lush Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 ------------------henderson stearman--macarthy--dublin--sheehan -hughes----williams----tiatto---hamill ----------deep freeze--hammond subs: maybury, johanson, kisnorbo, joey, chambo With leeds away just 3 days later, i think its important to A, rest a few, and B, play players who didnt play v sheff utd. Even with bolton playing a "2nd string line up", the chances of us winning arnt great. Only macarthy and hammond arnt fresh, but they were tremendous on saturday, so its good to have that still in the team. I would definately make 2 substitutions by 70mins or so, or all 3 by 80mins if the games beyond us by then. The substitutions i`d be looking to make are, johanson for macarthy, joey or kisnorbo for hughes unless hes injury free, then williams or tiatto, and it would be great to see what chambo could do, and its important that hammond is cool for leeds, so sub him on 70 mins or so. Whether we get through or not, we need be fresh as poss v leeds, its a mamouth game now, considering our new belief and their current form of 3 wins in 3.
shen Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 I'm guessing at the following line-up: ------------------ Henderson Maybury --- Totte ----- Nissa ---- Stearman Sylla ---- Kisnorbo ---- Tiatto --- Hamill -------------- MDV ------ Hammond Subs: Hughes, Joey, Dublin, Sheehan, Williams
Head Honcho Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 ------------------henderson stearman--macarthy--dublin--sheehan -hughes----williams----tiatto---hamill ----------deep freeze--hammond subs: maybury, johanson, kisnorbo, joey, chambo With leeds away just 3 days later, i think its important to A, rest a few, and B, play players who didnt play v sheff utd. Even with bolton playing a "2nd string line up", the chances of us winning arnt great. Only macarthy and hammond arnt fresh, but they were tremendous on saturday, so its good to have that still in the team. I would definately make 2 substitutions by 70mins or so, or all 3 by 80mins if the games beyond us by then. The substitutions i`d be looking to make are, johanson for macarthy, joey or kisnorbo for hughes unless hes injury free, then williams or tiatto, and it would be great to see what chambo could do, and its important that hammond is cool for leeds, so sub him on 70 mins or so. Whether we get through or not, we need be fresh as poss v leeds, its a mamouth game now, considering our new belief and their current form of 3 wins in 3. It would be nice to think that this team could go and do the business, it would show that we have the makings of a good squad albeit maybe not good enough for promotion this season.
lush Posted 27 November 2005 Author Posted 27 November 2005 It would be nice to think that this team could go and do the business, it would show that we have the makings of a good squad albeit maybe not good enough for promotion this season. If theres one thing that bothers me enormousely about England and sven, its that come a friendly he still plays the same first teamers, not really giving the fringe a chance. Well this is of similar in nature, we have the chance to get others involved in things, snot like were guna win the bloody thing. The more the fringe players are on the heels of the first teamers, the more the first teamers need to play well.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 ------------------henderson stearman--macarthy--dublin--sheehan -hughes----williams----tiatto---hamill ----------deep freeze--hammond subs: maybury, johanson, kisnorbo, joey, chambo With leeds away just 3 days later, i think its important to A, rest a few, and B, play players who didnt play v sheff utd. Even with bolton playing a "2nd string line up", the chances of us winning arnt great. Only macarthy and hammond arnt fresh, but they were tremendous on saturday, so its good to have that still in the team. I would definately make 2 substitutions by 70mins or so, or all 3 by 80mins if the games beyond us by then. The substitutions i`d be looking to make are, johanson for macarthy, joey or kisnorbo for hughes unless hes injury free, then williams or tiatto, and it would be great to see what chambo could do, and its important that hammond is cool for leeds, so sub him on 70 mins or so. Whether we get through or not, we need be fresh as poss v leeds, its a mamouth game now, considering our new belief and their current form of 3 wins in 3. There's much in what you say. Take one game at a time is my motto but with a squad of players available it make sense to use them. However, whatever the personnel, I wouldn't want to change to much from the basic system which served us so well Saturday. It is tempting for Levein, I am sure, to adopt the ultra defensive strategy of our televised cup visit to Blackburn which was such a diabolical advert for our football club in the same way as so many away matches this season. And what would he learn if we lose 1-0. Sod all. No - let's try and retain the same attacking formula if possible. Let us combine that with looking to the future and learning more about individual capabilities. Hence let us stick with two fast front runners, Hammond and Chambers then allow MDV to come on as a sub when Chambers has had enough. It will tell us how these two youngsters combine and whether Chambers can hack it yet at first team level. I agree with you over the full backs, but would prefer to play Maybury on the right of the middle four with Hughes and Joey/Tiatto in the middle and, as you say Hammill on the left. Maybury was back to his attacking best Saturday and I have no doubt he and Stearman can work that flank well enough while combining to stiffle Bolton's progress that side. It would only be like playing a sort of right half position and I'd be intrigued as to how well he did (or Stearman for that matter). So: Henderson; Stearman, McCarthy, Gerrbrand, Sheehan (this line keeps the speed and recovery power); Maybury, Hughes, Joey, Hammill; Chambers, Hammond. Subs: Nils, Dion, Tiatto/Williams, Sylla, MDV. Hammill is good as a covering winger and, with Joey, can provide lots of support and outlet balls for Sheehan. Maybury and HUghes will offer the same to Stearman and we retain genuine pace and scoring threats up front. Slow football should not be an option in the new dawn. With this line-up all the players would gain experience in the system which took us strides forward on Saturday and, win or lose, it would prepare them for the future - and most of em are the future.
Mark Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 Can see Levein changing to 4-5-1 this game to match Bolton. He'll probably play De Vries up front but i'd like to see Hammond keep his place after Saturday. -------------------- Henderson Maybury --- McCarthy --- Gerrbrand --- Johansson ----------- Gudjonsson Williams Tiatto----------- Sylla ----------------------------------------- Hamill --------------------- Hammond Subs: Logan, Sheehan, De Vries, Hughes, Kisnorbo
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 If theres one thing that bothers me enormousely about England and sven, its that come a friendly he still plays the same first teamers, not really giving the fringe a chance. Well this is of similar in nature, we have the chance to get others involved in things, snot like were guna win the bloody thing. The more the fringe players are on the heels of the first teamers, the more the first teamers need to play well. It's important from a finicial point of view Lush, win against Bolton, unlikely good draw in the next round and your looking at two guranteed sky games, possible three if the quarters is shown, as well as highlight money from ITV. Also one fairly full Walkers Stadium along with the prize money which gets hefty after the fourth round. Two more wins in this competition and January could be alot more exciting then it would be otherwise I see no reason for playing Dublin, other then to keep him sharp. his 36 in the twylight of his career, and IMO is there for suspension and injury use only. He can do a job @ the back when required, but if we dont need him I dont see the point, If you want to rest Gerrbrand move Nissa into CB? It's a good game to speculate about team selection, Craig has oftn suprised me with his selections for cup games in the past. Henderson Stearmen Mcarthy Gerrbrand Sheehan Sylla Kisnorbo Williams Smith/Hamill MDV Hammond Logan,Maybury,Tiatto,Joey,Chambers Williams was impressive in the last round, seems to have few problems in getting himself up for the cup in the past for some reason. Stearmen can do a job as well as Maybury and playing premier league oppostion can only help the lad improve. Sheehan, same as. obviosuly needs to start more, I would expect to see him at some point but doubt he will start, it will probabley be the Maybury/Stearmen or Nils option. In the event of us playing 4-5-1 Id say drop Hammond (Kiso Joey Williams ) to the bench, bring him on with 65 mins played against what should be a tireing ( fixture congetsion ) old Bolton back four. If he's finishing improves this week as much as his movement did last week, he would have a field day.
lush Posted 27 November 2005 Author Posted 27 November 2005 Hence let us stick with two fast front runners, Hammond and Chambers then allow MDV to come on as a sub when Chambers has had enough. It will tell us how these two youngsters combine and whether Chambers can hack it yet at first team level. I agree with you over the full backs, but would prefer to play Maybury on the right of the middle four with Hughes and Joey/Tiatto in the middle and, as you say Hammill on the left. Maybury was back to his attacking best Saturday and I have no doubt he and Stearman can work that flank well enough while combining to stiffle Bolton's progress that side. It would only be like playing a sort of right half position and I'd be intrigued as to how well he did (or Stearman for that matter). So: Henderson; Stearman, McCarthy, Gerrbrand, Sheehan (this line keeps the speed and recovery power); Maybury, Hughes, Joey, Hammill; Chambers, Hammond. Subs: Nils, Dion, Tiatto/Williams, Sylla, MDV. Hammill is good as a covering winger and, with Joey, can provide lots of support and outlet balls for Sheehan. Maybury and HUghes will offer the same to Stearman and we retain genuine pace and scoring threats up front. Slow football should not be an option in the new dawn. As much as i hate to say it, i fear that deep freeze is much needed in this game to hold things up. They will no doubt have lots of possesion, so unless hammond and chambo can score 1 or 2, and keep bolton penned back, were going to need someone holding the ball up whilst the others support. Bolton are much better than all the championship teams. Jew not think maybury is the more experienced defender, considering who were playing Thrach? I think stearman is better going forward, but i like the idea of playing both on the right. I think dubs is pretty poor in the championship, but he might feel more comfortable v prem oppo. Why gerrbrand Thrach, hes good but struggling slightly with fitness for me. Slow football v leeds is not part of our new deal, but v bolton, we need to bring them down to a more "unpremiership" standard, for they have wealth in most aspects of the game, and should be quicker than our quickest. Mr C, johanson at LB, he`ll get skinned
Mark Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 Mr C, johanson at LB, he`ll get skinned Bolton are not really known for playing with pace, big high balls from defence and throw in's they are. Johansson would be needed to help deal with that
Head Honcho Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 Chambers up against Campo, Ben Haim and N'gotty, now that would be a baptism of fire!
lush Posted 27 November 2005 Author Posted 27 November 2005 It's important from a finicial point of view Lush, win against Bolton, unlikely good draw in the next round and your looking at two guranteed sky games, possible three if the quarters is shown, as well as highlight money from ITV. Also one fairly full Walkers Stadium along with the prize money which gets hefty after the fourth round. Two more wins in this competition and January could be alot more exciting then it would be otherwise Whats the benefits of the league cup and the money we could earn from it, in comparison to what we can do in the league? I would suggest that 3pts v leeds is more rewarding than a win v bolton. Were 3 games from a play-off place, and 3/4 games off the league cup final. Premiership or league cup? We`ll share cup money, we keep league money. We dont need a fixture pile up with fa cup coming round. Plymouth in jan too.
Bert Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 Hendo Stearman Paddy Mac Paddy G Sheehan Sylla Joey "skipper" Kisnorbo Hamill DeVries Elvis
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 Whats the benefits of the league cup and the money we could earn from it, in comparison to what we can do in the league? I would suggest that 3pts v leeds is more rewarding than a win v bolton. Were 3 games from a play-off place, and 3/4 games off the league cup final. Premiership or league cup? We`ll share cup money, we keep league money. We dont need a fixture pile up with fa cup coming round. Plymouth in jan too. Very True, however we aren't actually three games away from a play off place, you have to remember teams around that area will pick up points also. I think the Carling cup should be taken reasonable seriously, and it can earn us alot of money from playing what a couple of games? I see the point in expermenting with the team, but risking Hughes, and playing Twatto and Dublin seems a little bit to much. Its a confidence thing as well if we tinker to much were going to get hammered and lose the confident buoyent mode around the club that we currently have.
stulcfc Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 -------------------- Henderson Maybury --- McCarthy --- Gerrbrand --- Johansson ----------- Gudjonsson Williams kisnobo----------- Sylla ----------------------------------------- Hamill --------------------- Hammond Subs: Logan, Sheehan, De Vries, Hughes, dublin
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 Walker Ben Haim Jaidi O'Brien Gardner Diagne-Faye Giannakopoulos Fernandes Nolan Fadiga Borgetti Just thought Id post the team Bolton played in the last round to give some reflection on how seriosuly there going to be taking this fixture.
Libertine Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 Walker Ben Haim Jaidi O'Brien Gardner Diagne-Faye Giannakopoulos Fernandes Nolan Fadiga Borgetti Just thought Id post the team Bolton played in the last round to give some reflection on how seriosuly there going to be taking this fixture. Who were their opponents in the last round though?
Libertine Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 West Ham, beat them 1-0 Exactly. They were playing a Premiership team so they were bound to take it a lot more seriously than they may against us. Hopefully they'll underestimate us.
Jonbluefox9 Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 The team that I would like to see against Bolton is: Henderson Sheehan Johansson Gerrbrand Stearman Hamill Kisnorbo Hughes Sylla (Smith if Arsenal go out on Tuesday) De Vries Hammond A few changes. I think that backline would be more than capable even with 3 changes from Saturday. I remember Johansson and Gerrbrand looking solid against Inter Milan during pre-season, Stearman and Sheehan would relish playing against Bolton and Henderson has looked very reliable in recent games. In attack we don't look as strong without Smith and Hume but hopefully Hughes would come back to the centre and be creative. I think Joey's been brilliant this season but he deserves a rest. He's been doing the work of 10 other players at times.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 As much as i hate to say it, i fear that deep freeze is much needed in this game to hold things up. They will no doubt have lots of possesion, so unless hammond and chambo can score 1 or 2, and keep bolton penned back, were going to need someone holding the ball up whilst the others support. Bolton are much better than all the championship teams. Jew not think maybury is the more experienced defender, considering who were playing Thrach? I think stearman is better going forward, but i like the idea of playing both on the right. I think dubs is pretty poor in the championship, but he might feel more comfortable v prem oppo. Why gerrbrand Thrach, hes good but struggling slightly with fitness for me. Slow football v leeds is not part of our new deal, but v bolton, we need to bring them down to a more "unpremiership" standard, for they have wealth in most aspects of the game, and should be quicker than our quickest. Mr C, johanson at LB, he`ll get skinned I wouldn't be against resting Gerrbrand cos we have adequate alternatives in Nils, Dion etc, nor do I particularly care which way round Stearman and Maybury play on the right cos they'll interchange anyway. As for experience, you have to weigh that against Stearman's greater skill and recovery powers. Can't separate em really these days. Your argument about bringing the game back a level carries weight and has been our previous tactic (working well against Charlton from listening to the commentary). My reason for going for pace is twofold: a) because we need to follow up on Saturday by becoming familiar with the style. b) Because Bolton have had a heavy programme, lots of travel and I'm convinced they'll suffer from that. c) I really want to see how Chambers and Hammond combine and there won't be lots of opportunities to do that for real. You point about holding the ball is important and it was a big criticism I had of Hammond but on Saturday he fought well to hold the ball and succeeded, partly because he stopped trying to fall over all the time for free-kicks he didn't deserve. The thing is though, he gets onto far more balls than MDV and possession is going to be important cos if we don't retain the ball our task will be more difficult. Altogether there is a case for both approaches although I wouldn't play Hughes wide right. I'd sooner have him in the centre with Joey and leave Tiatto out. Giving daft free kicks away against Bolton is not a bright idea and I cannot see this is the game for Williams' return (if any).
LoneWolf Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 -------------------- Henderson ---------Maybury --- McCarthy --- Johansson ----------- Gudjonsson Williams Tiatto----------- Sylla ----------------------------------------- Hamill --------------------- Deep Freeze-- Elvis with both tiatto and joey playing we would only need 3 at the back cos they hold any way... and well williams... i dont know what he will do IF he plays... hes a great player... just lacking form... i think hes good tho
holly Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 henderson stearman Mcarthy Gerrbrand Sheehan Tiatto Hamill Williams Joey De vries Hammond subs: dublin, hughes, kisnorbo, douglas, nissa
Nationwider Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 I can't read Levein's mind at the best of times, but these are some of the things I reckon he'll be thinking... - there's little prospect of us carving Bolton up for Sunday dinner like we did with the Blades. We'll have to be patient. I'll take penalties. - I'm still going to take it seriously. I'm not going to throw young players in for the sake of resting the older ones. - I need someone who can hold the ball up (MDV). - I'm backing my goalscorer from Saturday (Elvis) - Tiatto may well relish this one, he's always up for a scrap. So I reckon Levein will go for: ------------------ Henderson --------------------- Maybury - Gerrbrand - McCarthy - Johansson ----- Sylla - Kisnorbo - Gudjonsson - Tiatto -- ------------ Hammond - De Vries -------------- Subs: Dublin, Hamill, Stearman, Williams/Hughes, Douglas
Shauno45 Posted 27 November 2005 Posted 27 November 2005 i think levein will play 4-5-1 and bring hammond on after 60/70mins to try and snatch a winner with his pace. ............................................Douglas ........Maybury............McCarthy...........Gerrbrand.............Johansson ................................................Joey ........Sylla..................Hughes.................Kisnorbo©...........Hamill ............................................MDV/Elvis subs: stearman, tiatto, williams, dublin, hammond/MDV id rather we play 4-4-2 though
lush Posted 27 November 2005 Author Posted 27 November 2005 Very True, however we aren't actually three games away from a play off place, you have to remember teams around that area will pick up points also. I think the Carling cup should be taken reasonable seriously, and it can earn us alot of money from playing what a couple of games? I see the point in expermenting with the team, but risking Hughes, and playing Twatto and Dublin seems a little bit to much. Its a confidence thing as well if we tinker to much were going to get hammered and lose the confident buoyent mode around the club that we currently have. But at the moment were 3 games off a play-off place...just like 3 games from cup final. But thats only IF we beat bolton. Honestly, who would you most rather play, bolton or leeds. next round, aston villa or stoke, next rd, arsenal or crewe. If we were playing donny or even reading, i`d say lets go get at em. Is hughes still not fit? Twatto and dubs arnt rubbish, and it gives them a chance to play, we dont want discord amongst the fringe, however bad they are. If we give em a chance, they cant then complain, and we might need them through injury/suspension. Weve got between 13-18 games in the next 9 weeks, its atleast 1 and half games per week, they will be needed depending on smithy staying and someone coming in. Is it only worth having 11-14 players feeling good, or the 25 odd players feeling good?
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