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2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Has Wanya actually looked any good this pre season? I’ve not really seen much of him? And where does he usually play? 

I thought Mcateer looked better in the first 20 mins against Liverpool than WMM has done all pre-season. I don't know if it's nerves, not comfortable in the position or just not ready. I know very little about him. 

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1 hour ago, Scotch said:

I thought Mcateer looked better in the first 20 mins against Liverpool than WMM has done all pre-season. I don't know if it's nerves, not comfortable in the position or just not ready. I know very little about him. 

Wanya has tended to play exclusively wide right or centrally for the U21s. Don't recall ever seeing him on the left at that level. 

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4 hours ago, Lillehamring said:

There's no guarantees, and it's not the finished article - but if we take a midfield and attacking wide men as being - Mav/KDH/Winks/Ndidi or Praet/Albrighton - on paper, that's a midfield that should not be playing in the championship.  I'm not worried, but, as with anything on paper, it might be 'too good to be true'?

In terms of midfield creativity, there’s only really Winks there. Ndidi is a stopper and God knows if he’s ever going to regain any form again. Mav will be out wide. And KDH is more of a box to box man. He reminds me of Drinkwater when I watch him play.

Lose Winks and where does the creative supply come from?

Like many have said, it’s ok having strikers who can put the ball in the back of the net, but they’ll have to be supplied to do so. Players like Daka don’t create their own chances.

I believe this team needs a really good (at this level), CM playmaker. Which brings me back to the question.. is that Winks? 

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1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

In terms of midfield creativity, there’s only really Winks there. Ndidi is a stopper and God knows if he’s ever going to regain any form again. Mav will be out wide. And KDH is more of a box to box man. He reminds me of Drinkwater when I watch him play.

Lose Winks and where does the creative supply come from?

Like many have said, it’s ok having strikers who can put the ball in the back of the net, but they’ll have to be supplied to do so. Players like Daka don’t create their own chances.

I believe this team needs a really good (at this level), CM playmaker. Which brings me back to the question.. is that Winks? 

Harry Winks has about the same amount of assists as Nampalys Mendy in his career as well. Staggering.

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1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Harry Winks has about the same amount of assists as Nampalys Mendy in his career as well. Staggering.

Crikey!

He’d better step up.

As far as I can see, both the club and the fans are pinning an awful lot of hope on him creating the chances.

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Just now, Col city fan said:

Crikey!

He’d better step up.

As far as I can see, both the club and the fans are pinning an awful lot of hope on him creating the chances.

He's the efficient and uick thinking player to keep the style of football moving, but we need that creative and progressive midfielder to actually supply the chances and to score goals themselves. Without such a player and at least another 1-2 wingers then I think we'll make life difficult for ourselves this season.

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2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

In terms of midfield creativity, there’s only really Winks there. Ndidi is a stopper and God knows if he’s ever going to regain any form again. Mav will be out wide. And KDH is more of a box to box man. He reminds me of Drinkwater when I watch him play.

Lose Winks and where does the creative supply come from?

Like many have said, it’s ok having strikers who can put the ball in the back of the net, but they’ll have to be supplied to do so. Players like Daka don’t create their own chances.

I believe this team needs a really good (at this level), CM playmaker. Which brings me back to the question.. is that Winks? 

As far as i can gather from what's been discussed regarding Maresca's system - i don't think we'll be anywhere near as reliant on an creative midfielder as we were under the previous regime, where we were dependant on maddison - it seems like the beauty of the system is to let the ball and the opponents do the work, to create large holes to play simple passes into - this is why so far we've seen ndidi getting into so many good positions, the chances have been coming from everywhere without there being a recognisable 'creative engine' - probablem for me seems to be the finishing.

 

Mavididi seems to be a good option because he has the pace to hit these spaces.

 

@StriderHiryu - am i reading this right?

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3 minutes ago, Lillehamring said:

As far as i can gather from what's been discussed regarding Maresca's system - i don't think we'll be anywhere near as reliant on an creative midfielder as we were under the previous regime, where we were dependant on maddison - it seems like the beauty of the system is to let the ball and the opponents do the work, to create large holes to play simple passes into - this is why so far we've seen ndidi getting into so many good positions, the chances have been coming from everywhere without there being a recognisable 'creative engine' - probablem for me seems to be the finishing.

 

Mavididi seems to be a good option because he has the pace to hit these spaces.

 

@StriderHiryu - am i reading this right?

You still have to have the technically gifted players to exploit the positions they take up?

Ndidi might be getting further forward, but, to date, we know he can’t pass for shit.

A large factor in how a striker ‘finishes’ is the quality of the pass into them. 
But we’ll see soon enough I guess

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Technically good for the championship and premier league are entirely different, why guys like Josh Bowler, Lewis O’Brien who were seen as the best in the league aren’t anywhere to be seen. KDH will be one of the better creative mids in the league this year, Soumare will be as good as anyone carrying the ball in this league. We do need to improve our depth in the middle but it’s honestly not as dire as is being made out I reckon. Our recruitment is still achingly slow mind, but if that means we get the best options possible, it’ll all work out well for us in the end. 

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11 minutes ago, Lillehamring said:

As far as i can gather from what's been discussed regarding Maresca's system - i don't think we'll be anywhere near as reliant on an creative midfielder as we were under the previous regime, where we were dependant on maddison - it seems like the beauty of the system is to let the ball and the opponents do the work, to create large holes to play simple passes into - this is why so far we've seen ndidi getting into so many good positions, the chances have been coming from everywhere without there being a recognisable 'creative engine' - probablem for me seems to be the finishing.

 

Mavididi seems to be a good option because he has the pace to hit these spaces.

 

@StriderHiryu - am i reading this right?

Yes and no. The players definitely do a lot of practice of pre-rehearsed routines, though Pep always used to give players specific spaces to attack rather than specific plays like someone like Conte. So that's why we are seeing Ndidi get into lots of good positions, but it's also why we seem him make not quite the right decision - yet. I would say then it's not so much about having a creative midfielder in the sense of Youri's raking through balls, but more having Maddison's presence of mind to keep his cool and make the right decision at the right time in the final third. 

 

Another video is coming out later this week but here are some previews. This was our best move in the match, great patient build up from the defence, with Hermansen showing us exactly why he was signed. Then KDH with a fantastic sliding pass that was Youri-esque, into Ndidi who should have pulled it back for Daka. This helps make part of your argument, KDH is not usually known for passes like this, but in this scenario he *knows* that a player will be attacking that space, so that's where he plays the ball, as fast as possible.

 

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Here is a more simple example, which was pointed out in my last analysis. We compact play down one side of the pitch, meaning that a diagonal can find our opposite side winger in acres with a 1 on 1 situation. Castagne plays the ball here, another player not really famed for his raking passes, but he knows a player will be attacking that space.

 

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In both examples, it's the decision-making in the final third that lets us down. McAteer should have pulled it back to KDH for this one.

 

However, in my mind I would be quite glowing about McAteer and Ndidi. Yes they have that last and most important but still to do, but they are consistently making the right runs, at the right times into the right positions across several games. I'd give them a few games to get used to it as they should be able to turn these chances into goals for the team.

 

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

You still have to have the technically gifted players to exploit the positions they take up?

Ndidi might be getting further forward, but, to date, we know he can’t pass for shit.

A large factor in how a striker ‘finishes’ is the quality of the pass into them. 
But we’ll see soon enough I guess

Col is along the right lines. It's not so much that Ndidi can't pass, but he's not making the right pass at the right time. The pass he has to make isn't that difficult from a technical perspective, but when you are running at full tilt, under pressure and need to make a decision in that moment, can he do it? History would suggest he can't. But we are talking often about making a six yard pass, which anyone, including us on the forum could do!

 

With Ndidi, I think if he plays the way he has been playing, he will do some serious damage in the Championship. He may spurn a lot of opportunities, but he is getting into and making those opportunities. So he could spurn 3 and we still score with him with the goal or assist. If we are having 60-70% possesion, this will happen. But we see again from Fabrizio Romano that we want Casadei and it's kind of obvious as to why.

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Oh! And whilst I remember, the biggest issue with Ndidi, is that when he receives the ball under pressure, that's when he is liable to lose it, and this cost us a goal against Liverpool. That again is something that a more creative midfielder would be better at.

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