Animal Rebellion

[Captain...]

1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said:

Naturally, they wouldn't be there in the first place, which makes me wonder, do these animal rights activists eat honey, the poor humble bee forced to produce a sweet sticky substance just so someone can come along and steal it.

A vegan wouldn't, I would assume they are all vegans.

[Fazzer 7]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I like full fat milk with my cereal

 

i like clotted cream with my scones 

 

I like cream cakes

 

i like milk chocolate 

I like cheese 

 

I'm clearly a very bad person 

Porridge made with full fat organic milk from the farm just up the road, lavely. 

[Scotch]

1 hour ago, jammie82uk said:

There was no buying of products, there never is when these protests happens, this is a repeat of the same protest they did 2 months ago 

Where did they get the milk then? 

 

Regardless though, there WAS products bought. The store that they protested in bought that cheese from a dairy farm. Now they are going to have to buy more to replace it, that's what I was getting at. These protests are actually financially beneficial to the dairy farmers and are increasing dairy wastage. 

[st albans fox]

15 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Where did they get the milk then? 

 

Regardless though, there WAS products bought. The store that they protested in bought that cheese from a dairy farm. Now they are going to have to buy more to replace it, that's what I was getting at. These protests are actually financially beneficial to the dairy farmers and are increasing dairy wastage. 

The milk seemed to be in glass bottles with strange screw top lids  - it wouldn’t surprise me if it was sourced from a small holding where cows are milked by hand every now and again. Hence not from the normal supply chain. 
 

it was annoying to see that security staff were told not to interfere and just wait for them to finish before escorting them from the store. I wonder if this is at the direction of their insurer ? 

[jammie82uk]

24 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Where did they get the milk then? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11291391/Animal-Rebellion-activists-pour-milk-Fortnum-Mason-Selfridges-stores.html

 

• Video shows them taking milk bottles from shelves of Fortnum & Mason and pouring them over red carpet

[ozleicester]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

Naturally, they wouldn't be there in the first place, which makes me wonder, do these animal rights activists eat honey, the poor humble bee forced to produce a sweet sticky substance just so someone can come along and steal it.

bees produce honey to feed their "babies", when humans take it, they are deprivingthem and forcing the bees to work harder.

[Scotch]

51 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11291391/Animal-Rebellion-activists-pour-milk-Fortnum-Mason-Selfridges-stores.html

 

• Video shows them taking milk bottles from shelves of Fortnum & Mason and pouring them over red carpet

Fair enough. They didn't buy the milk but every product they used or ruined was still bought from a dairy farmer and will have to be replaced by buying more from a dairy farmer so my initial point remains, it is a very weird protest. They are not hurting the source. Financially, they are helping them. 

[MPH]

The only thing protests like this do is make the protesters look silly. It doesn’t benefit any animal in any way.  It’s more of a “ look at me with my moral crusade” event than anything  else..

Edited 8 October 2022 by MPH

[Captain...]

3 hours ago, Scotch said:

Fair enough. They didn't buy the milk but every product they used or ruined was still bought from a dairy farmer and will have to be replaced by buying more from a dairy farmer so my initial point remains, it is a very weird protest. They are not hurting the source. Financially, they are helping them. 

Dairy farmers are only meeting a need, supply is driven by the supermarkets and the protest might have been aimed at those particular stores and their policies.

 

Or it is just a publicity thing, Fortnum and Mason and Selfridges are 2 of the highest profile single entities that sell milk. Any protest there is going to get more attention. Pouring milk on nice carpets is a cheap way of ruining a carpet and kicking up a stink, literally.

 

We are talking about it now, so it worked in that respect.

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, Captain... said:

 

 

We are talking about it now, so it worked in that respect.

surely the point isn’t really to get people talk about it but to bring about actual change?

 

 

I’ve yet to hear about anyone ‘changing’ because of a stunt like this.

[Wymsey]

4 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Dairy farmers are only meeting a need, supply is driven by the supermarkets and the protest might have been aimed at those particular stores and their policies.

 

Or it is just a publicity thing, Fortnum and Mason and Selfridges are 2 of the highest profile single entities that sell milk. Any protest there is going to get more attention. Pouring milk on nice carpets is a cheap way of ruining a carpet and kicking up a stink, literally.

 

We are talking about it now, so it worked in that respect.

Do you agree with the protesters' point, overall?

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

The only thing protests like this do is make the protesters look silly. It doesn’t benefit any animal in any way.  It’s more of a “ look at me with my moral crusade” event than anything  else..

Not really, it may have had no impact on you but it will get people, like me, thinking again. I know that the meat and dairy industries are unethical and have huge environmental consequences. I still eat meat and dairy. I had massively cut down a few years ago, but having kids and putting their needs ahead of ethics meant that meat has become a large part of my diet again. This is just a reminder that it is wrong and today I had a meat free burger at the pub, it was delicious. It cost the same tasted just as good, had fewer calories and my conscience was clear. I also hoovered up the remains of my daughter's chicken.

 

It is going to be a gradual process as a society to move towards a sustainable Flexi diet and move away from the meat and 2 veg society and sometimes random acts of disruption are needed to remind people and businesses that there is still a long way to go.

[Captain...]

3 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Do you agree with the protesters' point, overall?

I think it is an extreme ideal, I think there is room for cruelty free meat and dairy in our diet, but that is not possible on the scale with which we farm and eat meat and dairy.

[MPH]

17 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Not really, it may have had no impact on you but it will get people, like me, thinking again. I know that the meat and dairy industries are unethical and have huge environmental consequences. I still eat meat and dairy. I had massively cut down a few years ago, but having kids and putting their needs ahead of ethics meant that meat has become a large part of my diet again. This is just a reminder that it is wrong and today I had a meat free burger at the pub, it was delicious. It cost the same tasted just as good, had fewer calories and my conscience was clear. I also hoovered up the remains of my daughter's chicken.

 

It is going to be a gradual process as a society to move towards a sustainable Flexi diet and move away from the meat and 2 veg society and sometimes random acts of disruption are needed to remind people and businesses that there is still a long way to go.

 

but this is kind of my point. You already have concerns over the meat industry and you are thinking. And that’s because people have raised issues and concerns that have caught your attention. this hasn’t raised any points, hasn’t addressed any concerns and hasn’t addressed any issues.  It’s not helped any animal in any way and is doing nothing other than causing people to draw battle lines… you can see they by a lot of opening posts.

[Captain...]

22 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

but this is kind of my point. You already have concerns over the meat industry and you are thinking. And that’s because people have raised issues and concerns that have caught your attention. this hasn’t raised any points, hasn’t addressed any concerns and hasn’t addressed any issues.  It’s not helped any animal in any way and is doing nothing other than causing people to draw battle lines… you can see they by a lot of opening posts.

People have been protesting like this all my life, it all raises awareness and makes people think. I don't necessarily agree with their actions, but I don't condemn people for trying something. We are too slow to react to these things, we have known about environmental issues and ethical issues all my life. It is slowly getting better but progress is glacial.

[MPH]

3 minutes ago, Captain... said:

People have been protesting like this all my life, it all raises awareness and makes people think. I don't necessarily agree with their actions, but I don't condemn people for trying something. We are too slow to react to these things, we have known about environmental issues and ethical issues all my life. It is slowly getting better but progress is glacial.

 

releasing animals from a farm or zoo, fair enough.. I can see the protest there chaining yourself to the gates of a milking parlour.. same fair enough… pouring milk onto a carpet?  All that says is “ look at me and how moral I am” aswell as making yourself look a melt.

 

 

[st albans fox]

17 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

releasing animals from a farm or zoo, fair enough.. I can see the protest there chaining yourself to the gates of a milking parlour.. same fair enough… pouring milk onto a carpet?  All that says is “ look at me and how moral I am” aswell as making yourself look a melt.

 

 

If it’s going to become a thing then I may buy shares in carpet cleaning companies …..

[Parafox]

4 hours ago, MPH said:

surely the point isn’t really to get people talk about it but to bring about actual change?

 

 

I’ve yet to hear about anyone ‘changing’ because of a stunt like this.

Of course they won't. People generally don't change their general food buying habits following a relatively minor protest, because they will buy what they need/want.

I don't believe there's a big chunk of consumers changing buying habits because of these protests. Millions of people in supermarkets across the country every week. Some will think about it, as I have done, but will still buy dairy, meat, whatever, at the best price available, especially now.

[MPH]

13 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Of course they won't. People generally don't change their general food buying habits following a relatively minor protest, because they will buy what they need/want.

I don't believe there's a big chunk of consumers changing buying habits because of these protests. Millions of people in supermarkets across the country every week. Some will think about it, as I have done, but will still buy dairy, meat, whatever, at the best price available, especially now.

 

 My mum and her husband are both Vegans and feel quite embarrassed by protests like these. They don’t feel like  that stealing/ damaging of property  is the way to get your point across and I wholeheartedly agree with them.

[Parafox]

7 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 My mum and her husband are both Vegans and feel quite embarrassed by protests like these. They don’t feel like  that stealing/ damaging of property  is the way to get your point across and I wholeheartedly agree with them.

Because, ultimately it suggests vegans are all the same and of course, they aren't. Pressure groups will attract the attention of the public becaese that's they're objective. Sometimes it's effective, if it's proportional and reasoned. Pouring milk over a carpet is just vandalism in the name of a cause and has created antagonism with the majority of the people and has therefore failed.

Edited 8 October 2022 by Parafox

[BeardyFox]

For several years I’ve been vegetarian and try to chose vegan options as and when I can but I absolutely cringe when I see things like this. 
All it does is get people angry and tar veggies/vegans with the same brush. It’s wasteful and some poor sod has to spend their day cleaning up after. 
I wouldn’t ever tell anyone what to eat or think of them as “evil” for enjoying a steak etc. 
For me if you can buy local and/or organic produce then all the better, cuts down on carbon footprint, nasty chemicals and supports local business. 
In short, do/buy what you like - just don’t be a cxnt about it.