Something VERY fishy about 9/11 2001...

[wonderboy]

blimey why does everyone have to build a conspiricy around every bad thing that happens.

first it was the sept 11th attacks,now its 7/7.

i think the people that start these things are scum and are rubbing salt into the wounds of the families of the victims who lost loved ones.

just get over it these events were tragic but they were nothing more than terrorist attacks

[LCFC UK]

Good link hear based on 9/11, a forum with many views about it, very intresting read:-

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/118/pg1/srtpages

[Manwell Pablo]

<_< ahh conspirecy theories, thought up by stupid people, followed by even stupider people.

Before any one tells me to watch the video I dont think ill be bothering, ill just show how easy it is to disprove stuff like this if you THINK.

- George bush may be stupid and may like killing arabians, but he's not going to kill 2000 Americans people in order to start a war with Iraq, he's got plenty of other excuses

-Of all the thing he could of done to start a war, Im quite sure the last thing he would of though of is flying planes into the world trade centre.

- Even if George Bush was that evil, why would he then fit up a SAUDI living in AFGANISTAN if he wanted to go to war with IRAQ. ridic.

-Im sorry so these are Miltary planes, with missiles, now we all know four commercial planes left airports and then crashed into certain targets. So either the planes were swapped with military ones and there are 400-600 passangers who borded commerical planes at the airport, who now live in secrecy? and their familes think they're dead. yeah ok. Or these people boarded planes with missiles on them and didnt think ..."hold on a minute".

- The plane that went down. There was a bomb scare, ....ya what? why? whos planted this bomb on a top secret missile totting boeing 747 that nobody knows about. Why couldnt these incredible intellgent people who thought up this impossible plan disarm a bomb if they're that clever? a clever conspirecy theorist would suggest this part was to make the whole thing look like Al Quede, if there was such a thing.

- Whos flying these planes, Sucicide yanks? please

- Whats Osamas part in it, why would you live in a cave as the fall guy all your life for the sake of G.W Bush?

- Again Why have they wasted millions upon millions messing about in Afganistan... If they want Iraq?

- The yanks are using the oil in Irag to get it back on its feet, they aint taking that much for themselves. Not enough to Justify repairing the pentagon, crashing four "state of the art" miltary adapted "super" 747s. Rebuilding two of the tallest buildings in the world, and paying for two wars.

- I suppouse your going to tell me the Spanish blew up Madrid so they could get have an excuse to get out of Iraq, and Blair set up the London bombings as well now?

I really could go on all day if I wanted.

[Manwell Pablo]

oh and I fogot the most important one.

- If George Bushes more intellgent predacesor can't even get a blow job off his PA without being found out what chance has he got of starting WWIII without being found out. <_<

[LCFC UK]

<_< ahh conspirecy theories, thought up by stupid people, followed by even stupider people.

Well seen as we are all 'stupid' what are you doing putting your point across in a stupid thread?

Im actually 50/50 on it, am open to the conspiracy side of things as there is to many questions unanswered.

[dynamite foxes]

TBH Swiss, I think you have believed everything on the DVD. It is there to be biased and I think you should watch it again. There is no way that george bush would have planned it.

[MC Prussian]

TBH Swiss, I think you have believed everything on the DVD. It is there to be biased and I think you should watch it again. There is no way that george bush would have planned it.

I think I have made myself clear enough throughout this thread. If you can't be arsed to read it entirely, then don't come to rushed conclusions. I never said George Walker Bush had planned it, but the Military and the Intelligence.

And if you don't want to watch the two films, then fair enough. But again, this doesn't give you the right to ridicule others for their own opinion.

All that talk about "Respect for the victims of 9/11". Well, yeah. But what about all those people who die from starvation every day? Do we think of them, as well? Or is this just one big case of hypocrisy? Do we still "have" to mourn the deaths of over 3000 people just because they were Americans or involved in the fall ofthe two towers? This is just another politicallyt abused symbol/event and you still give in to what the American government wants you to believe.

I think you just don't want to have a look at it because you're afraid.

[MC Prussian]

And Pablo, your replies are just plain stupid. Sorry, but you're not helping at all. If you're trying to be sarcastic and/or ironic, then I can spare my applause because for some reason, it's not really working, kid.

[Unit]

My mate is a true leicester fan and a true yank, he used to fly over from Statten Island in NY every few weeks for city games, he lives here now though. He says not to beleive any of this bullshit about conspiracies because at the end of it 3,000 odd people died, he did have (not sure if he still does) footage of the smoke and stuff taken on his webcam from 9/11, scary sh*t.

and about the first plane's impact not being recorded, that's bullhsit too, i've seen it loads of times

[Lemon Harpic]

- The yanks are using the oil in Irag to get it back on its feet, they aint taking that much for themselves. Not enough to Justify repairing the pentagon, crashing four "state of the art" miltary adapted "super" 747s. Rebuilding two of the tallest buildings in the world, and paying for two wars.

You don't actually believe that, do you?

Don't get me wrong, the conspiracy theorists arguments are riddled with holes, but it's equally ridiculous to imagine that the US is in Iraq for any other reason than to plunder Iraq's oilfields.

[Unit]

You don't actually believe that, do you?

Don't get me wrong, the conspiracy theorists arguments are riddled with holes, but it's equally ridiculous to imagine that the US is in Iraq for any other reason than to plunder Iraq's oilfields.

To pop a few jihads

[MC Prussian]

Just like at the beginning of this thread, I was ridiculed for having my opinion.

After a while, some people started watching the first movie, In Plane Site, and had to agree with what I had written earlier.

Unless you haven't seen the two documentaries (something I can't force you to do), I suggest you either

a) keep a low profile

or

b) start making more sense with your comments

I'm a bit tired of repeating myself so often.

[Lemon Harpic]

Some of the more pervasive myths about 9/11, especially the nonsense about the Pentagon being hit by a missile, are scientifically debunked by experts aboutup in here.

I dislike the Bush administration and the US elite as much as anyone, but it's dangerous to believe something is true just because it appeals to your prejudices to do so. Besides which, there are more than enough legitimate reasons to despise Bush and America, without having to manufacture new and incredible charges against them.

I'm Jerry Springer, and that's my thought for the day...

[Wilson]

9/11 Loose change has bad a negative effect on the Conspiracy theorists trying to get their views across.

Many people believe that this DVD was brought out so at a later date then government can de-bunk these ideas and make the rest of the Conspiracies lose Credibility,used to read all about the whole conspiracy ideas (Bush did it,Missiles,Pods etc) for about the past two years (until i had to get a job-no more college )so i do know what im talking about,best website to go on is

www.Whatreallyhappened.com

[MC Prussian]

9/11 Loose change has bad a negative effect on the Conspiracy theorists trying to get their views across.

Many people believe that this DVD was brought out so at a later date then government can de-bunk these ideas and make the rest of the Conspiracies lose Credibility,used to read all about the whole conspiracy ideas (Bush did it,Missiles,Pods etc) for about the past two years (until i had to get a job-no more college )so i do know what im talking about,best website to go on is

www.Whatreallyhappened.com

Thanks for the link, but I wish I could read any sense into your statement. It's too irritating, somehow.

[lcfcalan]

Hiya Alex, well you certainly got things going with this thread. These 'alternative theories' will always be around and up for discussion, so I will take things as they come and weigh things up as I see them at any given time that the 'new evidence' emerges.

My one real concern in among this debate . How come the US govt have banned this tape from generall sale ? We are given to believe that the USA is the land of the free. Why such censorship then on someones theory ?

Jordan ? any view on that ?

[Gamesmaster]

A new movie has shown up:

9/11 Loose Change on Google Video

in this video (of which there's a 2nd edition if you look) it's mentioned that osama bin laden recieved medical attention in a dubia hospital, and was visited by the CIA on july 4th.

in the video at the bottom of this page (just past the cars picture), Jack kelly, a war correspondent for usa today, spoke to osama around the same time.

Then on sept 11, after speaking to the former secratary of state, kelly said "osama bin laden appears to be the number 1 suspect, ONLY OBL has the sufistication to carry off a multiple co-ordinated attack".

Question, how does he know OBL is the ONLY person capable of this? Did he just assume so, i might after hearing bin landens mob describing thats what they wanted to do.

OR, was he told to say this by the US government?

OR, its not unusual for journalists to take foreign trips with politicians, did the US government take him along to interview bin laden's mob, thus eventually tell the world who the US government wanted people to think did it???

In the Loose change dvd, they describe how since 1998 the american's have been looking for bin laden, why didnt they get him in july 2001???

[eaststandtom]

if the planes were military then what about the families of those killed who were on the planes?

[Manwell Pablo]

You don't actually believe that, do you?

Don't get me wrong, the conspiracy theorists arguments are riddled with holes, but it's equally ridiculous to imagine that the US is in Iraq for any other reason than to plunder Iraq's oilfields.

The point I was making was, where as they may be nicking some Iraqy oil, I doubt they would go through all of the above, just to get at it.

Swiss my points make alot more sense then someone who has commerical airplanes disapperaing into thin air and the CIA shooting missiles at their own headquaters.

[Ric Flair]

There's alot of stuff that does make you think there's more than meets the eye with this. I'm unsure what to believe really.

[shen]

The point I was making was, where as they may be nicking some Iraqy oil, I doubt they would go through all of the above, just to get at it.

Swiss my points make alot more sense then someone who has commerical airplanes disapperaing into thin air and the CIA shooting missiles at their own headquaters.

Why is that so doubtful? Iraq have one of the biggest oil reserves in the world, and the US economy is almost entirely built up on oil. What they went through is peanuts in relation to what they could/will gain.

[LCFC UK]

The point I was making was, where as they may be nicking some Iraqy oil, I doubt they would go through all of the above, just to get at it.

Its hardly nicking abit of oil.

One of the stronger reasons why the goverment would kill there own people is because before that had taken place, no one would have supported the war in Iraq.

With this the people would be right behind them to go and slay all people of Iraq and take over as much oil as possible, although that is hardly working.

Just one theory ive read.

[Manwell Pablo]

Its hardly nicking abit of oil.

One of the stronger reasons why the goverment would kill there own people is because before that had taken place, no one would have supported the war in Iraq.

With this the people would be right behind them to go and slay all people of Iraq and take over as much oil as possible, although that is hardly working.

Just one theory ive read.

Alright you've all managed to find fault in one of my points.

read the rest of it. If you want to go to war with Iraq, why fit up Osama Bin Laden as the attacker. If Osama bin Ladens being paid for taking the blame, why have him hiding in Afganistan instead of Iraq. The whole Afgansistan war is pointless and needn't of taken place. If the American govenmant had planned 9/11 It wouldn't of.

Does anybody actually have any figures of the amount of oil the yanks are taking off Iraq.

[Dr The Singh]

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Does anybody actually have any figures of the amount of oil the yanks are taking off Iraq.

I know how much oil US are directly taking if any, from what i read in the past, most of thr 'rebuilding' contracts etc have been given to US and UK firms and the US are also charging Iraq for all 'consulting' of the running of Iraq!!!!

[Dr The Singh]

Sorry i had a typo error

Does anybody actually have any figures of the amount of oil the yanks are taking off Iraq.

I don't know how much oil US are directly taking if any, from what i read in the past, most of thr 'rebuilding' contracts etc have been given to US and UK firms and the US are also charging Iraq for all 'consulting' of the running of Iraq!!!!