General News Thread

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Its actually quite funny Trump is going to try to dump this terrible deal, and no doubt the associated terrible decision to go to wat in the first place on Vance and Netanyahu.  They deserve everything they get.

Yep, one thing Trump excels at is finding fall guys to blame, and watching the fallout is going to be funny. 

 

An observation on this; if Netanyahu really has some form of compromat on Trump (Epstein related or otherwise), it will be interesting to see how far things may go before he decides he may as well make it public. 

 

 

[Jon the Hat]

25 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Yep, one thing Trump excels at is finding fall guys to blame, and watching the fallout is going to be funny. 

 

An observation on this; if Netanyahu really has some form of compromat on Trump (Epstein related or otherwise), it will be interesting to see how far things may go before he decides he may as well make it public. 

I am not sure I believe he does, I think Trump was just sold on the glory of fixing something no one else could fix, because he is a moron with a massive ego.

[chuck'em]

1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said:

Such a big bi election and just over half the people could be bothered voting. At least spoil your ballot paper.

The result proves how much of a protest vote greens are because they all go back to Labour when it matters. 

 

With restore on the table, reform and Conservatives need to join up and become a less extreme right wing party. I think there is a lot people of people who have centre right views but can't vote for extreme policies. 

Not sure I agree with this. I think the councils elections were a bit of an eye opener for a lot of people with regards to the support reform has. The split in the left vote allowed Reform to make gains in a lot of areas. My local seat was won by reform by 12 votes from the Labour incumbent, and Greens had a decent vote share. People weren't voting greens as a protest, but if you asked the majority the following day if they'd have switched their vote to Labour they'd say yes. The left have realised that a split plays right into Reforms hands and unity is required now. 

 

Incidentally our new Reform councillor has since been in court charged with weapons offences, so hopefully we will get a chance to see how the vote plays out with with a bit of hindsight.

[deep blue]

3 minutes ago, chuck'em said:

Not sure I agree with this. I think the councils elections were a bit of an eye opener for a lot of people with regards to the support reform has. The split in the left vote allowed Reform to make gains in a lot of areas. My local seat was won by reform by 12 votes from the Labour incumbent, and Greens had a decent vote share. People weren't voting greens as a protest, but if you asked the majority the following day if they'd have switched their vote to Labour they'd say yes. The left have realised that a split plays right into Reforms hands and unity is required now. 

 

Incidentally our new Reform councillor has since been in court charged with weapons offences, so hopefully we will get a chance to see how the vote plays out with with a bit of hindsight.

Interesting.  What area of Manchester are you?  I'm with the LibDems in Stockport where we did a good job of holding off the Reform challenge in the recent local elections.

[Sampson]

I don't think greens are a protest vote either. I think they're a clear voice that a certain proportion of the voters are a bit sick of the right wing economic system we've had pretty much unabated in the UK since 1979. While we of course don't know Burnham's policy the fact he's actually talking about more state intervention and you've got Tony Blair calling him far-left because he talked about inequality makes me think he's going to actually offer a more social democrat economic policy more akin to both Labour and the Tories largely believed in 1945-1979 and win back those Labour voters.

 

I'm Portsmouth South and here we have a LibDem run council and usually have LibDem MPs and they're generally very popular here and many like what the LibDems do here on a local level. They swept up here at the locals, we did go Labour for a few years, but I think it'd be hard to shift the LibDems in many of these parts of the country.

 

The Greens and LibDems actually have a 25-30% between them in all the polling. If Labour could win some of those votes back they could still win 2029 but i also dont think its as simple as them being protest votes either. LibDems especially are very popular in certain parts of the country because of their councils and local mps.

 

What would be more interesting would be if Greens and LibDems formed some kind of voter pact either between them or with Labour. I mean there's definitely the votes there to easily beat Reform if they're distributed right. But I think it'd probably mean Labour and LibDems both giving up of the economic policy of Thatcher and Blair and re-finding their social democratic roots.