An incredible 9 years

[The Doctor]

17 minutes ago, Matt said:

Exactly, we're arguably saying the same thing, but too many people believe there is only one way to play nowadays, that has put us in this position and ultimately we're no more sustainable than we were before, it's just a bullshit buzzword in modern day football.

ok, but we made a mess of moving towards being a sustainable top flight team (having the ability to break teams down with a variety of tactics), that's very different to sustainability being a myth

[Vestan Pance]

37 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Both things are valid.

 

We are not going to be a consistent top 6 side ever, this is not a small club mentality, this is life in the premier league as a non global club, without the riches, without the benefits of being recognised as so.

 

You can preach as many empty rallying cries as you wish, as many pro David vs Goliath tropes, but, there is no route we can take to make this club a consistent top 6 club without state or billionaire ownership, and the only irony here is that it is that saw to that.

 

So yes, it was an incredible 9 years and I expect us to return to the top flight.

My apologies if I've missed it but I'm not sure folk think not being top 6 is the failure, it's the probable relegation with a top 8 wage bill that is the concern. Let's face it, we were never top 6, it was the failure of Arsenal and Spuds for two seasons that got us there.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Vestan Pance said:

My apologies if I've missed it but I'm not sure folk think not being top 6 is the failure, it's the probable relegation with a top 8 wage bill that is the concern. Let's face it, we were never top 6, it was the failure of Arsenal and Spuds for two seasons that got us there.

No, you did not miss it, but I was trying to portray the idea that beyond occasional ups, downs at certain times seem almost inevitable (due to the unbalanced financials in this league)  even if this instance it is largely self inflicted

[JimJams]

1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

In sport, you get what you earn

Exactly, just look at Man City, Chelsea and Newcastle...

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[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, 99 Problems said:

I genuinely hate stuff like this. Absolute small club mentality in spades. The whole ‘let’s be grateful that our club is needlessly spiralling towards the championship and financial oblivion because it’s been an amazing ride”

 

If some fans want the old Leicester back - they’re welcome to it. For those fans that wanted a stable premier league club built on the foundations of unprecedented success - then our anger and frustration shouldn’t be mistaken for a lack of gratitude for what we achieved 

Was literally about to start typing this. 

 

Yeah let's know our place. 

 

We have undone the biggest opportunity in our history. We could have been something for years.

 

Id happily walk in to a board meeting with Rudkin and Susan Whelan and shit on the floor and accept the repercussions.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Was literally about to start typing this. 

 

Yeah let's know our place. 

 

We have undone the biggest opportunity in our history. We could have been something for years.

 

Id happily walk in to a board meeting with Rudkin and Susan Whelan and shit on the floor and accept the repercussions.

Curious, opportunity for what exactly?

[JimJams]

Win the league and fa Cup...

[Dahnsouff]

So consistency then?

[sacreblueits442]

5 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

ok, but we made a mess of moving towards being a sustainable top flight team (having the ability to break teams down with a variety of tactics), that's very different to sustainability being a myth

...I see sustainability as a process, a strategy if you will where we have looked at what we want to achieve and costed the means of attaining that goal (no pun intended)!!!

Applying sustainability to football on the pitch is a misnomer, you cannot quantify a formation or a playing style there are too many variables to account for.

  Our style of play under Ranieri was playing on the counter, we were then said to have been found out, due to teams sitting off and allowing us to come forward. Puel transitioned us to a halfway house, we still had the players to play on the counter but we also had players who could move the ball through the thirds to get us up the pitch. Rodgers then came in and very much pushed for a high line, where we pressed and operated in the opponent's half of the pitch, winning the ball high and putting your opponent under pressure.

  Could we have sustained, (a better word would be maintained) those styles of play with the transition in the way football was changing, the answer for me was that the style under Ranieri could have been maintained, but with better players. Our inability to go forward and break down defences was the main problem. We needed more technically gifted players to have made it work. Atletico Madrid played in the same fashion, they had the players to make it all work.

[Gamble92]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Curious, opportunity for what exactly?

Are you serious? 

 

We were the envy of every "other" club in England. We had the foundations to genuinely sustain competition to the top 6 and stay in it. 

 

I shouldn't have to explain this Mr.Dandruff

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

Are you serious? 

 

We were the envy of every "other" club in England. We had the foundations to genuinely sustain competition to the top 6 and stay in it. 

 

I shouldn't have to explain this Mr.Dandruff

That’s not an answer, its deflection, if you mean we would be challenging for the league, the cup, for Europe, then just say so. 

[Gamble92]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

That’s not an answer, its deflection, if you mean we would be challenging for the league, the cup, for Europe, then just say so. 

Don't piss on my shoes and call it rain son

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Gamble92 said:

Don't piss on my shoes and call it rain son

Answer the question or try and don’t act clever

[The Doctor]

9 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I see sustainability as a process, a strategy if you will where we have looked at what we want to achieve and costed the means of attaining that goal (no pun intended)!!!

Applying sustainability to football on the pitch is a misnomer, you cannot quantify a formation or a playing style there are too many variables to account for.

  Our style of play under Ranieri was playing on the counter, we were then said to have been found out, due to teams sitting off and allowing us to come forward. Puel transitioned us to a halfway house, we still had the players to play on the counter but we also had players who could move the ball through the thirds to get us up the pitch. Rodgers then came in and very much pushed for a high line, where we pressed and operated in the opponent's half of the pitch, winning the ball high and putting your opponent under pressure.

  Could we have sustained, (a better word would be maintained) those styles of play with the transition in the way football was changing, the answer for me was that the style under Ranieri could have been maintained, but with better players. Our inability to go forward and break down defences was the main problem. We needed more technically gifted players to have made it work. Atletico Madrid played in the same fashion, they had the players to make it all work.

eh, it's not really about quantifying, it's about having the ability to make subtle changes to deal with having been "found out", so a sustainable playing style is one which is flexible enough and has the requisite talent (in playing and coaching staff) to adapt to opposing teams

[99 Problems]

13 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Answer the question or try and don’t act clever

He has answered the question. Very clearly 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, 99 Problems said:

He has answered the question. Very clearly 

He did, my bad, apologies @Gamble92

 

Just feel we did it, and the consistency won’t be possible longer term unfortunately  due to long term financial bias in this league

 

However, that is no excuse for this season nonsense

Edited 20 May 2023 by Dahnsouff

[sacreblueits442]

12 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

eh, it's not really about quantifying, it's about having the ability to make subtle changes to deal with having been "found out", so a sustainable playing style is one which is flexible enough and has the requisite talent (in playing and coaching staff) to adapt to opposing teams

...so you would apply this to Manchester City!!!

[Dan]

3 hours ago, Nalis said:

I think you can do both to be fair - reflect on the journey but strive to be back in the premier league (or stay up)

I think you can but not on the very weekend that we'll probably go down. It's just too soon. This is a period that should be widespread anger rather than reminiscing.

[Dahnsouff]

18 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I think you can but not on the very weekend that we'll probably go down. It's just too soon. This is a period that should be widespread anger rather than reminiscing.

Think that’s a good point, it’s very raw, so unemotional appraisal can wait

[Supergray22]

8 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I see sustainability as a process, a strategy if you will where we have looked at what we want to achieve and costed the means of attaining that goal (no pun intended)!!!

Applying sustainability to football on the pitch is a misnomer, you cannot quantify a formation or a playing style there are too many variables to account for.

  Our style of play under Ranieri was playing on the counter, we were then said to have been found out, due to teams sitting off and allowing us to come forward. Puel transitioned us to a halfway house, we still had the players to play on the counter but we also had players who could move the ball through the thirds to get us up the pitch. Rodgers then came in and very much pushed for a high line, where we pressed and operated in the opponent's half of the pitch, winning the ball high and putting your opponent under pressure.

  Could we have sustained, (a better word would be maintained) those styles of play with the transition in the way football was changing, the answer for me was that the style under Ranieri could have been maintained, but with better players. Our inability to go forward and break down defences was the main problem. We needed more technically gifted players to have made it work. Atletico Madrid played in the same fashion, they had the players to make it all work.

I think that’s a good summary. Now the majority of teams try to play the possession game and play out from the back utilising a high line to aid the press. The proliferation of coaches preaching that style is testament to this too. One thing I would say is that we had starting moving towards that style in terms of players under Puel. We had clear intentions to pursue that style. The best teams of course can do both or variations in between. For a period I would count us as one of those teams. 

Edited 20 May 2023 by Supergray22

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

[Kitchandro]

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

eh? do you not remember how dogshit we were under Ranieri second season, going 2 months without a goal? or under Shakespeare after the bounce? if we hadn't gone down the route to be more sustainable we'd long have been in the championship by now, the downfall was in leaving a one dimensional manager in charge too long which is the exact opinion of moving to be more sustainable, we moved past sustainable and back into one dimensional and too easy to play against, just with a different style

In Ranieri’s second season we played exactly as we have this season under Rodgers and Smith. Trying to play possession football and failing.

 

I don’t know why everyone makes up this narrative that teams found us out. We tried to play possession football because we lost Kante and thought we couldn’t press without him, but we didn’t have the players to play that way.

[MPH]

4 hours ago, ozleicester said:

In sport, you get what you earn

 

Unless you cheat.

[Thebluefox85]

This is so cringey and to be honest sums up our happy with what we had mentality fan base and the fans we have that still want Brendan here 🤮

[The Year Of The Fox]

4 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

Might need a tbread of its own but I was thinking about favourite moments during this great era, obviously outside of the Tielemans goal And Morgan lifting the trophy. 

 

Fans after Palace, Ulloa goal, going 3-0 up at Man City all spring to mind. Any others? 

United 5-3 obviously