A Call for Change: A Footballing Reset at Leicester City Football Club

[Mickyblueeyes]

At Leuven, do they (Top or Rudkin) also make the decisions on how its ran ? With the manager making the final decisions or have they hired professionals in roles. If its the latter, why are they treat this club with such disregard. 

[RoboFox]

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Edited 20 January by RoboFox

[dnewty]

5 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

I'm not on X, is there a way I can see what he's said or could you summarise?

 

I read Tanners article this morning, given he pretty much always plays us with a straight bat it was quite damning of what's happened (by his standards)

 

Rudkin is in charge of football affairs, although he delegates major decisions to Khun Top. But managing Leicester’s football matters has become a huge concern. Other clubs have appointed people to assist the director of football to manage the workload and speed up the decision-making, which has become too slow at Leicester.

 

Recruitment has been a huge issue. It has become scattergun, with no clear vision.

 

Quite cutting from Tanner for once

 

[Pliskin]

Having a conversation about this at work, literally no one else has the slightest clue nor can they understand why we are angry. The main one being “you’re mad at the same board who won you the league and the FA cup”…. And then when you try to explain why, they just aren’t interested and just hear winging………

 

 

[foxinsocks]

Jason is just unraveling.. 

Some of the things on his list are key...

 Some not.   The club  were right to let drinky go... the club could do nothing about youri

[foxinsocks]

2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Having a conversation about this at work, literally no one else has the slightest clue nor can they understand why we are angry. The main one being “you’re mad at the same board who won you the league and the FA cup”…. And then when you try to explain why, they just aren’t interested and just hear winging………

 

 

It takes time to ruin a club.  The patronizing of rodgers set in place the psr a d squad limits and caused the 22/23 relegation.   It is hard to find a good decision since 2020

 

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

At Leuven, do they (Top or Rudkin) also make the decisions on how it’s ran ? With the manager making the final decisions or have they hired professionals in roles. If it’s the latter, why are they treat this club with such disregard. 

About two years ago they got a DoF in and they have a board full of locals 

[dnewty]

2 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Jason is just unraveling.. 

Some of the things on his list are key...

 Some not.   The club  were right to let drinky go... the club could do nothing about youri

They were right to let Drinkwater go but they missed the deadline for his replacement which is amateurish. We had to pay Silva his wages for 6 months without kicking a ball due to our ineptitude.

When Youri refused to sign a contract with 18 months to go he should have been sold.

[Stadt]

Top would be absolutely clueless when it comes to replacing Rudkin. Rudkin is supposedly the football 'brain' and we still had to use a recruitment firm to pick up Glover.

 

If the penny hasn't dropped for the just sack Rudkin brigade that Top is a moron - it never will.

Edited 20 January by Stadt

[The boy Linacre]

14 hours ago, Viva said:

Where did you expect us to finish this season? We had one of the three worst squads in the league, so I expected bottom three but hoped for survival. 
Since we got relegated I think we have made many good decisions along with a few bad ones. Which is normal in football. People have just far too obsessed with Rudkin bashing.
It’s embarrassing really being a Leicester fan at the moment. Not because of what’s happening on the pitch, but what happens off it. Hounding out managers and wanting them sacked before a ball was kicked in the season. Booing players during matches. Moaning about everything and anything about the club. Basically giving no help to the players to try and stay up this season and trying to run a club that’s not theirs to run. 
We have no devine right to be a top 8 Premier League team. 

I hoped we would finish 17th, nothing more.  Because its about being in there, and then you TRY and kick on like Forest have, like Brentford have, like Bournemouth have.

What I would say is the fans have plenty of mixed opinions, but they probably know 8-9 of the best 11, who should be at the club and who should be let go, again not 100% but maybe 80/85%

Why would you make lengthy contractual decisions at a lower quality level (big gap), with players that have failed or found it a struggle at the higher level i.e. Hamza, Vestergaard, even McAteer.  That the effects scope for recruitment going forward.

Why spend £20m+ on Skipp when he looks to be a direct Winks replacement, so we had a better version for half the price, why bring Edouard in at such a restrictive cost and loan approach, again last minute (panic-keep the money).

WHEN it will be 50/50 if you stay up or not, you probably have to get the majority of those decisions right, we haven't, and now we are stuck with those players most likely.  Those 5 aren't making us better.

Bilal and maybe Ayew to some small extent, are the only transfer successes last summer, thats not helping the manager and the team.  Class Abdul as prior to that.

Again 2 years ago if Brendan was going in March he goes in the international window at ve latest, not AFTER the 1st game after.  When they had 2 winnable games against Bournemouth and Villa @ home, we had the two backroom staff coaches, who butchered it, and we lost both games, that along with the Brentford game day 1, Southampton game next H game and Maddison's penalty miss is what sent us down.  Might not even have been Rudkin, Top probably would have made the Rogers decision. 

But there was an article on DOF's in the Sunday Times yesterday, and it was really good article, he falls into the "Culture and Leadership" DOF.  Other 2 were Transfer wheeler dealer & Data guru.  It said a DOF is likely to be recruitment centred, ours has been poor for 4-5 seasons now.  And safe to say the culture doesn't look great down there if they are on the lash sending Cooper off and we have no leadership, RVN was scattergun after Cooper, it had to be a dog of manager like Moyes or Dyche, not somebody who hasn't been in the cauldron before, we're not building, we're trying to survive this season.

The results have dictated that the belief and confidence has gone, and any quality and we have been hit by 2 big lengthy injuries, that we couldn't afford.

 

Your absolutely right  we have no divine right to be in the top 8, BUT as EFL Champions and and comfortable title winners and a number of PL level players, I believed/hoped we might finish 17th, and that would have done.  We look likely to fail, I said it was 5 years from 23, not it'll be 5 years from 25 to get anywhere close to where we were, and thats mismanagement and bad decision making.

[Mickyblueeyes]

7 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

About two years ago they got a DoF in and they have a board full of locals 

I wonder how they are finding the ownership. Suggests there is a very much needed distance between the between the idiot and his puppy dog and their club. 

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Top would be absolutely clueless when it comes to replacing Rudkin. Rudkin is supposedly the football 'brain' and we still had to use a recruitment firm to pick up Glover.

 

If the penny hasn't dropped for the just sack Rudkin brigade 5hat Top is a moron - it never will.

It will be someone who used to be involved with LCFC if it ever happens. That or someone of that ilk tells them outright you need an Ashworth type character. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Top would be absolutely clueless when it comes to replacing Rudkin. Rudkin is supposedly the football 'brain' and we still had to use a recruitment firm to pick up Glover.

 

If the penny hasn't dropped for the just sack Rudkin brigade 5hat Top is a moron - it never will.

Top is an idiot. Being Rudkin out means you have to be Top out. He is not fit to run a business of this size. 

Edited 20 January by Mickyblueeyes

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

I wonder how they are finding the ownership. Suggests there is a very much needed distance between the between the idiot and his puppy dog and their club. 

Think there's been frustration at times. Particularly on decision making but they might have conceded some of that to the DoF now. Some patterns when it comes to managers and the same agents/agencies popping up though!

[Stadt]

6 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

It will be someone who used to be involved with LCFC if it ever happens. That or someone of that ilk tells them outright you need an Ashworth type character. 

They're so unimaginative.

 

I'm fed up of the idea we appointed Cooper because of looming points deduction. Given we spent what we did, the club would have known we'd pass. 

 

Cooper fits with the KP lazy recruitment model. Pearson (worked well), Shakespeare, Puel, Cooper and RVN were not extensively researched appointments. 

[moore_94]

10 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

It will be someone who used to be involved with LCFC if it ever happens. That or someone of that ilk tells them outright you need an Ashworth type character. 

I wonder if they will go crawling back to others who wanted the role but had to leave

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Stadt said:

They're so unimaginative.

 

I'm fed up of the idea we appointed Cooper because of looming points deduction. Given we spent what we did, the club would have known we'd pass. 

 

Cooper fits with the KP lazy recruitment model. Pearson (worked well), Shakespeare, Puel, Cooper and RVN were not extensively researched appointments. 

We are going over old ground here but the club have no inkling of preparing and targeting managerial appointments. They follow up 'applications' rather than say that's our man (except Rodgers but you still feel like they have been something which led them to that given how quickly it all evolved). 

 

 

[Muzzy Elliot]

4 hours ago, The Fosse Way said:

Roll up, roll up. Play the great Leicester City blame game: https://www.thefosseway.net/viewpoint/leicester-city-blame-game-january-2025

That’s tickled me 

[Lako42]

1 hour ago, FLAN said:

Would it surprise anyone if people protesting were denied entry to the game?

Good way to increase the numbers of the protest 

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I wonder if they will go crawling back to others who wanted the role but had to leave

Exactly what I think will happen if they seek to change anything. Wins over a number of fans in the process too. 

 

There's a direct correlation in the success of recruitment heads here and the managers being those with the experience in their careers to act as a traditional manager (rather than the head coach system now common in football). Thinking of Puel (& Macia) and Pearson (& Walsh) specifically here who knew what a well-run football club looked like. Rodgers got too much power because of the success of them pair (ie he's doing well with the football, so give him the keys to backroom staff - goodbye Dave Rennie), his recruitment buddy was fcuking crap (and typically has all his ex-Leicester targets excelling at Atalanta). No-one at LCFC football wise enough or strong enough to challenge Rodgers. 

Edited 20 January by CosbehFox

[dmayne7]

23 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

It takes time to ruin a club.  The patronizing of rodgers set in place the psr a d squad limits and caused the 22/23 relegation.   It is hard to find a good decision since 2020

 

 

19 minutes ago, dnewty said:

They were right to let Drinkwater go but they missed the deadline for his replacement which is amateurish. We had to pay Silva his wages for 6 months without kicking a ball due to our ineptitude.

When Youri refused to sign a contract with 18 months to go he should have been sold.

Think dnewty has hit the nail on the head. You've missed the point about Drinkwater as it was selling a key player and failing to sign his replacement in time in what was one of the most embarrassing admin errors in modern football.

 

Could have sold Tielemans at various points when his stock was very high (easy £60m+ after the FA Cup win) but even shipping him out for £30m was likely the season after. And he wasn't the only asset they did that with: Soyuncu probably even worse.

[Stadt]

2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

We are going over old ground here but the club have no inkling of preparing and targeting managerial appointments. They follow up 'applications' rather than say that's our man (except Rodgers but you still feel like they have been something which led them to that given how quickly it all evolved). 

 

 

It's just staggering the lack of proactive thought. 

 

Rodgers was on borrowed time, except for that he wasn't - they genuinely had no plans to sack him even when it was apparent he was taking us down. You could  almost forgive how long it took take sack him if they did have something lined up. But no, failure after failure. The weight of failure is so great you just forget how bad some of it actually was.

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Stadt said:

It's just staggering the lack of proactive thought. 

 

Rodgers was on borrowed time, except for that he wasn't - they genuinely had no plans to sack him even when it was apparent he was taking us down. You could  almost forgive how long it took take sack him if they did have something lined up. But no, failure after failure. The weight of failure is so great you just forget how bad some of it actually was.

Of course as well our stock was still high when Rodgers was failing and they would have been plenty really, well regarded managers that wanted in. 

[Lako42]

33 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Having a conversation about this at work, literally no one else has the slightest clue nor can they understand why we are angry. The main one being “you’re mad at the same board who won you the league and the FA cup”…. And then when you try to explain why, they just aren’t interested and just hear winging………

 

 

Who gives a shit about what anyone else thinks

[Stadt]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

Of course as well our stock was still high when Rodgers was failing and they would have been plenty really, well regarded managers that wanted in. 

Just one or two stitch in time decisions would have prevented a lot tbh. If we sacked Rodgers and appointed Emery around the time Villa did, despite everything else we'd probably be competing for a top 7 finish. Such is the mismanagement since, we might be lucky to compete for a top spot 7 in the championship next season.