Jeremy Monga

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, BKLFox said:

So do we agree he’s not a starter….yet!

 

Due to Mavididi’s injury he’s forced to play last night & when on the ball he looks ok but he really needs to work on his movement but then I’m a realist and know it’s going to take time and therefore understand he’s an impact player…for now!

 

The constant push for getting 16/17yr olds into the starting 11 is delusional we don’t have a single under 19, could push it to 20yr old that is ready to start week in week out, those that think we do pull a name out from that development Charlton match midweek, without saying well can’t be any worse than ‘x’.

 

These guys need time to grow, let them grow as 4 games like Monga had on the trot will do more harm than good yet 4 x 15-20minute cameos where he comes on and runs rings around tiring defences will push his chest out no end & we’ll end up with a better player.

 

Same goes for any of the names people will throw out, Evans, Aluko, Page and even Hutchinson who’s being thrust into match day conversations now of those including Monga, Aluko would be my pick for adapting quickest for becoming a starter & he’s no where near the match day squad let alone a cameo yet.

 

You have to look all the way back to Rooney to get a sense of what’s required to make it at that age and I don’t see a Rooney in our academy just let them grow they have loads of time to become a Rooney.

 

 

Disagree. However, his minutes should be managed, with a mix of starts and subs. He's been better than Mavididi this season, had Stephy been on it like we know he is capable of then the starts would have been fewer.

[BKLFox]

11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Disagree. However, his minutes should be managed, with a mix of starts and subs. He's been better than Mavididi this season, had Stephy been on it like we know he is capable of then the starts would have been fewer.

Fair enough

but I’m talking week in week out and he’s not there, yes the odd reward of a start maybe.

Trouble we have is Stephy very much a confidence player also and Enzo sum’d it up, you know what you will get after just 5 minutes of the start with him, it’s kind of like the same with Monga he wasn’t there after that 1st 5minutes.

I really hoped he’d have a blinder allowing S Thomas to replace Fatawu as the game went on but because we relied on Fatawu it couldn’t happen.

I would have liked Thomas to replace Monga over BDCR mind but hear BDCR pulled something from within 5mins of coming on so there’s a good chance he gets on v Hull at some point especially if Mav still injured.

 

 

 

Edited 19 October 2025 by BKLFox

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Fair enough

but I’m talking week in week out and he’s not there, yes the odd reward of a start maybe.

Trouble we have is Stephy very much a confidence player also and Enzo sum’d it up, you know what you will get after just 5 minutes of the start with him, it’s kind of like the same with Monga he wasn’t there after that 1st 5minutes.

I really hoped he’d have a blinder allowing S Thomas to replace Fatawu as the game went on but because we relied on Fatawu it couldn’t happen.

I would have liked Thomas to replace Monga over BDCR mind but hear BDCR pulled something from within 5mins of coming on so there’s a good chance he gets on v Hull at some point especially if Mav still injured.

 

 

 

The ideal scenario is Mavididi finds his form and Monga gets 20-30 most games and racks up his goal contributions against tired and out of position defences. Mix that in with a few starts every 4-6 weeks aa the games are thick and fast. Neither seem to be spurring the other on, Monga's explosive impact in the 1st 4 games seemed to crush Stephy not drive him to up his game.

[Jimmy]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not sure we can control how many players the opposition put on him  

There are many times he's in a 1 on 1 and we move the to everyone but Monga.

 

Abdul gets doubled up on too so we make a conscious effort to get the ball to him early in space we need to do the same on the other wing

[honeybradger]

What did Monga do wrong? Was starting regularly then doesnt get off the bench anymore. It's not like he was at fault for the bad performances.

[Lloyd90]

Just now, honeybradger said:

What did Monga do wrong? Was starting regularly then doesnt get off the bench anymore. It's not like he was at fault for the bad performances.

His defensive work is very poor and just my personal view but he’s still too raw for this level. 

[Chelmofox]

Think Marti has caught him looking a nudie pics using the Seagrave Wifi. Seems frozen out now.

 

Just now, Lloyd90 said:

His defensive work is very poor and just my personal view but he’s still too raw for this level. 

Thats part of the learning process. Its why he is best as an impact sub whilst he develops.

[Greg2607]

4 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

What did Monga do wrong? Was starting regularly then doesnt get off the bench anymore. It's not like he was at fault for the bad performances.

What were his actual outputs though???

[honeybradger]

1 minute ago, Lloyd90 said:

His defensive work is very poor and just my personal view but he’s still too raw for this level. 

He is far better than Ayew and has generally played well.

 

Standards are just higher for the academy lads for some reason whilst our experienced players get away with murder.

[Lloyd90]

Just now, Greg2607 said:

What were his actual outputs though???

What’s his actual output been in every performance he’s had for us? Has he ever actually done anything. I mean he’s 16 - it’s totally expected. But he’s nowhere near as good as people make out

[honeybradger]

3 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

What were his actual outputs though???

He can actually take on his man and pass the ball forward unlike Ayew.

 

Has the second highest successful dribbles per 90 in the league behind Fatawu. Loses the ball when dribbling far less than Fatawu as well.

Edited 8 November 2025 by honeybradger

[lcfc043]

He’s brilliant for his age but that’s it on what I’ve seen so far. 
 

[Chelmofox]

17 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

What were his actual outputs though???

More then Mavadidi's

[Greg2607]

33 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

He can actually take on his man and pass the ball forward unlike Ayew.

 

Has the second highest successful dribbles per 90 in the league behind Fatawu. Loses the ball when dribbling far less than Fatawu as well.

Sure, I agree. He is very easy on the eye. 

 

And I absolutely do realise that he is 16, learning his trade and a ridiculous talent....

 

BUT......

 

As a winger, his job is to deliver assists or goals....

 

If he doesn't do those things, then he's basically demarai gray.  

 

He will add it to his game I'm sure, but currently, if he isn't delivering those, then he has to earn his place again. 

[Chelmofox]

Just now, Greg2607 said:

Sure, I agree. He is very easy on the eye. 

 

And I absolutely do realise that he is 16, learning his trade and a ridiculous talent....

 

BUT......

 

As a winger, his job is to deliver assists or goals....

 

If he doesn't do those things, then he's basically demarai gray.  

 

He will add it to his game I'm sure, but currently, if he isn't delivering those, then he has to earn his place again. 

How many more has Mavididi or Ayew (when playing on the same wing) delivered than him?

[Kitchandro]

He’s not going to get better without regular appearances. Other players aren’t exactly demanding starts, I would rather we give chances to a player who still has potential to improve with experience.

 

[Greg2607]

7 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

How many more has Mavididi or Ayew (when playing on the same wing) delivered than him?

Yeah I agree, it's a problem for us..

[JimJams]

He was ill a couple of games ago.  Maybe he's not been training at 100% so he's only on the bench as a precaution.

 

If he's up to speed though I don't get why he's not starting.  Or at worst swapping with Mav who also didn't get a start.  

[studentofthegame]

41 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

What’s his actual output been in every performance he’s had for us? Has he ever actually done anything. I mean he’s 16 - it’s totally expected. But he’s nowhere near as good as people make out

Monga has 1 goal 1 assist in 519 minutes

Ayew has 2 goals 1 assist in 992 minutes

Mavididi has 0 goals 0 assists in 544 minutes

 

I really don't get your point? His output has been better than the alternatives anyway and as you say he is 16, so the fact he is doing that as a 16 year old compared to seasoned pro's says it all

 

Per 90 stats

xA: Monga 0.14, Ayew 0.18, Mavididi 0.11

Shot Creating Actions: Monga 3.82, Ayew 3.43, Mavididi 3.44

Progressive Passes: Monga 3.64, Ayew 1.96, Mavididi 2.10

Progressive Carries: Monga 5.03, Ayew 2.94, Mavididi 5.35

Successful Take-Ons: Monga 3.12, Ayew 1.37, Mavididi 3.25

 

As an attacking outlet his output has been better or as good as the more senior options that have been getting minutes 

[honeybradger]

9 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

Sure, I agree. He is very easy on the eye. 

 

And I absolutely do realise that he is 16, learning his trade and a ridiculous talent....

 

BUT......

 

As a winger, his job is to deliver assists or goals....

 

If he doesn't do those things, then he's basically demarai gray.  

 

He will add it to his game I'm sure, but currently, if he isn't delivering those, then he has to earn his place again. 

Why does he have to earn his place with goals and assists when others get regular gametime and dont deliver that either.

 

It's not like 1 goal 1 assist in 500 minutes is particularly bad for a winger either.

 

Much prefer him to Ayew who is our current starting left winger, Monga actually offers some threat out wide.

[Chelmofox]

Just now, JimJams said:

He was ill a couple of games ago.  Maybe he's not been training at 100% so he's only on the bench as a precaution.

 

If he's up to speed though I don't get why he's not starting.  Or at worst swapping with Mav who also didn't get a start.  

Also, the staff get to see how he is as a person right now. He started a few games which actually requires a big step up from him which and it was clearly hard work. Maybe illness / confidence just meant some time out of the starting 11 probably does the world of good at his age. Hopefully back to proper impact sub duties after the international break?

[Dahnsouff]

As you said, he is 16, he is not likely to start every game at that age.

[BKLFox]

His last 2 games he did not cover himself in glory & think he’s been taken out to protect him.

Whilst I’d rather play him than Ayew he does need protecting because it could destroy him.

 

Dowman at Arsenal is 10 times better than any of our academy lads and he still has to settle for 14mins here and there.

Monga just needs to keep working hard & learning in training, his time will come.

[studentofthegame]

5 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

His last 2 games he did not cover himself in glory & think he’s been taken out to protect him.

Whilst I’d rather play him than Ayew he does need protecting because it could destroy him.

 

Dowman at Arsenal is 10 times better than any of our academy lads and he still has to settle for 14mins here and there.

Monga just needs to keep working hard & learning in training, his time will come.

The Dowman argument doesn't really work as he has one of the best wingers in the world in front of him and is playing in one of the best teams in the world

 

Monga is playing for a mid table Championship side that can't create anything and is competing with attackers who can't really attack

[South Shire Fox]

What happens with young players, put them in for a few games for a taster then take them out. Was never going to play every game at 16