General News Thread

[DJW1]

What if the current undemocratic regimes are toppled in Iran, Cuba and Venezuela, and in subsequent elections the people choose a Communist/Marxist government (Cuba, Venezuela) or an Islamist one (Iran, not very likely), which aligns itself with Russia and China?

Would Trump say "oh well, that's democracy"?

[Lionator]

28 minutes ago, DJW1 said:

What if the current undemocratic regimes are toppled in Iran, Cuba and Venezuela, and in subsequent elections the people choose a Communist/Marxist government (Cuba, Venezuela) or an Islamist one (Iran, not very likely), which aligns itself with Russia and China?

Would Trump say "oh well, that's democracy"?

There are many undemocratic regimes all over the world that aren’t toppled because they align with the USA. There also likely won’t be elections in Iran whatever happens, just like in Syria. ‘Democracy’ is just a diversion 

[spacemunky]

Having Trump decide who lives and who dies seems totally reasonable.

[worthosoriginals]

1 minute ago, spacemunky said:

Having Trump decide who lives and who dies seems totally reasonable.

A decent sniper could make one decision  for him.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, spacemunky said:

Having Trump decide who lives and who dies seems totally reasonable.

Well, yes, apparently it is, because "democracy" or "oppression" or somesuch.

[spacemunky]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Well, yes, apparently it is, because "democracy" or "oppression" or somesuch.

So Russia and North Korea up next!

[Jattdogg]

22 minutes ago, spacemunky said:

So Russia and North Korea up next!

He hasn't the balls for that.

 

Type of guy to beat up little kids and act like he is the hardest nutter around.

 

The US needs to mind their own fkin business and stop trying to take over the world. It never ends well.

 

 

[spacemunky]

7 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

He hasn't the balls for that.

 

Type of guy to beat up little kids and act like he is the hardest nutter around.

 

 

Pretty sure it'd be us before those two 

[Lionator]

He’s already talking about negotiations, same as Venezuela. Take out the leader and absolutely nothing else changes, so on reflection absolutely nothing changes short or medium term but makes Trump look like a hard man in the interim. Rinse and repeat cycle. 

[Jattdogg]

8 minutes ago, spacemunky said:

Pretty sure it'd be us before those two 

If he wants a forever war. No Canadians I know will ever be okay with being yanks. 

[Jattdogg]

4 minutes ago, Lionator said:

He’s already talking about negotiations, same as Venezuela. Take out the leader and absolutely nothing else changes, so on reflection absolutely nothing changes short or medium term but makes Trump look like a hard man in the interim. Rinse and repeat cycle. 

American leaders are too stupid to realize this. Twump and his boss Netanyahoo clearly have no plans. Just bomb , just kill innocents. How they sleep at night, no idea.

 

 

[danny.]

I don't agree with the US actions here - not a fan of the Islamic Republic of Iran - but it's no business of the USA at all what they do, and they obviously have nefarious motives rather than any kind of benevolence as claimed.

 

However, did everyone saying it's Trump also say the same against the Democrat "military interventions" i.e. Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo and Libya? I think the US needs to be called out but I don't remember Obama being called out like Trump is called out.

Fully aware I will now be called, again, a Trump/Farage supporter etc. so go for it! But the point stands. 

[Trumpet]

15 minutes ago, danny. said:

I don't agree with the US actions here - not a fan of the Islamic Republic of Iran - but it's no business of the USA at all what they do, and they obviously have nefarious motives rather than any kind of benevolence as claimed.

 

However, did everyone saying it's Trump also say the same against the Democrat "military interventions" i.e. Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo and Libya? I think the US needs to be called out but I don't remember Obama being called out like Trump is called out.

Fully aware I will now be called, again, a Trump/Farage supporter etc. so go for it! But the point stands. 

I agree. I think the blokes a buffoon, but I don’t see anything out of the ordinary here with regards to US foreign policy of the last few decades.

Edited 1 March by Trumpet

[leicsmac]

16 minutes ago, danny. said:

I don't agree with the US actions here - not a fan of the Islamic Republic of Iran - but it's no business of the USA at all what they do, and they obviously have nefarious motives rather than any kind of benevolence as claimed.

 

However, did everyone saying it's Trump also say the same against the Democrat "military interventions" i.e. Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo and Libya? I think the US needs to be called out but I don't remember Obama being called out like Trump is called out.

Fully aware I will now be called, again, a Trump/Farage supporter etc. so go for it! But the point stands. 

 

1 minute ago, Trumpet said:

I agree. I think the blokes a buffoon, but I don’t see anything out of the ordinary here with regards to US foreign policy of the last few decades.

Foreign policy interventions of this type are one of the few areas where there's serious alignment between the two main US parties on policy. As said, the record speaks for itself. 

 

That being said, Trump positioning himself on multiple occasions as a candidate that would not engage in such interventions makes him a liar in a way his predecessors were not. Again. 

[danny.]

Just now, leicsmac said:

 

Foreign policy interventions of this type are one of the few areas where there's serious alignment between the two main US parties on policy. As said, the record speaks for itself. 

 

That being said, Trump positioning himself on multiple occasions as a candidate that would not engage in such interventions makes him a liar in a way his predecessors were not. Again. 

They are all liars. All of them.

[leicsmac]

18 minutes ago, danny. said:

They are all liars. All of them.

And therein lies (haha) the issue with the system itself, being set up to reward such behaviour. 

 

Though, in this case I think perhaps there are liars and liars.

[danny.]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

And therein lies (haha) the issue with the system itself, being set up to reward such behaviour. 

 

Though, in this case I think perhaps there are liars and liars.

And... we're back to tribalism, the liars are graded depending on whose tribe they are from (not directed at you, just a general observation).

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, danny. said:

And... we're back to tribalism, the liars are graded depending on whose tribe they are from (not directed at you, just a general observation).

Fair point. 

 

Perhaps the only way to objectively judge such things is be the degree of damage such lies cause. 

[st albans fox]

Sky just had someone analysing the situation 

she had both US aircraft carriers positioned in eastern med 

 

she even referred to them both being there 

 

journalistic standards are simply dire 

 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, danny. said:

I don't agree with the US actions here - not a fan of the Islamic Republic of Iran - but it's no business of the USA at all what they do, and they obviously have nefarious motives rather than any kind of benevolence as claimed.

 

However, did everyone saying it's Trump also say the same against the Democrat "military interventions" i.e. Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo and Libya? I think the US needs to be called out but I don't remember Obama being called out like Trump is called out.

Fully aware I will now be called, again, a Trump/Farage supporter etc. so go for it! But the point stands. 

America has never been a force for good. 

But then it's never been good Vs evil as they (and we when we normally join in) like to present it.

It's simply about keeping America on top so they can carry on dominating the world. 

And that's solely to keep their rich, rich

 

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

America has never been a force for good. 

But then it's never been good Vs evil as they (and we when we normally join in) like to present it.

It's simply about keeping America on top so they can carry on dominating the world. 

And that's solely to keep their rich, rich

 

I think you might have thought differently in WW2

[leicsmac]

11 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

I think you might have thought differently in WW2

It is perfectly possible for both the US to do something entirely for the sake of their own self interest (and therefore hardly deserving of universal gratitude) and for that to be a dreadful necessity to deal with a worse threat to be true at the same time. 

 

This might be subjective, but IMO for an act to be "good", altruism has to be at least the chief motivator and result of it, as opposed to self interest. 

Edited 1 March by leicsmac

[CornwallFox]

13 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

I think you might have thought differently in WW2

So if I go back 80 years I might find an example of good? Oh that changes everything then

[Foxdiamond]

Just now, CornwallFox said:

So if I go back 80 years I might find an example of good? Oh that changes everything then

You were the one that used the word never

[Foxdiamond]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

It is perfectly possible for both the US to do something entirely for the sake of their own self interest (and therefore hardly deserving of universal gratitude) and for that to be a dreadful necessity to deal with a worse threat to be true at the same time. 

 

This might be subjective, but IMO for an act to be "good", altruism has to be at least the chief motivator and result of it, as opposed to self interest. 

Thank goodness their self interest came down on the right side is the only thing that mattered to people at the time