Finances

[splinterdream]

20 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

What would happen though if another club comes along and offers him a salary of say 3m a year. Wouldn't we have to pay him 6 per year until his contract expires? He will get a job but Moyes is on 3m so I mean he would probably be lucky to get that from someone.

I guess he would have to negotiate with the club if they mutually agreed its best for him to go

[desertfox2]

1 minute ago, sm1 said:

Wonderful illustration of how little we actually spend. Even if you take the Fofana/Woet deals out the equation, we still have the 17th lowest net spend. Also FFP only applies if you qualify for Europe and we're a long way away from that, so why are the hierarchy so desperate to adhere to these rule immediately.

Wages are the problem. We spend a lot 

Edited 2 September 2022 by desertfox2
Spend

[splinterdream]

35 minutes ago, PoshhFox said:

Net spend in the last 5 seasons

What mystifies me is wolves have a smaller stadium than us, looks like they have a bigger squad yet their net spend dwarves ours, and he we are 

[HarryDee8]

The backroom team are responsible for having too many crap players on the books and negotiating irresponsible deals. They should have addressed that issue months ago so Brendan could bring in some better players

[desertfox2]

I don't think anyone outside of the top 6 pays more on wages than us so that's why our net transfer fee spend is misleading.

[turlo]

37 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Why aren't West Ham putting themselves on a self imposed transfer embargo?

Their wage bill is significantly lower than ours.

[Babylon]

32 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

What mystifies me is wolves have a smaller stadium than us, looks like they have a bigger squad yet their net spend dwarves ours, and he we are 

They spend £58m less per season in wages. Or did on the last released accounts.

[Babylon]

56 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

We can’t get away from the fact that we have a low nett spend model where we are trying to be sustainable whilst others are not. Moyes has a nerve moaning about the spend of West Ham and the narrative that levy doesn’t spend is put to bed.  Having made it to the top of the top table through questionable means, Man City are now running a pretty tight ship on fees. 

We spend the money on wages rather than fees. Hence our huge wage to revenue percentage. 

[splinterdream]

17 minutes ago, Babylon said:

They spend £58m less per season in wages. Or did on the last released accounts.

Is this one a load of rubbish? I've no idea.

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Is this one a load of rubbish? I've no idea.

Estimated 

And it likely won’t include this window 

[BKLFox]

43 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

That's a bit misleading though as it includes the money from Fofana which we had no time to spend, plus didn't trust Rodgers to spend in full and it doesn't account for wages. Where are we in the league table of wages? That would be interesting to see if you could find that.

It does go to show how well run and competitive we have been but those figures to the right just show how far away the others are going and to keep up the squad does need an injection of funds to stay fighting up there.

 

For all the ticking and whinging aimed at Rodgers I’ve just read that Conte says he needs another 3 windows just to compete for top 4 spots and understands the constraints the club has financially and he has to be realistic to understand that there are different clubs who can invest different money and the path is hard..

 

Thats after spending £172m this summer there would be mobs with pitchforks in the streets of Leicester if Rodgers said this, there is a whole lot of word bending being played out on here to attack Rodgers 

 

[desertfox2]

8 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

It does go to show how well run and competitive we have been but those figures to the right just show how far away the others are going and to keep up the squad does need an injection of funds to stay fighting up there.

 

For all the ticking and whinging aimed at Rodgers I’ve just read that Conte says he needs another 3 windows just to compete for top 4 spots and understands the constraints the club has financially and he has to be realistic to understand that there are different clubs who can invest different money and the path is hard..

 

Thats after spending £172m this summer there would be mobs with pitchforks in the streets of Leicester if Rodgers said this, there is a whole lot of word bending being played out on here to attack Rodgers 

 

The thing with Conte though is that he is saying it at a time Spurs seem to be making huge strides forward. With him at the helm it's basically a banker that if they give him the money he will get them in the Champions League at a minimum and I wouldn't bet against him bringing in Silverware. His signings are good players too. I get your point and at some point as fans we are going to have to get behind Rodgers because unless he goes we need him to be successful but ultimately its his poor transfer business that has put him and us here. His record at Liverpool for signings was terrible too so it's a recurring theme.

[BKLFox]

7 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

The thing with Conte though is that he is saying it at a time Spurs seem to be making huge strides forward. With him at the helm it's basically a banker that if they give him the money he will get them in the Champions League at a minimum and I wouldn't bet against him bringing in Silverware. His signings are good players too. I get your point and at some point as fans we are going to have to get behind Rodgers because unless he goes we need him to be successful but ultimately its his poor transfer business that has put him and us here. His record at Liverpool for signings was terrible too so it's a recurring theme.

Would most managers get close with say half a billion spend over 3 summers?

 

I look at the here and now and yes Vestergaard and Bertrand on the face of it were poor but I can’t shout from the roof tops that everyone else is as most seem to, Perez has his qualities as does Praet especially for the section of the market we shop in.

Some have been really good buys Castange, Fofana and a couple Daka and Soumare we haven’t seen them enough to make judgement hopefully this season they kick on after some settling.

 

He’s getting whipped for 2 players fans don’t rate also couple that with and I quote “he’s got probably the 7th best squad in the premiership” now if he’s made I can’t be hooped to check but let’s say signed 8 players those 8 are included in that statement no?

 

I get people are frustrated but it’s just warped into something much bigger on here than is actually playing out

[desertfox2]

8 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Would most managers get close with say half a billion spend over 3 summers?

 

I look at the here and now and yes Vestergaard and Bertrand on the face of it were poor but I can’t shout from the roof tops that everyone else is as most seem to, Perez has his qualities as does Praet especially for the section of the market we shop in.

Some have been really good buys Castange, Fofana and a couple Daka and Soumare we haven’t seen them enough to make judgement hopefully this season they kick on after some settling.

 

He’s getting whipped for 2 players fans don’t rate also couple that with and I quote “he’s got probably the 7th best squad in the premiership” now if he’s made I can’t be hooped to check but let’s say signed 8 players those 8 are included in that statement no?

 

I get people are frustrated but it’s just warped into something much bigger on here than is actually playing out

The problem is that there is not a single player other than Fofana, who has now gone, that he has signed in his whole time at the club that is in the starting 11 when everyone is fit. Tielemans was already on loan with us from Puel. That is shocking.

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, desertfox2 said:

The problem is that there is not a single player other than Fofana, who has now gone, that he has signed in his whole time at the club that is in the starting 11 when everyone is fit. Tielemans was already on loan with us from Puel. That is shocking.

Could he argue that he never have the funds to buy high enough quality to improve our starting eleven (would need to spend £40m plus on one player) and was therefore adding squad depth. Of course that means some of those you’re adding need to blossom to become starters 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Could he argue that he never have the funds to buy high enough quality to improve our starting eleven (would need to spend £40m plus on one player) and was therefore adding squad depth. Of course that means some of those you’re adding need to blossom to become starters 

You could also suggest he improved JJ to international selection, but even then it does make you wonder why some players with potential ‘work’ and some don’t?

[desertfox2]

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Could he argue that he never have the funds to buy high enough quality to improve our starting eleven (would need to spend £40m plus on one player) and was therefore adding squad depth. Of course that means some of those you’re adding need to blossom to become starters 

I don't think he can. Puel was a terrible Manager but he signed Maddison, Pereira, Soyuncu, Evans and Tielemans on loan for a combined 72m he did have flops too but at least a lot of succeses. Maddison at 25m was the most expensive on 1 player. Rodgers has spent 150m + and had 1 signing work out. At no club would that be acceptable. The whole point in having Rodgers as a manager is to find the next James Maddison for 25m and coach him to be as good as the current one just in different positions. 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

I don't think he can. Puel was a terrible Manager but he signed Maddison, Pereira, Soyuncu, Evans and Tielemans on loan for a combined 72m he did have flops too but at least a lot of succeses. Maddison at 25m was the most expensive on 1 player. Rodgers has spent 150m + and had 1 signing work out. At no club would that be acceptable. The whole point in having Rodgers as a manager is to find the next James Maddison for 25m and coach him to be as good as the current one just in different positions. 

i suspect it was easier for puel to improve what he had via purchases than rodgers though this is debatable 

 

you missed JJ 

[desertfox2]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

i suspect it was easier for puel to improve what he had via purchases than rodgers though this is debatable 

 

you missed JJ 

His record is very poor though. If you could have Puel as a DOF and Rodgers as a coach that would be the ideal pairing. They are polar opposites. His record at Liverpool was terrible too.

 

I forgot JJ. You're right. Okay so that's 2 great signings. 

[st albans fox]

10 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

His record is very poor though. If you could have Puel as a DOF and Rodgers as a coach that would be the ideal pairing. They are polar opposites. His record at Liverpool was terrible too.

 

I forgot JJ. You're right. Okay so that's 2 great signings. 

Castagne is decent 

[desertfox2]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Castagne is decent 

Decent player. Wouldn't start though if Ricardo wasn't injured. 

[BKLFox]

49 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

The problem is that there is not a single player other than Fofana, who has now gone, that he has signed in his whole time at the club that is in the starting 11 when everyone is fit. Tielemans was already on loan with us from Puel. That is shocking.

Ideally we all want players that walk into the starting 11, I think Faes will now but for me and mentioned by the BT lot last night our starting 11 is decent and a good match for most of the Premiership (minus Ward) it’s the depth quality we needed which is what he’s brought I guess. Imagine the funds we would need to get a player in to push Tielemens out the starting 11 say 2 even 1yr ago.

The squad overall is better but needs continuous refresh to not standstill hell look at Man C they probably could standstill for a season or 2 and still push for 1st place but they get of of Sterling, Jesus and Zinchenko the 1st 2 players way way out of our price range and they get replacements that pushes them further away from us.

[desertfox2]

5 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Ideally we all want players that walk into the starting 11, I think Faes will now but for me and mentioned by the BT lot last night our starting 11 is decent and a good match for most of the Premiership (minus Ward) it’s the depth quality we needed which is what he’s brought I guess. Imagine the funds we would need to get a player in to push Tielemens out the starting 11 say 2 even 1yr ago.

The squad overall is better but needs continuous refresh to not standstill hell look at Man C they probably could standstill for a season or 2 and still push for 1st place but they get of of Sterling, Jesus and Zinchenko the 1st 2 players way way out of our price range and they get replacements that pushes them further away from us.

Hopefully now with Faes the starting 11 is decent enough to start climbing the table. With the way Ward is playing if we don't give Iversen a chance then he's never going to get one. By now we should have sorted the RW position. It's been a problem since Mahrez left. I know we aren't going to find another Mahrez but its inexcusable that in all this time we havent signed a starting RW. The biggest problem though seems to be that the squad players are on first 11 wages. Our wage bill I think was the most outside of the big 6 before this summer and probably still well up there now and we have a manager on 9m + a year too. 

[BKLFox]

40 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

Hopefully now with Faes the starting 11 is decent enough to start climbing the table. With the way Ward is playing if we don't give Iversen a chance then he's never going to get one. By now we should have sorted the RW position. It's been a problem since Mahrez left. I know we aren't going to find another Mahrez but its inexcusable that in all this time we havent signed a starting RW. The biggest problem though seems to be that the squad players are on first 11 wages. Our wage bill I think was the most outside of the big 6 before this summer and probably still well up there now and we have a manager on 9m + a year too. 

Ward / Iverson is a tough 1, drop Ward and Iverson has a shocker we know how that will go on here.

RW for sure we all hoped for someone by now, is he waiting for Madueke now?

 

Wages I’m not sure I believe quotes on here or such websites as sportrac as I don’t believe our wages are above and beyond the likes of Villa, Everton or West Ham there is no way they are getting players they have and paying them less than what we do.
Even Forest to get 21 players to join a promoted side they are not paying peanuts, it’s brought up that Lingard is getting £200k alone hence why West Ham fans are giving him the $signs I also get with Forest they are gambling and offsetting their parachute payments but what a gamble this could potential fold them.

[Chelmofox]

53 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Ward / Iverson is a tough 1, drop Ward and Iverson has a shocker we know how that will go on here.

RW for sure we all hoped for someone by now, is he waiting for Madueke now?

 

Wages I’m not sure I believe quotes on here or such websites as sportrac as I don’t believe our wages are above and beyond the likes of Villa, Everton or West Ham there is no way they are getting players they have and paying them less than what we do.
Even Forest to get 21 players to join a promoted side they are not paying peanuts, it’s brought up that Lingard is getting £200k alone hence why West Ham fans are giving him the $signs I also get with Forest they are gambling and offsetting their parachute payments but what a gamble this could potential fold them.

Doreen in accounts is not going to know what hit her when she does the forest payroll at the end of the month. Very much of a get anything you can and worry about it later approach.