Dames 890 Posted 30 December 2020 Report Share Posted 30 December 2020 4 hours ago, pmcla26 said: When we were going for play offs in the Championship we didn’t used to complain about losing to the top 6 or so teams, but we did get frustrated with losses to the bottom sides. Now we’re going for the top 6 in the Prem, we don’t really complain that much about losses to the top sides but complain when we lose to the bottom sides. Simple as that really. It’s irrelevant of what division you’re in - you’re going to be annoyed at your team losing to weaker opposition and not be as bothered by stronger teams beating you. Exactly this and we’ve been dropping points against weaker or level opposition for years now, its not a new problem but its one thats not getting solved. Rodgers has had nearly 2 years to solve it and he’s still not even close to getting more consistency against those types of teams and he deserves to be questioned on that. Just as much as he deserves the plaudits for his results against the stronger teams. On balance he’s doing very well but he could be doing so much better and thats whats frustrating. Its not a crime to want and hope for more from the team or manager when its within reason. Doesn’t matter what dross was playing for us 10-15 years ago. Its irrelevant. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pmcla26 2,185 Posted 30 December 2020 Report Share Posted 30 December 2020 2 minutes ago, Dames said: Exactly this and we’ve been dropping points against weaker or level opposition for years now, its not a new problem but its one thats not getting solved. Rodgers has had nearly 2 years to solve it and he’s still not even close to getting more consistency against those types of teams and he deserves to be questioned on that. Just as much as he deserves the plaudits for his results against the stronger teams. On balance he’s doing very well but he could be doing so much better and thats whats frustrating. Its not a crime to want and hope for more from the team or manager when its within reason. Doesn’t matter what dross was playing for us 10-15 years ago. Its irrelevant. Yeah definitely. I think Rodgers is doing a fantastic job, but it’s just the difference between making it an 8/10 job that he’s doing or a 9 or a 10. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chocolate Teapot 3,895 Posted 30 December 2020 Report Share Posted 30 December 2020 1 hour ago, Vazman said: Why not Nuno I think he has done a decent job with Wolves, and is straight talking, agree with the rest although Dean Smith isnt all that bad. Cos I think brendan is a better manager than him.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chocolate Teapot 3,895 Posted 30 December 2020 Report Share Posted 30 December 2020 1 hour ago, winteriscoming said: Sorry ancellotti probably not. You’ve got to be joking the blokes won everything. Either him or hassenhuttl for me. At this stage of his career? He's just after a paycheck, building nothing long term at Everton. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vazman 140 Posted 30 December 2020 Report Share Posted 30 December 2020 1 minute ago, Abrasive fox said: Cos I think brendan is a better manager than him.... Not disputing that for one minute, just pointing out that your list has some decent alternative managers on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winteriscoming 1,112 Posted 30 December 2020 Report Share Posted 30 December 2020 14 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: At this stage of his career? He's just after a paycheck, building nothing long term at Everton. Maybe. Could say that a lot about many managers. Personally think there are better options abroad if Brendan did go. Unfortunately with no previous pl experience which seems the way our owners go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anglodanglo 858 Posted 30 December 2020 Report Share Posted 30 December 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Dames said: Exactly this and we’ve been dropping points against weaker or level opposition for years now, its not a new problem but its one thats not getting solved. Rodgers has had nearly 2 years to solve it and he’s still not even close to getting more consistency against those types of teams and he deserves to be questioned on that. Just as much as he deserves the plaudits for his results against the stronger teams. On balance he’s doing very well but he could be doing so much better and thats whats frustrating. Its not a crime to want and hope for more from the team or manager when its within reason. Doesn’t matter what dross was playing for us 10-15 years ago. Its irrelevant. Within reason I absolutely agree. Rodgers deservedly gets criticism for our dodgy home form. Onto his 20/21 record against so called weaker or level opposition. Here's the current bottom 10 along with our W/D/L record against the 9 we've so far played - starting rock bottom and moving up - . W - Sheff Utd W - Wba L - Fulham W - Brighton W - Burnley D - Palace W - Arsenal W - Wolves W - Leeds P9 W7 D1 L1 Edited 31 December 2020 by Anglodanglo 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coolhandfox 3,071 Posted 31 December 2020 Report Share Posted 31 December 2020 2 hours ago, Anglodanglo said: Within reason I absolutely agree. Rodgers deservedly gets criticism for our dodgy home form. Onto his 20/21 record against so called weaker or level opposition - Especially subjective when taking in personal nuances on 'weaker or level'. But in the interests of debate, here's the current bottom 10 along with our W/D/L record against the 9 we've so far played - starting rock bottom and moving up - . W - Sheff Utd W - Wba L - Fulham W - Brighton W - Burnley D - Palace W - Arsenal W - Wolves W - Leeds P9 W7 D1 L1 Don't let facts get in the way of the narrative of the doom mongers 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jim5000 930 Posted 31 December 2020 Report Share Posted 31 December 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Anglodanglo said: Within reason I absolutely agree. Rodgers deservedly gets criticism for our dodgy home form. Onto his 20/21 record against so called weaker or level opposition - Especially subjective when taking in personal nuances on 'weaker or level'. But in the interests of debate, here's the current bottom 10 along with our W/D/L record against the 9 we've so far played - starting rock bottom and moving up - . W - Sheff Utd W - Wba L - Fulham W - Brighton W - Burnley D - Palace W - Arsenal W - Wolves W - Leeds P9 W7 D1 L1 We are doing better against current lower half teams than top 10 teams. You could argue that the likes of Arsenal, Wolves, and Leeds are in the bottom half because we beat them, not because they are bottom half teams. (stretching it a bit with Leeds who just came up). Our form against the current top 10 is poor. Top half L - Liverpool D - Man Utd L - Everton L - Aston Villa NP - Chelsea W - Tottenham W - Man City NP - Southampton L - West Ham P7 W2 D1 L4 Arguably, we are the king makers. The 'non-traditional top 6' teams we lost to are now in the top half, and the ones we beat are in the bottom half. The table is very compressed, and we could conceivably drop from 3rd to 11th with two bad results. Edited 31 December 2020 by jim5000 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeds Fox 1,550 Posted 31 December 2020 Report Share Posted 31 December 2020 4 hours ago, jim5000 said: The table is very compressed, and we could conceivably drop from 3rd to 11th with two bad results. I haven’t done the maths, but after a quick look at the fixtures, is that even possible? Even if it is, it’s extremely unlikely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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