freely to other clubs could have implications for those under contract too. One compelling argument suggested that a contract can be ended before the end of the contractual term by the player and the player would be able to walk away from his football club, after simply paying compensation to the club. This argument was based on the fact that that football contracts are essentially employment contracts and that the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act forbids the ordering of specific performance of labour contracts. Similarly, a court will also be reluctant to grant a negative injunction preventing a person from taking up a different employment position after a breach of contract. As such the argument that damages would be the only recourse for the clubs if a player unilaterally breaches his contract seemed to be a sound argument at the time.

 

However, in the wake of the Bosman decision, FIFA updated their transfer rules. The FIFA transfer rules allow the unilateral termination of the playing contract by the Player only in certain conditions. The main problem that players are faced with if they want to employ this procedure is that according to Article 16 of the FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players, unilateral terminations can only take place at the end of any particular season, and the player only has a short window of two weeks from the end of the final match of the previous season during which he has to notify his club that he is willing to terminate his contract. In most cases therefore, this procedure would only be available to players who have already made a decision to end their contract before the end of the season, as the window of opportunity is very small. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, FIFA has introduced a protracted period to every contract which ultimately means that a player cannot terminate the contract before some of the term has already passed. The protracted period ultimately means that players up to the age of 28 at the time when they want to end the contract in question cannot unilaterally terminate the said contract before playing for their club for at least 3 seasons. This means that contracts of three years or less are not eligible for termination by this means; only long term contracts of more than 3 years that can be terminated after the protracted period has passed. A player who is aged over 28 at the time would need to have honoured at least 2 years of his contract before he can terminate it. According to Article 17(3) of the FIFA transfer rules, if a contract is terminated within the protracted period, sanctions such as a ban from playing football for up to 6 months will be issued to the player. Potentially at least, the FIFA transfer rules allow an opportunity for a player to terminate his contract if his club as unwilling to transfer him. However, this perceived freedom depends on the amount of compensation payable by the player for the unilateral breach.

 

There have been a number of relatively recent cases where a player has terminated his contract unilaterally by taking advantage of Article 17 of the FIFA transfer rules. As such FIFA’s Dispute Resolution Chamber (DRC) has had the jurisdiction to decide the amount of compensation payable. In all of the cases, however, an appeal regarding the amount of compensation due to the player’s previous club has been made to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which itself has given inconsistent decisions.

The first case is that of Andy Webster who took advantage of Article 17 to unilaterally terminate his contract with Scottish club Hearts of Midlothian FC, and then signed for English club Wigan. CAS who heard the case after an appeal by Webster stated that damages should only be punitive in nature and therefore they rejected the need to pay a large sum equivalent to a transfer fee, settling the amount of damages to the remaining value of Webster’s contract with Hearts. Naturally FIFA were dismayed by the decision as they saw it as a green light for more players to disregard their contracts; something which would disrupt football. However the decision was quickly overturned. The case of Matuzalem had very similar facts, involving the Brazilian player’s unilateral breach of his contract with Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukraine) and later registration with Real Zaragoza in Spain. The case was appealed to CAS who this time imposed a penalty of €11,958,934 payable by the player and his new club in damages for the unilateral breach. This sum was calculated by taking into consideration the transfer value of the player before the breach and a prospective future transfer fee which Real Zaragoza had inserted into a loan agreement with a third club (SS Lazio) where Matuzalem subsequently ended up. In short CAS calculated the market value of the player and stated that this was the amount of damages that were due to the club for the breach of contract. The decision is not without criticism, not least because CAS did not even consider the Webster case when reaching their decision. It is also felt that the decision is wrong because it was based on ‘fictions’ such as a future transfer fee. Though CAS did follow this decision in the latter case of El-Hadaray, the approach has again been overturned subsequently.

The most recent case of De Sanctis, which again involved similar facts (this time the goalkeeper Morgan de Sanctis terminated his contract with Italian club Udinese and subsequently signed for Sevilla in Spain), was decided differently by CAS. Here CAS found that the compensation payable would be calculated differently. They worked out the amount of money spent by Udinese for getting a replacement for De Sanctis, and subtracted from this the total of all the money which would have been spent by the club remunerating the goalkeeper until the end of his contract, including wages and other bonuses. By justifying yet another approach to calculation of damages, CAS stated that each case would have damages calculated differently according to the particular elements of the case and evidence produced by both parties. However, at present it would seem that the decision in De Sanctis is the settled rule that is likely to be followed in future instances of unilateral breaches of contract by players. The true worth of Article 17 to players will not be known until a player with a high market value decides to invoke it."

Edited 6 February 2018 by the fox

[the fox]

FIFA transfer rules

In the wake of the Bosman ruling, FIFA updated its transfer rules. The FIFA transfer rules now allow the unilateral termination of the contract by the player, but only in certain conditions.

Article 13 states that a contract between a professional and a club may only be terminated upon expiry of the term of the contract or by mutual agreement.

However, under Article 14, a contract may be terminated by either party without consequences of any kind (either payment of compensation or imposition of sporting sanctions) where there is ‘just cause’. Just cause is not defined but would cover, for example, where a player has not been paid for months.

Article 15, allows an ‘established professional’ to terminate his contract on the grounds of ‘sporting just cause’ if he has appeared in fewer than 10% of the official matches in which his club has been involved during the season. If a sporting just cause is found, sporting sanctions (see below) won’t be imposed, though compensation may be payable. A player can only terminate his contract on this basis in the 15 days following the last official match of the season of the club with which he is registered.

Article 16 states that a contract cannot be unilaterally terminated during the course of a season.

Article 17: compensation

If a contract is terminated without just cause, the person in breach will have to pay compensation. Generally, when calculating the level of compensation, the law of the country concerned and the specific city of sport will be considered. Other criteria which will be taken into account will be the player’s pay and benefits due under the existing contract and/or the new contract, the time remaining on the existing contract up to a maximum of five years, the fees and expenses paid or incurred by the former club and whether the contractual breach falls within a ‘protected period’.

 

Article 17: sporting sanctions

In addition to the need to pay compensation, sporting sanctions will also be imposed on a player in breach of contract during the protected period. This means they will be banned from playing in official matches for up to four months, or, where there are particularly aggravating circumstances, up to six months. These bans will take effect from the start of the following season at the new club.

Sporting sanctions will not be imposed if a player unilaterally breaches his contract without just cause/sporting just cause after the protected period. He may, however, face disciplinary measures if he fails to give notice of termination within 15 days of the last official match of the season (including national cups) of the club he is registered with.

 

 

The player’s right to terminate the contract

 

The player can not unilaterally terminate the employment unless the right to terminate the contract is stipulated in NFF or FIFA regulations. Particularly reference is made to FIFA’s "Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players" art. 13, 14 and 15, which states that a player can only terminate a contract where there is just cause4 or sporting just cause5 . If there is just cause, the contract can be terminated at any time, even during the course of a season. If The player terminates the contract where there is sporting just cause, The player may be liable to pay compensation to the club, according to NFF and FIFA rules. The player may only terminate his contract during periods defined in the NFF and FIFA regulations, and if the termination is given outside these periods, this could lead to sanctions being imposed on The player. Reference is also made to NFF and FIFA regulations regarding the player’s right to terminate the contract after a protected period6 of two or three years, depending on the player's age at the time the contract is signed. If The player unilaterally terminates the contract without just cause, in or after the protected period, The player will be liable to pay compensation to the club, according to NFF and FIFA regulations. If the player unilaterally terminates the contract without just cause in the protected period, sporting sanctions shall be imposed, according to NFF and FIFA regulations.

Edited 6 February 2018 by the fox

[Almo-Fox]

10 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

These words are what makes your posts completely flawed! 

So called close friends have released statements to the media stating he is depressed.

He is acting childishly a complete fkn disgrace in truth.

Verbal agreement my arse, either he or his previous representatives have completely messed up as the only thing that counts is the written legally binding contract which he was happy to sign for a 4 year deal....go figure?

For a large % of Leicester fans to be furious with him despite his quality and previous playing contribution shows how badly he has got this wrong.

Our owners imo will rightly NOT back down so he mans' up or rots and goes nowhere for 2 1/2 years.....Over to you Riyad.

thanks mate , sometimes a fly-above-words reading is needed as editing is impossible ( sometimes some posts suggests diagonal or between the lines readings ) 

 

mahrez was genuinely upset ( even if the word depression was used , but most sports experts znd analysts e.g Matt Elliot gave it a mere sense of feeling upset ) 

 

but out after day one he is acting on the legal advises of Kia. 

 

PS : I think we cannot put into rotting for a player of mahrez caliber 

[sylofox]

not sure I get some of this. We keep giving he keeps crying. He got a BMW our owners had no reason to give other than they are grateful for what the squad did. He got a huge pay rise and has not really given his best.

 

I have no criticise his ability but his attitude stinks. FVCK him give him no more.

[Bluetintedspecs]

43 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

thanks mate , sometimes a fly-above-words reading is needed as editing is impossible ( sometimes some posts suggests diagonal or between the lines readings ) 

 

mahrez was genuinely upset ( even if the word depression was used , but most sports experts znd analysts e.g Matt Elliot gave it a mere sense of feeling upset ) 

 

but out after day one he is acting on the legal advises of Kia. 

 

PS : I think we cannot put into rotting for a player of mahrez caliber 

It's  not about his caliber it's about his childish, petulant and disrespectful  behaviour though! 

I truly believe the owners will not back down and I agree on the principle.

Riyad needs to man up and build bridges or he will regret it I feel.

[Almo-Fox]

fictional post ( yet it may match the reality ) 

 

fans reactions to mahrez return : 

 

- first 15 min :

boooo   boooo boooo 

treator   wooooo  boooo

 

 

- after 30 min 

ohhhh  what a touch 

ohhhhhh what a pass 

ohhhhhh what a control 

 

omg  what a goal that was a beauty  

Riad     Riad   ohhh Riad Riad 

 

fan 1 : happy  to have him back 

fan 2:    ahhhh I feel good  that's refreshing  having him back on the pitch 

fan 3 :  I cannot take it on mzhrez 

he is so special , it's killing me knowing he will be gone next summer 

fan4 : you know I have an idea , we will follow him and Leicester and he played us we will 2 in 1 formula 

 

t

Edited 6 February 2018 by Almo-Fox

[Mickyblueeyes]

13 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

fictional post ( yet it may match the reality ) 

 

fans reactions to mahrez return : 

 

- first 15 min :

boooo   boooo boooo 

treator   wooooo  boooo

 

 

- after 30 min 

ohhhh  what a touch 

ohhhhhh what a pass 

ohhhhhh what a control 

 

omg  what a goal that was a beauty  

Riad     Riad   ohhh Riad Riad 

 

fan 1 : happy  to have him back 

fan 2:    ahhhh I feel good  that's refreshing  having him back on the pitch 

fan 3 :  I cannot take it on mzhrez 

he is so special , it's killing me knowing he will be gone next summer 

fan4 : you know I have an idea , we will follow him and Leicester and he played us we will 2 in 1 formula 

 

t

After the day I've had, I'll have whatever you've been smoking please. ?

[Bluetintedspecs]

22 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

After the day I've had, I'll have whatever you've been smoking please. ?

Touche 

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, Almo-Fox said:

fictional post ( yet it may match the reality ) 

 

fans reactions to mahrez return : 

 

- first 15 min :

boooo   boooo boooo 

treator   wooooo  boooo

 

 

- after 30 min 

ohhhh  what a touch 

ohhhhhh what a pass 

ohhhhhh what a control 

 

omg  what a goal that was a beauty  

Riad     Riad   ohhh Riad Riad 

 

fan 1 : happy  to have him back 

fan 2:    ahhhh I feel good  that's refreshing  having him back on the pitch 

fan 3 :  I cannot take it on mzhrez 

he is so special , it's killing me knowing he will be gone next summer 

fan4 : you know I have an idea , we will follow him and Leicester and he played us we will 2 in 1 formula 

 

t

Don't judge everyone else by your own standards. The sooner he's gone the better. Would I cheer if he played and scored yes to right. But in my book once a cvnt always a cvnt. I will never cheer his name if read out for us again.

[Almo-Fox]

29 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Don't judge everyone else by your own standards. The sooner he's gone the better. Would I cheer if he played and scored yes to right. But in my book once a cvnt always a cvnt. I will never cheer his name if read out for us again.

thank you, mate , and I m with that mahrez a long way to convince znd regain the fans.

 

I m really eager to see how things will be, because it sounds unprecedented. 

[sylofox]

9 hours ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

It's  not about his caliber it's about his childish, petulant and disrespectful  behaviour though! 

I truly believe the owners will not back down and I agree on the principle.

Riyad needs to man up and build bridges or he will regret it I feel.

build bridges with our owners He best ask Karren Brady's advice on that one second thoughts maybe not  

[Almo-Fox]

Riyad Mahrez’s Leicester City legacy: Sad if this story is tarnished | Football News | Sky Sports

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/11239423/riyad-mahrez8217s-leicester-city-legacy-sad-if-this-story-is-tarnished?utm_source=Direct&utm_source=Direct

 

 

this, Dennis wise thought and Ian wright in the debate , tend to encourage  a positive solution 

[Guest]

15 hours ago, the fox said:

And be what? The best of the rest? The best player outside the top 6? Because he is already that!

 

Just look at salah, having the season of his life yet he isn't running away with the poty award because man city are so far ahead. Salah is having by far the better season  but i wouldn't be surprised  if KDB takes it. pool aren't even 2nd. to be the best you have to play for the best and perform at the highest level.

 

Why so bitter? i would have understood it if you had this attitude after the things he did last week but you had this attitude against him for the longest.

 

Did it burn when kante was considered world class right after he started playing with chelsea? because that's football and i can't blame him for leaving the club. Yes, kante iswas too good for us and people are afraid that the same will be proven in the case of riyad and that's why they hold a grudge.

 

How dare he think he is good enough to become one of the best players in the world?
Just give it time and people will start talking about how simmo is not offering enough going forward (at least more than before). there would be no riyad to blame anymore!

 

The days of having a game winner like him is sadly behind us. People won't appreciate how good of a footballer riyad is until he starts killing it with a top 6 team instead of playing as a LWB for 90% of the time. and i'm sure you (and many) will say that he wasn't putting 100% while playing here instead of accepting the fact that he is now playing with players who are on the same level (technically) as him. If pep can get that much out of raheem, he would do wonders for riyad

 

Man you are so biased that you can't understand an unbiased view.

 

The best of the rest - that just sounds like something the media have made up to sell advertising. There is no such thing and this the top/big 6 is another media made up name which has caught on this year. FYI he isn't the best player not in one of the clubs in the top 6 positions of the PL. You must be simple to think that you can even compare him and a defender like Maguire or an attacker like Vardy or a multi-use player like Amartey or a GK like Kasper. Played in any of their positions he'd be absolute shit. The best you can say is that he is one of the best Attacking whingers that don't defend at the times when he is on his game. 90% of his career he does sweet FA. So enough with best of the rest.

 

You talk about salah and KDB , Mahrez isn't even in their conversation. KDB is in a completely higher league than Riyad.

 

Not sure what point you're making with Kanté, He was great for us, he was sold, he was great for Chelsea and now Ndidi looks better than him. Kanté didn't sulk, not train and refuse to play in matches for us.

 

One of the best in the world. I nearly died laughing. your bias is too much. I've always said Simmo is an average PL player and I'd like an upgrade. That has nothing to do with Mahrez. You, however, need to put a team around Mahrez so that he can do nothing defensively, so that he can dribble and lose the ball 4 out of 5 times and occassionaly show a bit of magic resulting in a goal. You are blind. LCFC carries Mahrez, he could look really shit in some teams - but that's why you need to convince yourself he's a Madrid player so everyone else can cover up his weaknesses.

 

Personally I'm looking forward to no more cry baby now, then you'll see just how good the rest of the team our. TBH a ligue 2 player has shown more in 2 games than Mahrez has shown in more than half the games he's played for us this year and 90% of the games from last year.

 

For all your "Leicester support" you are still a Mahrez homer and it'll be interesting to see if you're here a year after your lovechild has left. We all know that unless I'm banned I will be.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

Riyad Mahrez’s Leicester City legacy: Sad if this story is tarnished | Football News | Sky Sports

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/11239423/riyad-mahrez8217s-leicester-city-legacy-sad-if-this-story-is-tarnished?utm_source=Direct&utm_source=Direct

 

 

this, Dennis wise thought and Ian wright in the debate , tend to encourage  a positive solution 

Your lack of Leicester knowledge is shown by using Dennis Wise as any type of reference. Riyad is quickly moving towards the Dennis Wise hall of flame for me.

[TiffToff88]

give him a tracker chip in his arm too while we're suggesting additional clauses to his contract

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, TiffToff88 said:

give him a tracker chip in his arm too while we're suggesting additional clauses to his contract

He could just keep his training bra on at all times.

[Almo-Fox]

35 minutes ago, FIF said:

Your lack of Leicester knowledge is shown by using Dennis Wise as any type of reference. Riyad is quickly moving towards the Dennis Wise hall of flame for me.

rob tanner said he agree with Dennis asassement, and that mahrez behavior will not help his cause.

 

i might have add James sharpe and rob tanner as examples , the point is the idea of telling mzhrez that he is wrong to not return to training ,  is harmful for his career and image , so I found it pushing to positive solution if mzhrez is listening. 

[Countryfox]

 

Anyway, good result for Kingys new team mates last night ...   hope he can get into the team and become a regular.

 

Just trying to keep the ratio about right ...   one post for a superb servant of the club to 1000 and numerous threads for mardy bum ...

 

CF ..  King Fanboy ...   

 

Oh ...   and Kingy best player ever and you (sorry we !!) bin holding him back years ..  now he got dream move to big club.

[ZeGuy]

53 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Anyway, good result for Kingys new team mates last night ...   hope he can get into the team and become a regular.

 

Just trying to keep the ratio about right ...   one post for a superb servant of the club to 1000 and numerous threads for mardy bum ...

 

CF ..  King Fanboy ...   

 

Oh ...   and Kingy best player ever and you (sorry we !!) bin holding him back years ..  now he got dream move to big club.

Fanboy. This a Mahrez fanboy thread.

 

Grow up.

Edited 7 February 2018 by ZeGuy

[foxinsocks]

don't give mahrez a release clause... or we are asking for trouble from all our players

[Mickyblueeyes]

Ok, we give him a release clause. £80 million - what we were asking for in January. 

 

His suitors do not pay it. What now? He matures, acts like a grown up and earns his salary? 

 

Or do you mean we agree a release clause lower than what we want for him. Therefore to suit Mahrez, to suit Man City and to lose money in the process? 

 

I think it it may be the latter you are implying you want to occur...

 

Nah, if he wants to come back to play, let him. If not, and he truly believes the advice he is receiving is right, let him continue to strike. Why should Leicester always suffer? If he thinks he is doing this to reduce his price so the club do not have a choice, I say we dig our heels in too. Keep him for two years, we'll lose the same amount. The disrespect to the his team mates and the fans is at an extent, I genuinely do not care how that effects his career. Get your advisors to earn their money and get us our price. 

[foxinsocks]

5 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Ok, we give him a release clause. £80 million - what we were asking for in January. 

 

His suitors do not pay it. What now? He matures, acts like a grown up and earns his salary? 

 

Or do you mean we agree a release clause lower than what we want for him. Therefore to suit Mahrez, to suit Man City and to lose money in the process? 

 

I think it it may be the latter you are implying you want to occur...

 

Nah, if he wants to come back to play, let him. If not, and he truly believes the advice he is receiving is right, let him continue to strike. Why should Leicester always suffer? If he thinks he is doing this to reduce his price so the club do not have a choice, I say we dig our heels in too. Keep him for two years, we'll lose the same amount. The disrespect to the his team mates and the fans is at an extent, I genuinely do not care how that effects his career. Get your advisors to earn their money and get us our price. 

I used to sell thru re sellers in other countries... they always came back and said my pricing didn't take account of the special situation in their own countries... I used to tell them to spend time selling up to their prospects not beating me up.  I wish Mahrez's advisers had spent more time convincing man city of his value then instigating unrest to force lcfc to sell low.

[Almo-Fox]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-riyad-mahrez-offered-1179690

 

james sharpe summaries mahrez case and with some insights ( James sharpe rob tanner Matt piper Matt Elliot Phil and Gerry taggart are for me the best analysts of Leicester city sports. I weekly follow them through their  respective podcasts , they gaze insightful and balanced views )

 

with regard to mahrez missing game after game , I think the owners have partially sold him ( as a player is a sum of the games played ) to Black Hole ( since nothing had its way out of it ) 

Edited 7 February 2018 by Almo-Fox

[st albans fox]

IF Man City still want him then the last thing they want is the player doing well for the next three months and possible fee inflation re the new tv deal forcing up our valuation come the summer. 

 

It’s so messy and I suspect his advisors have told him the best thing for the time being is to stay away quoting ‘mental issues’. The club may have agreed to him having a couple weeks away. Whatever happens, I can’t believe he would be carrying on like this if he needed another club to come in for him and they hadn’t given his current behaviour their ‘blessing’ via his agent. I cannot see how he will give anything like his best again for us, even if he does return. He has already shown his contempt for the club by staying away - why would he put in that extra 1/2 % that makes the difference at elite level.