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[ClaphamFox]

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/claude-puel-ignoring-speculation-over-1513360

 

www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/10879124/claude-puel-ignoring-speculation-over-southampton-future

[davieG]

14 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/claude-puel-ignoring-speculation-over-1513360

 

www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/10879124/claude-puel-ignoring-speculation-over-southampton-future

What else is he or any other manager struggling supposed to say it's par for the course for all of them. Nothing new or original there.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

What else is he or any other manager struggling supposed to say it's par for the course for all of them. Nothing new or original there.

I know. I just thought the parallels with his position exactly a year ago were interesting.

[davieG]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

I know. I just thought the parallels with his position exactly a year ago were interesting.

Well there's certainly the start of a pattern emerging. If he doesn't last here then I'd suggest his PL managerial career is over and it's back to France.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well there's certainly the start of a pattern emerging. If he doesn't last here then I'd suggest his PL managerial career is over and it's back to France.

Why?

 

Taking Southampton to 8th and a cup final

Taking us to top half and two creditable cup runs.

 

Seems a lot better than Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes and all the others who keep getting prem jobs.

[daddylonglegs]

Just now, FIF said:

Why?

 

Taking Southampton to 8th and a cup final

Taking us to top half and two creditable cup runs.

 

Seems a lot better than Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes and all the others who keep getting prem jobs.

Were you at Palace...

[davieG]

1 minute ago, FIF said:

Why?

 

Taking Southampton to 8th and a cup final

Taking us to top half and two creditable cup runs.

 

Seems a lot better than Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes and all the others who keep getting prem jobs.

I guess if you compare him to those then yeah it does warrant a Why? But he's gained a reputation true or not that he can't get his ideas and general management through to a predominantly English squad  which is what most mid and lower PL teams consist of.

[cc_star]

13 minutes ago, FIF said:

Why?

 

Taking Southampton to 8th and a cup final

Taking us to top half and two creditable cup runs.

 

Seems a lot better than Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes and all the others who keep getting prem jobs.

Southampton had 8th highest wage bill that season. League position should be unexpected. The cup run was good though, makes us getting knocked out with a whimper more bizarre

 

But cripes

 

Taking 7th highest wage bill to 9th (maybe 10th, 11th or 12th yet) isn't a great achievement, many could have done it - following defeats to Arsenal, Utd & Chelsea in our 1st 5 games of the season.

 

2 creditable cup runs? Most notable for being knocked out while we faded to grey against teams we could have beaten on the day - If we'd just had a bit oomph about our play, until then our only result in the cup was against Liverpool reserves, unless you count Sheffield Utd, Peterborough & Fleetwood as stern opposition.

 

And who cares about Allardyce (who's now comfortably above us by the way, despite not getting buy-in from the players or fans), Pardew & Hughes do. It doesn't mean we HAVE to employ any of them or their like.

Edited 30 April 2018 by cc_star

[MC Prussian]

6 minutes ago, FIF said:

Why?

 

Taking Southampton to 8th and a cup final

Taking us to top half and two creditable cup runs.

 

Seems a lot better than Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes and all the others who keep getting prem jobs.

As far as the League Cup is concerned, without the work done by his predecessors, that wouldn't have happened.

 

And as far as "taking us to the top half" goes, he's also the one currently taking us down to possibly 11th place.

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Were you at Palace...

I watched Palace - were you there then? Did Mahrez look any better live than he did on HD TV? 

 

30 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

As far as the League Cup is concerned, without the work done by his predecessors, that wouldn't have happened.

 

And as far as "taking us to the top half" goes, he's also the one currently taking us down to possibly 11th place.

All his performances are built on the work done by his predecessors - the squad is that of NP/Ranieri/Shakey. He hasn't had a summer to buy or to put his plan into action.

 

Still let's just react like fools and keep sacking managers every season - maybe 2 a season.

 

If we actually had this awe inspiring, city changing manager all lined up then I could understand the reactions of FT readers but seeing as we haven't I'll keep my knee jerking under control.

[Ian S]

7 minutes ago, FIF said:

I watched Palace - were you there then? Did Mahrez look any better live than he did on HD TV? 

 

All his performances are built on the work done by his predecessors - the squad is that of NP/Ranieri/Shakey. He hasn't had a summer to buy or to put his plan into action.

 

Still let's just react like fools and keep sacking managers every season - maybe 2 a season.

 

If we actually had this awe inspiring, city changing manager all lined up then I could understand the reactions of FT readers but seeing as we haven't I'll keep my knee jerking under control.

Having read many of your posts I am convinced you actually don't watch us or certainly haven't in the last few months.TV highlights can be misleading.

[Bob Hazels shorts]

If hes not right which his baffling tinkering and man management/ motivational skills suggest time to move him on, can't keep the guy to save face.

 

Hand him our summer transfer budget?

 

In general footie fans are not wrong about past managers. 

 

 

[lee7]

47 minutes ago, cc_star said:

Southampton had 8th highest wage bill that season. League position should be unexpected. The cup run was good though, makes us getting knocked out with a whimper more bizarre

 

But cripes

 

Taking 7th highest wage bill to 9th (maybe 10th, 11th or 12th yet) isn't a great achievement, many could have done it - following defeats to Arsenal, Utd & Chelsea in our 1st 5 games of the season.

 

2 creditable cup runs? Most notable for being knocked out while we faded to grey against teams we could have beaten on the day - If we'd just had a bit oomph about our play, until then our only result in the cup was against Liverpool reserves, unless you count Sheffield Utd, Peterborough & Fleetwood as stern opposition.

 

And who cares about Allardyce (who's now comfortably above us by the way, despite not getting buy-in from the players or fans), Pardew & Hughes do. It doesn't mean we HAVE to employ any of them or their like.

 I completely agree. It always baffles me when people talk about our cup runs under him as though we had beaten some real quality opposition. 

We beat teams we should be beating and lost two quarter finals that were both their for the taking. 

 

Puels start in management here was exceptional for the first 5/6 matches. Since then we've been absolute gash in most games. Unless people think passing the ball backwards and sideways is good football. 

[daddylonglegs]

5 minutes ago, FIF said:

I watched Palace - were you there then? Did Mahrez look any better live than he did on HD TV? 

I was - I'm more responding to your comment that 'seems a lot better' than Allardyce et al...

It's been shocking under Puel for a while now. For the sake of not chopping and changing I, and many others, tried to defend him with the fact that we're in transition & he's giving youth a chance... but I cannot see how he is defended now. His persistence with James, Simpson and Morgan coupled with his refusal to consistently start Iborra, Silva & Dragovic has seen me fall well and truly in the Puel Out camp. He's just lost 5-0 at a team in a relegation battle. We've played so many teams beneath us in the league and failed to beat them. Watford, Stoke, Swansea, Newcastle, Southampton, Everton, Bournemouth, Stoke again. I've highlighted in bold the teams that are inexcusable to not beat. Watford hadn't won in about 9 games. Stoke & Swansea you needn't say more. Bournemouth, Everton & Newcastle all fall into the category of being very very beatable - So to pick up 1 point from a possible 9 is shocking. 

[Bunyip]

Here's a little something to take your mind off things.

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, Ian S said:

Having read many of your posts I am convinced you actually don't watch us or certainly haven't in the last few months.TV highlights can be misleading.

I see that you're from Burbage, your comments however are from Garbage. I'm quite sure I've watched more Leicester City football than you have and I don't watch highlights, it's your comments that seem to be misleading or misfounded.

 

I'm merely giving my opinion as I have about every manager we've had since Jimmy Bloomfield. In my opinion he hasn't had long enough and he's a lot better than many of the managers (that would actually come to Leicester) that some people are talking about. You and the other knee jerkers can disagree, that's fine.

 

47 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

I was - I'm more responding to your comment that 'seems a lot better' than Allardyce et al...

It's been shocking under Puel for a while now. For the sake of not chopping and changing I, and many others, tried to defend him with the fact that we're in transition & he's giving youth a chance... but I cannot see how he is defended now. His persistence with James, Simpson and Morgan coupled with his refusal to consistently start Iborra, Silva & Dragovic has seen me fall well and truly in the Puel Out camp. He's just lost 5-0 at a team in a relegation battle. We've played so many teams beneath us in the league and failed to beat them. Watford, Stoke, Swansea, Newcastle, Southampton, Everton, Bournemouth, Stoke again. I've highlighted in bold the teams that are inexcusable to not beat. Watford hadn't won in about 9 games. Stoke & Swansea you needn't say more. Bournemouth, Everton & Newcastle all fall into the category of being very very beatable - So to pick up 1 point from a possible 9 is shocking. 

 

We're 9th and the simply fact is that if Mahrez hadn't simply put down tools this season (or been half as good as people make out he is) we'd be competing for 6th as we were only a couple of weeks ago. The Prem league is much of a muchness and that's why the teams you've listed get results against everyone in the league including the top 5. I am disappointed with our recent performances but I don't see that as all down to Puel and I see that Puel wants to change it. I think you should be far more annoyed at Grayad Demahrez than Puel.

 

Simpson should have been moved out earlier - but with amartey getting injured I can understand the misplaced choice of simpson - at least now he has been. Fuchs thank God was sidelined after he stopped playing even before Mahrez. Morgan is getting a lot of unfair criticism, I wouldn't have brought him back in and I'd have kept playing Dragovic but Morgan hasn't been so terrible that he deserves some of the recent hate from fans plus we don't know any background to whether Dragovic has said he doesn't want to be at Leicester next season. James was another who gets unfair hate, he really hasn't been much worse than Iborra and so far Silva hasn't set the world alite.

 

Moving out the old guard and bringing in the new was bound to be a slow and painful experience. 9th is pretty good for a transition team who should have begun the transition straight after the title.

 

EDIT as I'm banned from posting at the moment:

 

This is a list of the players that many of FT and who want Puel out have complained about this season:

 

Kasper Schmeichel
Ben Hamer
Eldin Jakupovic
Danny Simpson
Ben Chilwell
Wes Morgan
Robert Huth
Harry Maguire
Christian Fuchs
Yohan Benalouane
Aleksandar Dragović
Josh Knight
Matty James
Marc Albrighton
Daniel Amartey 
Demarai Gray
Wilfred Ndidi
Riyad Mahrez
Vicente Iborra
Hamza Choudhury
Adrien Silva
Harvey Barnes
Andy King
Jamie Vardy
Shinji Okazaki
Kelechi Iheanacho
Fousseni Diabaté
Leonardo Ulloa
Islam Slimani
Ahmed Musa

 

Edited 30 April 2018 by Guest
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[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 hour ago, cc_star said:

Southampton had 8th highest wage bill that season. League position should be unexpected. The cup run was good though, makes us getting knocked out with a whimper more bizarre

 

But cripes

 

Taking 7th highest wage bill to 9th (maybe 10th, 11th or 12th yet) isn't a great achievement, many could have done it - following defeats to Arsenal, Utd & Chelsea in our 1st 5 games of the season.

 

2 creditable cup runs? Most notable for being knocked out while we faded to grey against teams we could have beaten on the day - If we'd just had a bit oomph about our play, until then our only result in the cup was against Liverpool reserves, unless you count Sheffield Utd, Peterborough & Fleetwood as stern opposition.

 

And who cares about Allardyce (who's now comfortably above us by the way, despite not getting buy-in from the players or fans), Pardew & Hughes do. It doesn't mean we HAVE to employ any of them or their like.

This.

 

And... the ‘Cup runs’ involved mainly struggling to beat lower league opponents I believe. 

[Guest Markyblue]

Have we become the entitled club we used to hate so much. He's pretty much playing a team not of his chooing in a different way.he has made mistakes the biggest of which should have been Binning the mahrez the man who can do no wrong on here despite dumping on us and probably killing our season.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

48 minutes ago, lee7 said:

 I completely agree. It always baffles me when people talk about our cup runs under him as though we had beaten some real quality opposition. 

We beat teams we should be beating and lost two quarter finals that were both their for the taking. 

 

Puels start in management here was exceptional for the first 5/6 matches. Since then we've been absolute gash in most games. Unless people think passing the ball backwards and sideways is good football. 

Seriously some people on here DO think that possesion football, passing sideways and backwards is good football; I’ve seen it written! 

[Guest Markyblue]

3 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Seriously some people on here DO think that possesion football, passing sideways and backwards is good football; I’ve seen it written! 

When people say we should play how we did when we won the league don't you realise we got sussed the season after and the players completely over performed never a chance of repeating it.we have to find anew way and that is painful and taxing but we can' just keep banging the ball up to vardy

 

[MC Prussian]

7 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Have we become the entitled club we used to hate so much. He's pretty much playing a team not of his chooing in a different way.he has made mistakes the biggest of which should have been Binning the mahrez the man who can do no wrong on here despite dumping on us and probably killing our season.

Why do fans in favour of this manager or with more patience than others accuse other fans of the same club of a sense of "entitlement"?

I don't get it.

 

If you were to conduct a survey amongst regular matchday spectators at the KP, I'm sure you'd find that most of our fans know our place very well in context.

No reasonable supporter would expect us to become a Top Six side at any point in the near future.

Reasons why people are critical of the club right now vary tenfold, but many circle around the same areas. And it's not just all down to the manager, but he's the one to walk first.

You can like it or not, that's the way it goes. I'm not saying I'd be overly happy with Puel getting the axe, but he's clearly brought it onto himself since mid-December.

 

We can, however, ask for good football, more effective football, good team performances. If we lose, then at least by putting up a fight. With a manager who inspires his players and players who fit the bill and who love playing for the blue shirt. Attributes that made this club so great in recent years, ever since Pearson took over.

None of this is currently in effect, the last eighteen league matches have been mostly a real disappointment and are leading to disenfranchisement.

Who can seriously relate to the team or the manager right now?

Who can seriously identify with the club at the moment?

 

You say it yourself - he's deploying a system with players that aren't his. Why? It started off so well, and look where we are now...

[NotTheMarketLeader]

16 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

When people say we should play how we did when we won the league don't you realise we got sussed the season after and the players completely over performed never a chance of repeating it.we have to find anew way and that is painful and taxing but we can' just keep banging the ball up to vardy

 

Er....

 

I don’t know why you’ve written that; it’s nothing to do with what I said.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

15 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Why do fans in favour of this manager or with more patience than others accuse other fans of the same club of a sense of "entitlement"?

I don't get it.

 

If you were to conduct a survey amongst regular matchday spectators at the KP, I'm sure you'd find that most of our fans know our place very well in context.

No reasonable supporter would expect us to become a Top Six side at any point in the near future.

Reasons why people are critical of the club right now vary tenfold, but many circle around the same areas. And it's not just all down to the manager, but he's the one to walk first.

You can like it or not, that's the way it goes. I'm not saying I'd be overly happy with Puel getting the axe, but he's clearly brought it onto himself since mid-December.

 

We can, however, ask for good football, more effective football, good team performances. If we lose, then at least by putting up a fight. With a manager who inspires his players and players who fit the bill and who love playing for the blue shirt. Attributes that made this club so great in recent years, ever since Pearson took over.

None of this is currently in effect, the last eighteen league matches have been mostly a real disappointment and are leading to disenfranchisement.

Who can seriously relate to the team or the manager right now?

Who can seriously identify with the club at the moment?

 

You say it yourself - he's deploying a system with players that aren't his. Why? It started off so well, and look where we are now...

Exactly.

 

I and many other can’t be arsed to go to watch the shit this has now become.

 

If you care for the club, Puel’s brand of football is a negative experience as a whole.

 

If he is in charge come close season and we don’t get a decent appointment I can see the best players leaving.

 

We will then be completely ****ed; it’s now that serious a situation we have now.

Edited 30 April 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[davieG]

2 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Exactly.

 

I and many other can’t be arsed to go to watch the shit this has now become.

 

If you care for the club, Puel’s brand of football is a negative experience as a whole.

 

If he is in charge come close season and we don’t get a decent appointment I can see the best players leaving.

 

We will then be completely ****ed; it’s now that serious a situation we have now.

Who are these best players you're worried about losing I haven't seen any in recent games. Based on those performances they can all go.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

40 minutes ago, davieG said:

Who are these best players you're worried about losing I haven't seen any in recent games. Based on those performances they can all go.

Yeah I know what you mean. 

 

In all seriousness; Vardy, Ndiddi and Maguire could be tempted.