BenFilbert Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Same team. Give them time (i'm getting fed up of saying that but it's true)
BenFilbert Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 It's different, I'll give you that! I'd change your line up like this: ----------------------------Douglas---------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---Stearman-----Gerrbrand--------McCarthy--------Sheehan--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------Gudjonsson------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------Williams--------------------------Hughes---------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------Hume------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------MDV----------------------------Elvis-------------------- I've been thinking of that. Not those players though. I would keep the same team now though
Hitesh Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Pace will be the key and we need to be "brave" ( ) and attacking from the off. Play Hume jsut behind De Vries and Hammond with Hughes in the midfield with Hammil and Sylla out wide. It means we might lose out in the middle on occasions but we would be a threat up front. If not then play the 3 up front, with Hume and Hammond out wide, and have Hughes, Gudjonsen and Williams in thw middle. I say Williams because he will be able to be creative and you know hes gonna be lazy/ball watching but at less of a risk because you have the other MC's. In defence, i can see Maybury coming back in. Thats the team/possibility i would like to see but i just dont know what to think CL will do next and how well we will do! PS: sorry bout the layout...just started writing and cant be assed to change it!
King Kyle lcfc Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Douglas Stearman Gerrbrand Mccarthy Johansson Hughes Gudjohnson Tiatto Hammond Dublin Hume Subs MDV Kisnorbo Sheehan Sylla Henderson
lush Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 -------------------------Douglas -----------Macarthy--Gerrbrand--Johanson Stearman------kisnorbo------Tiatto---------Sheehan -------------------------Hughes ----------------Hammond------Hume
Thracian Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 -------------------------Douglas -----------Macarthy--Gerrbrand--Johanson Stearman------kisnorbo------Tiatto---------Sheehan -------------------------Hughes ----------------Hammond------Hume Interesting approach that one. Doubt it would work without some preparation on the training ground. Also very lacking in any sort of aerial strength both front and back. Don't think I'd dare risk it in the circumstances.
Muz Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Douglas Stearmen Gerrbrand McCarthy Sheehan Hammond Williams Kisnorbo Hughes Hume Dublin - Not sure if he is past it striker wise but he cant be anyworse than that plonker de Vries upfront last night
lush Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Interesting approach that one. Doubt it would work without some preparation on the training ground. Also very lacking in any sort of aerial strength both front and back. Don't think I'd dare risk it in the circumstances. Isnt hammond and hughes tall, with kiso getting forward, stearman front and back. gerrbrand and johanson at the back. If we are to play an attractive attacking game, we wont need ariel ability. What do ya wana do, lump it up to de lump for 90mins. Bring back bertie basset, thats what i say
Libertine Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Isnt hammond and hughes tall, with kiso getting forward, stearman front and back. gerrbrand and johanson at the back. If we are to play an attractive attacking game, we wont need ariel ability. What do ya wana do, lump it up to de lump for 90mins. Bring back bertie basset, thats what i say No, but we might be forced to against a Micky Adams team.
Hazza Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Douglas Stearman Gerrbrand Dublin Sheehan Hughes Williams Gudjonsson Hamill Hume Hammond ___________________ I was delighted when we got Johansson but he's not a left back and was far too hoof-happy last night, can't play alongside Dion for lack of pace in the middle and Dublin's form is better. McCarthy's not done a lot wrong but i'd be more comfortable with Gerrbrand there. Williams and Joey in the middle because we're at home against poor opposition so both are comfortable on the ball. Hamill impressed me in parts last night, just lacked the delivery really but if we have Hume and Hammond up front then i'm sure Humey will be dropping deep looking for short passes anyway. That's also why i left Sylla out, he, like Hamill, looked promising last night but was too inconsistent in beating players and crosses (though the latter were mostly poor), but with Hume and Hammond up front i doubt we'd need two wingers putting balls in, so Hughes can drift a bit.
The People's Hero Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 It's like casting different actors to play pre-defined roles in an already written play. The outcome is the same whichever personnel are employed whilst the system and tactics are so poor!
Thracian Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 It's like casting different actors to play pre-defined roles in an already written play. The outcome is the same whichever personnel are employed whilst the system and tactics are so poor! A sound observation but, apart from firing the manager (extraordinarily expensive and disruptive) is there anything else, or more precisely, what, would you do?
The People's Hero Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 A sound observation but, apart from firing the manager (extraordinarily expensive and disruptive) is there anything else, or more precisely, what, would you do? Well my suggestions are usually dismissed as what I should be doing is sycophantically going along with everything CL says.... Seriously Thracian, you talk a lot of sense and seem to know a bit about the game. What I am looking for, and I think you are too, is a team which plays with its heart on its sleeve. Never fails for want of trying. Also, tries to play enterprising, penetrative, attractive football. I'm looking for a side which is willing to forge its own destiny. We have a lot of young.. and we're told, hungry players. I don't get the impression that that hunger is coming across from a lot of them. My opinion on this is that perhaps they are not receiving sufficient direction, guidance, instructions whatever from manager and coaches alike. We seem to be lacking in guile, gameplan.. etc. It's all very honest and industrious but where is the spark? How are we trying to score? By lumping the ball towards a big man who can't head it?? For what its worth, I believe we have a sound enough playing staff. Certainly good enough for top six. We should be going at teams, we have no one to fear in this division. I, like you, believe that we should be playing a left back at left back. We should be asking our full backs, particularly at home to work hard and offer something going forwards. When you come up against dogged sides with 5 in midfield, you need to utilise your full backs, get them forwards, give those 5 players something to think about. My suggestions then is to do the following: 1) Encourage the side to play with a more attacking outlook. Being worried about conceding is fine, as long as it doesn't stifle the side so much that we never look like scoring ourselves. 2) Give Gilbert/Sheehan a run at left back, enabling them to build up confidence and understanding with the back four. 3) Look at the weaknesses in other sides. Levein doesn't seem to do this. He often spends time worrying about their strengths, a nervousness which is all too evident on the field at times, but rarely seems to devise a strategy to attempt to exploit the weakness of others. 4) Try to play to feet as much as possible, or in to space. Movement needs to be encouraged. The occasional offside or misplaced pass whilst trying to score a goal is preferable to keeping it for 4 minutes and getting nowhere playing nothing, no-risk balls and then lumping it long! I just don't think what we're seeing at the moment is good enough. Ultimately the buck stops with Levein. It must do, he's been here a while now and his team should be making great strides. He has had financial backing. He has been able to bring in players he wants. It's just not good enough in my eyes. I accept that its hard to follow the MON era but still, we're better than this surely? I just despair and get fed up of being made to feel like I'm not a proper supporter just because I don't believe that the club is being run right. I'll leave you with this thought.. Is Levein too stubborn/stupid to learn from his repeated mistakes??
Bert Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 Big Rab Maybury NEJ (LB) Dublin McCarthy Sylla Tiatto Hughes Gudjonsson Hume MDV subs: Henderson Stearman Williams Kisnorbo Hammond
Louise Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 It's like casting different actors to play pre-defined roles in an already written play. The outcome is the same whichever personnel are employed whilst the system and tactics are so poor! Nice analogy, I don't agree, but I like it
The People's Hero Posted 19 October 2005 Posted 19 October 2005 It's up there in my favourite two LCFC related analogies of mine.
supedaj Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Although I dont see it happening, I would prefer to see the following agaionst Cov on Sunday; ------------------------------------ -------------Douglas-------------------- ----------------------------------------- ---Maybury---McCarthy--Nissa-------- ------------------------------------------ -Momo--Hughes--Kisnorbo--Sheehan- ------------------------------------------- ------------Hume------------------------ ------------------------------------------- --------Hammond---MDV---------------- -------------------------------------------- Subs : Henderson, Dublin, Hammill, Joey, Tiatto Defence I'd drop Dublin even though he's been playing ok. We need to use him sparingly and when we're at home we should try and play the passing style and dictate the game. Unfortunately this game may be too early for Gerrbrand's debut as a few mistakes could easily be picked on by leicester faithful. Maybury deserves a run out after Stearmans performance. McCarthy has been decent and should keep his place. NILS should play, but adopting a more central role allowing him to concentrate on what he knows best rather than a LB. Midfield Momo and Sheehan should be bombing up and down the wings, allowing the three central defenders to concentrate solely on defensive duties. If we get outnumbered in defence the two wing backs could make their way back to help out, and we would still have sufficient midfield clout. Hume can always drop back or surge forward depending on the circumstances - even though he is no great tackler, an extra man in the above midfield would help close down any Cov moves. I'd give Kisnorbo another chance in midfield, maybe last game was a blip after Watford. Sheehan has the pace and energy to play a wing back role, he'd be good at crossing and also tracking back to help the defenders. This would also work to our advantage as if Sheehan dropped back we could alternate between 3-4-3 (more attacking with Hume and Sheehan playing advanced roles) and 4-4-2 (Both Sheehan and Hume dropping back) - Hume could take the left midfield slot and we wouldnt look outnumbered. If defensively we were getting skinned that side, we coudl bring on Tiatto for Kisnorbo to provide some balance. Attack Hammond wasnt great but not bad either against Burnely - a shame he was taken off. I think he will be a big prob for Coventry on Sunday - his pace and trickery will be a big asset. I'd keep dublin on the bench and put him on after 60 mins if we arent taking our heading chances. Subs Our subs would definitely provide a bite if we were lacking at any point. Joey, Tiatto, Dublin are 3 I would prefer to bring on at any point should teh original gameplan not go correctly. With Tiatto and Dublin the added advantage is we get a choice as to where to put them aswell ... Tiatto -> Nils, Sheehan, Kisnorbo Dublin -> Nils, McCarthy, Maybury, MDV, Hammond We are at home so the onus will be on us to take the game fwd. MA will know we are wounded after our patchy form and may look to play for a draw and maybe crowd out the midfield. The above formation gives us pace, flexibility and balance on both sides - just what we need for a Derby at home, and against MA. Come on CITY!!
lush Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 No, but we might be forced to against a Micky Adams team. But as the People`s hero and deep freeze lover BenFilbert says, he cant head the f-in ball. LETS FORCE OUR GAME ON THEM? 3 CB`s (2 can fill in at RB, 1 can fill in at LB) 2 with good enough pace and all can head the facker away. 2 young wing backs in stearman and sheehan who`ll run all day and all night, who`ll have a free role to bomb it down the wings because the full back ares are covered, then supporting ALL attacks. 2 holding midfielders that can fill in at full back. They will work all day and all night for the cause, by defending the defense, and supporting hughes. Hughes playing a dedicated free role in supporting the front 2, and getting in on the attacking action, without needing to defend. AND 2 quick and skillfull STRIKERS who`ll be fed the ball on the ground, will run at their defense with trickery and put them under pressure. ----------Macarthy--Gerrbrand--Johanson Stearman-----Kisnorbo------Tiatto------Sheehan ------------------------Hughes -------------Hammond--------Hume For me, its about using the players we have in the formation that most suits them.
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 GK Big Rab- did nothing wrong tonight RB Stearman- as above plus provided width in attack CB Paddy CB Dion- both solid LB Sheehan- who else is there RM Momo- did ok got some crosses in CM Tiatto- Kisnorbo was utter garbadge CM Hughes- Our best player by far LM Hammil- Should play when ever smith isnt availible ST Elvis- lively a constanty thret ST Hume- as a pair looked good verses the sheep and Covs back line is slow as fook Subs Henderson Gerrbrand Williams MdV Joey Wouldnt say Matty Heath is that slow.
breadandcheese Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 I'll get slated for this but here's my team GK - Henderson RB - Stearman CB - McCarthy CB - Dublin LB - Johansson - I would play Johansson to counter Micky's genius tactical ploy of playing one slow big man on the wing. Coventry woul play narrow so it would be a bonus for Johansson to tuck in on the left. RW - Sylla CM - Kisnorbo - Need the height and effort in the centre CM - Williams - Need him for his vision and ability to spread the ball. We need to use the wings. LW - Wilcox - Didn't think Hamill played well at all ST - De Vries - Against Heath, I think he would have the better of him ST - Hume - His pace and intelligent runs would cause a problem Subs - Douglas, Elvis, Hughes, Gerrbrand, Maybury
lush Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 I'll get slated for this but here's my team LB - Johansson - I would play Johansson to counter Micky's genius tactical ploy of playing one slow big man on the wing. Coventry woul play narrow so it would be a bonus for Johansson to tuck in on the left. CM - Williams - Need him for his vision and ability to spread the ball. We need to use the wings. LW - Wilcox - Didn't think Hamill played well at all ST - De Vries - Against Heath, I think he would have the better of him lush pics up slates , but then realises that b&c means MA will play scowy on the right, good spot. Ahh, i can now use them slates because you pick williams wilcox and de lump.
breadandcheese Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 lush pics up slates , but then realises that b&c means MA will play scowy on the right, good spot. Ahh, i can now use them slates because you pick williams wilcox and de lump. Ha ha, I knew I could rely on you lush. We all know Micky has about as much tactical ability as a bog brush lacking in bristles. Johansson will counter his tactical threat. I still have a bit of faith in Williams. If we play with wingers and make sure they stay wide, Williams will deliver the balls to them and pull all the strings. Admittedly, Wilcox is out of desperation. You've got me there, but I am struggling for a good left winger who is available. De Vries will hold Heath off all game. Of that I am sure. If De Vries has better service, he will be a different player to Tuesday. When De Vries has decent service, he is not a terrible player. Play a clever forward alongside him (Hume) and I think De Vries will play much better. Failing that, lump him off and bring Elvis on in the second half.
lush Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 We all know Micky has about as much tactical ability as a bog brush lacking in bristles. Johansson will counter his tactical threat. Admittedly, Wilcox is out of desperation. You've got me there, but I am struggling for a good left winger who is available. De Vries will hold Heath off all game. Of that I am sure. If De Vries has better service, he will be a different player to Tuesday. When De Vries has decent service, he is not a terrible player. Play a clever forward alongside him (Hume) and I think De Vries will play much better. Failing that, lump him off and bring Elvis on in the second half. Why is it about what MA will do? Sheehan as wing back? Again, why is it about us holding them off, and a striker too. The last part of your last statment suggests you dont have much faith in de lump. When i say play hammond and hume, im not even thinking about putting de lump on unless it gets desperate.
breadandcheese Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 Why is it about what MA will do? Sheehan as wing back? Again, why is it about us holding them off, and a striker too. The last part of your last statment suggests you dont have much faith in de lump. When i say play hammond and hume, im not even thinking about putting de lump on unless it gets desperate. I'm a great believer in outwitting your opponent through tactical means. Therefore it is massively important what MA will do. If we nullify MA's tactics, they will have nothing to hurt us. We can then build on that and use our own tactical ploys to defeat them. I think a 3-5-2 against a Micky Adam's team is a waste of time. Coventry will play hoofball and bypass the midfield (with Scowcroft moving from midfield to attack on the flank). We do not therefore need a 5 man midfield to compete with Coventry and instead would be better served with a midfield 4 playing with width. With regards De Vries, he can turn up one game and be great. He can turn up the next and be poor. At the moment, he is averaging a good performance every other game. He is now due a good game on Sunday. There's my tip for you. De Vries to score first goal on Sunday.
samlcfc1 Posted 20 October 2005 Posted 20 October 2005 i hope he starts joey gudjonnson instead of paddy kisnorbo
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