Cooper - In

[Muzzy_no7]

12 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

No more than closing the in. Stop telling people what to think.

😂😂😂😂😂

[Number 6]

I guess by not being Cooper Out that makes me Cooper In. I said I'd judge him after 10 games, we're one shy of that but the worst outcome is that we're 9 from 10 which I think is a rate which just about keeps us up.

 

I think people forget what a relegation battle season looks like. When we dropped last time it was mostly due to mismanagement: that side had Maddison, Barnes, Tielemans. We've upgraded the goalkeeper but across the rest of the pitch, were significantly weaker.

 

Last season Forest won 9, Brentford won 10, and they stayed up. Forest didn't win 3 in a row all season and had back-to-back wins once. Brentford did manage a 3 in a row and a back to back, but were largely dreadful in the middle of the season.

 

It hasn't and won't be pretty, but results tracking about right for a side who wants to stay up. This isn't a mid-table squad, whatever gets said on here.

[Jobyfox]

Seeing that this thread has been opened I thought I’d do a Cooper In post. Well sort of… 

 

I’d start by stating that I thought Cooper was the wrong appointment. He’d actually have been a much more logical appointment when we went for Maresca, but following him was a strange decision. He’s not the innovative manager that you’d expect to progress us if we did manage to stay in the Premier League. Even if he achieved that feat you kind of feel it’s only a matter of time before his limitations would be an impediment to further progress. There is logic for making a change sooner rather than later. 
 

The thing is though we do have Cooper. The people that run the club just aren’t going to sack him before Christmas. That’s unless we’d made a catastrophic start to the season. We’re going to have to let this play out for a bit.

 

The encouraging thing I see is that I do believe that the players are playing for this manager. The come back against Southampton is evidence of this, but really it’s chalk and cheese if you look at our last relegation. A much more talented squad downed tools under Brendan and were just seeing out time. 
 

My 3rd concern is that we’d have to find somebody else who could quickly get a better tune out of this squad. I don’t like the summer signings (from Fulham and Crystal Palace) and that might be on Cooper. The squad is limited in ability. The type of manager that’s available mid season is generally not the same quality that you see out of season - especially if we’re struggling. We could end up in another Dean Smith type situation.

 

The final point on this is that I just don’t see the point of the Cooper out thread going “hot” with every defeat or the generating of negativity within the fan base. It feels that we’re just making life more difficult for ourselves if we’re not vocal and united in our support. They’re not going to sack him so we may as well give it time. 
 

I think it’s inevitable that Cooper will go eventually. I understand the logic of acting before we’re too far adrift. I just don’t think it’s going to happen so we may as well be supportive. Whilst we’re out of the relegation zone nobody is going to sack him and the longer that continues is best for everybody - isn’t it? 

Edited 27 October 2024 by Jobyfox

[Dahnsouff]

11 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

😂😂😂😂😂

I know, it was a silly statement.

 

Would you be happy to combine the two In/Out threads?

[Muzzy_no7]

5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I know, it was a silly statement.

 

Would you be happy to combine the two In/Out threads?

Personally I wouldn’t, no. 
 

I want Rudders to log on here and see 250 pages for out😂

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Muzzy_no7 said:

Personally I wouldn’t, no. 
 

I want Rudders to log on here and see 250 pages for out😂

Fair enough. If only…..he would care 

[Jobyfox]

We need a merger:

 

“Cooper - In or Out”

 

 

[whoareyaaa]

merge

[Mon.is.a.god]

Only us and M City have scored in every game thus far. Great achievement in the prem tbf

[SafewayFox]

2 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

Only us and M City have scored in every game thus far. Great achievement in the prem tbf

Does that get us extra points come the end of the season though?! 
 

Seriously clutching with that one.

[Mon.is.a.god]

1 minute ago, SafewayFox said:

Does that get us extra points come the end of the season though?! 
 

Seriously clutching with that one.

Well we’re doing the hardest part of the game right? Surely something to build on mr negative?

[Muzzy_no7]

9 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

merge

No

[SafewayFox]

5 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

Well we’re doing the hardest part of the game right? Surely something to build on mr negative?

Or ignore what most managers say about setting up a successful team….start with a strong defence and go from there.

 

Mr Negative? Because I think differently to you 🤯

[Mon.is.a.god]

1 minute ago, SafewayFox said:

Or ignore what most managers say about setting up a successful team….start with a strong defence and go from there.

 

Mr Negative? Because I think differently to you 🤯

I just can’t understand how you can think scoring in every game thus far in arguably the most competitive league in the world is not something to be proud of. Of course it’s not going to do this and that but it’s a fcuking good stat for any team in this league, hence why Man City are the only other team to achieve this. Not hard to understand pal….

[Muzzy_no7]

11 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

I just can’t understand how you can think scoring in every game thus far in arguably the most competitive league in the world is not something to be proud of. Of course it’s not going to do this and that but it’s a fcuking good stat for any team in this league, hence why Man City are the only other team to achieve this. Not hard to understand pal….

Out of curiosity what are your thoughts on XG, XP, XGA? 

[SafewayFox]

9 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

I just can’t understand how you can think scoring in every game thus far in arguably the most competitive league in the world is not something to be proud of. Of course it’s not going to do this and that but it’s a fcuking good stat for any team in this league, hence why Man City are the only other team to achieve this. Not hard to understand pal….

Ok, so without repeating myself…at the end of the season it means what?

 

Also, other than laughing at both posts is it possible to actually answer my question about what countless other coaches state about the foundation of a successful team is?

 

Spoiler, it’s not for scoring in all 9 games but setting yourself up with a solid defence but let’s all pretend our club/manager are all great shall we? 

[Mon.is.a.god]

13 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Ok, so without repeating myself…at the end of the season it means what?

 

Also, other than laughing at both posts is it possible to actually answer my question about what countless other coaches state about the foundation of a successful team is?

 

Spoiler, it’s not for scoring in all 9 games but setting yourself up with a solid defence but let’s all pretend our club/manager are all great shall we? 

It’s not rocket science pal. Goals win games. The more you score, the more chance of winning the game. If you don’t think scoring in every game is a good thing, then you’re a fool. Simples…..

[funkyrobot]

19 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

It’s not rocket science pal. Goals win games. The more you score, the more chance of winning the game. If you don’t think scoring in every game is a good thing, then you’re a fool. Simples…..

The problem is, we are scoring way more goals than we should be scoring considering the small amount of chances we are creating. That’s why XG stats and the like are also a good indicator of a team’s potential. We are also not conceding as many goals as we should given the quality of the chances we are allowing our opponents to have and yet we are still conceding lots of goals! In other words, our league position is built more on luck than any great structured sustainable play and relying on luck is not a realistic game plan! 

[Mon.is.a.god]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

The problem is, we are scoring way more goals than we should be scoring considering the small amount of chances we are creating. That’s why XG stats and the like are also a good indicator of a team’s potential. We are also not conceding as many goals as we should given the quality of the chances we are allowing our opponents to have and yet we are still conceding lots of goals! In other words, our league position is built more on luck than any great structured sustainable play and relying on luck is not a realistic game plan! 

[Clever Fox]

1 hour ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

It’s not rocket science pal. Goals win games. The more you score, the more chance of winning the game. If you don’t think scoring in every game is a good thing, then you’re a fool. Simples…..

Not when the Opposition continue to out score you.

[SafewayFox]

2 hours ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

It’s not rocket science pal. Goals win games. The more you score, the more chance of winning the game. If you don’t think scoring in every game is a good thing, then you’re a fool. Simples…..

Ok, so I’m a fool but also one of the best players ever football managers, Sir Alex Ferguson is as he said in numerous different methods about a solid defence being more important than your attackers.

 

[JimJams]

To complete the set I'm going to start a new thread.

 

"Cooper - Shake it all about!"

[CosbehFox]

6 hours ago, Number 6 said:

I guess by not being Cooper Out that makes me Cooper In. I said I'd judge him after 10 games, we're one shy of that but the worst outcome is that we're 9 from 10 which I think is a rate which just about keeps us up.

 

I think people forget what a relegation battle season looks like. When we dropped last time it was mostly due to mismanagement: that side had Maddison, Barnes, Tielemans. We've upgraded the goalkeeper but across the rest of the pitch, were significantly weaker.

 

Last season Forest won 9, Brentford won 10, and they stayed up. Forest didn't win 3 in a row all season and had back-to-back wins once. Brentford did manage a 3 in a row and a back to back, but were largely dreadful in the middle of the season.

 

It hasn't and won't be pretty, but results tracking about right for a side who wants to stay up. This isn't a mid-table squad, whatever gets said on here.

Hmmm doesn’t really work like that given the opposition waiting us between games 11 to 19.

 

The games v West Ham and Wolves will be so important  

[Samilktray]

This thread should still be locked imho

[Number 6]

9 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Hmmm doesn’t really work like that given the opposition waiting us between games 11 to 19.

 

The games v West Ham and Wolves will be so important  

Not suggesting each block of 10 games will run out at the same rate, but each should be roughly at this rate. Probably our last 10 looks easiest block there.

 

The 10 after Ipswich definitely looks trickier than the first, but there's still West Ham, Wolves, Newcastle, Brentford, Man U in there. Only Liverpool and Man City are the complete write offs.