US Presidential Election 2024

[st albans fox]

24 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

 

good analysis here 

And as has been pointed out earlier in the thread, she wasn’t chosen as the candidate - she was basically forced upon the party when the crazy idea that Biden could serve a second term came tumbling down around them. 
 

the dems screwed this up big time 

[ithuriel]

4 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Thing is, he never fixed it last time. Think they'd learn. He inherited a strengthening, growing economy from Obama but by the end of his term, many more people were in a worse position amongst the poorest in the States. He never built his 'wall', he basically empowered Putin to extend his ambitions, and wrecked the Covid response in the US. 

and he still won, why? and what does that say to the other side, why did they lose?

Calling peeps stupid, racist, sexist is not going to do anything, people usually vote for what is best for them and their families not for some ideal, that's secondary.

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

There was no need to mention race or religion then. 

Jones can’t compute how a Muslim immigrant cannot vote democrat.  so his race and religion is relevant to his point.  The issue here is jones’ preconceptions and stereotyping. 

[leicsmac]

Just now, ithuriel said:

and he still won, why? and what does that say to the other side, why did they lose?

Calling peeps stupid, racist, sexist is not going to do anything, people usually vote for what is best for them and their families not for some ideal, that's secondary.

This keeps being mentioned.

 

At much as it seems, I'm not sure it's a universal truth and if it is, that's not a good thing and I'm not sure why people think that it is.

[ithuriel]

Just now, leicsmac said:

This keeps being mentioned.

 

At much as it seems, I'm not sure it's a universal truth and if it is, that's not a good thing and I'm not sure why people think that it is.

Because it is, your ideals will not put food on the table or pay the bills, to quote Southpark,...they took our jobs  

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

Because it is, your ideals will not put food on the table or pay the bills, to quote Southpark,...they took our jobs  

And ignoring those ideals in favour of short term self interest ends terribly for everyone in the long term, those people included.

 

Is that really so difficult to see?

Edited 6 November 2024 by leicsmac

[Torquay Gunner]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

And as has been pointed out earlier in the thread, she wasn’t chosen as the candidate - she was basically forced upon the party when the crazy idea that Biden could serve a second term came tumbling down around them. 
 

the dems screwed this up big time 

They did screw up, and Biden was enabled by the people around him including Harris.  Wonder who the best choice would have been amongst the other candidates.

[ithuriel]

Just now, leicsmac said:

And ignoring those ideas in favour of short term self interest ends terribly for everyone in the long term, those people included.

 

Is that really so difficult to see?

Your in some kind of loop, pointless.

[Towelie]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

You engage is discussions with people, that's how you get them on your side.

 

When will people realise calling people thick, stupid, idiots and the rest of it isn't gonna convince someone that actually you're right and maybe they should casting their vote elsewhere.

 

People will just carry on doing so regardless, in 4/8 years we'll be sat here wondering why the 'thickos' have cast so many votes for Reform and for the Tory party. And likely I'll be here posting the exact same thing.

A spade is a spade though?

[Dunge]

People talking about stupidity - It may ultimately not have been statistically significant, but those people voting for a third party candidate or even Trump to punish the Democrats for Palestinian suffering are in for a rude awakening.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

Your in some kind of loop, pointless.

As seems to be everyone today, including me.

 

Fair enough, we'll see how things pan out. I've said this a few times too, but I hope like hell that I'm wrong.

[ithuriel]

Some ones already deleting stuff posted here, you cant discuss things if someone deletes stuff,  and I'm not on anyone's side , utterly pointless, I'm out, enjoy.

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

As seems to be everyone today, including me.

 

Fair enough, we'll see how things pan out. I've said this a few times too, but I hope like hell that I'm wrong.

You’ll be wearing a red baseball cap come Xmas ‘25 Mac !

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

You’ll be wearing a red baseball cap come Xmas ‘25 Mac !

Only if this body is dead and/or the man pushes forward the Artemis Program considerably, mon ami.

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Have we got actual people in here who live in the US saying Trump has improved their lives and their family lives?

 

And we’ve got people who don’t live in the US telling them they’re wrong and they’re stupid? 

 

Why is the standard response always people don’t understand what they’re voting for or people are stupid? Happened with Brexit, happened with the Tory victory with Boris, happened both times under Trump. 

Because when you scratch the surface quite a chunk are stupid (as they are here). I’ve seen inflation brought up so many times, when in reality it wasn’t Biden’s doing, they equate Trump with cheaper fuel and groceries, when it had little to do with either of them personally and was mostly down to market conditions everywhere in the world. 

[grobyfox1990]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Because when you scratch the surface quite a chunk are stupid (as they are here). I’ve seen inflation brought up so many times, when in reality it wasn’t Biden’s doing, they equate Trump with cheaper fuel and groceries, when it had little to do with either of them personally and was mostly down to market conditions everywhere in the world. 

Christ.... can imagine you believed Boris when he said inflation was down to global factors.

Poster writes that inflation factors in a country have nothing to do with the person running that country.... right after calling people stupid. Brilliant brilliant stuff.

[TamworthFoxes]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Because when you scratch the surface quite a chunk are stupid (as they are here). I’ve seen inflation brought up so many times, when in reality it wasn’t Biden’s doing, they equate Trump with cheaper fuel and groceries, when it had little to do with either of them personally and was mostly down to market conditions everywhere in the world. 

Exactly, its so annoying when the stupid people all vote and get it wrong.  Its as if they don't appreciate us clever people using our better educations to try and point them in the correct direction.

 

They also seem to take offence with us pointing out just how stupid they are.  

 

But don't worry, the stupid people will only be here for a day or two to laugh at us about this result.  Thankfully they will then disappear and we can discuss the important stuff between ourselves again and reassure each other we are the correct ones.

[grobyfox1990]

Still no word from Kamala? Nothing to thank the thousands of campaigners who have worked tirelessly to advance her agenda or congratulating her opposition.

Glad that she's the complete opposite of Trump and is taking defeat so graciously and in an adult-like manner.

[Foxdiamond]

55 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

And as has been pointed out earlier in the thread, she wasn’t chosen as the candidate - she was basically forced upon the party when the crazy idea that Biden could serve a second term came tumbling down around them. 
 

the dems screwed this up big time 

Dominic seems spot on here. 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Christ.... can imagine you believed Boris when he said inflation was down to global factors.

Poster writes that inflation factors in a country have nothing to do with the person running that country.... right after calling people stupid. Brilliant brilliant stuff.

No your are right I’m sure, inflation running rampant in every economy in the world wasn’t linked at all to global conditions and just happened to be down to every country having someone in charge who messed up and just couldn’t handle inflation. What are the chances hey…

 

Edited 6 November 2024 by Babylon

[bovril]

 

[bovril]

70% Trump in W Virginia! Amazing numbers. 

[Babylon]

15 minutes ago, TamworthFoxes said:

Exactly, its so annoying when the stupid people all vote and get it wrong.  Its as if they don't appreciate us clever people using our better educations to try and point them in the correct direction.

 

They also seem to take offence with us pointing out just how stupid they are.  

 

But don't worry, the stupid people will only be here for a day or two to laugh at us about this result.  Thankfully they will then disappear and we can discuss the important stuff between ourselves again and reassure each other we are the correct ones.

Correct.

[RoboFox]

There's plenty of evidence to point to an ideological gap between more and less educated adults and the tendency of the former to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. 

 

At least when I call my University of Life graduate friends thickos, I've got the facts to back it up. 

[Otis]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

 

I know Owen has a high bad take ratio but this demonstrates the issue of the US 

 

White man with privilege makes comment about someone for a cheap dig. It’s nuanced more than that and in the process it actually plays out as racism

It's all about race with Owen, other factors don't come into it.