Ultra Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 I'm usually very critical over the way the club is run, but in this instance I haven't felt compelled to be riled by what's gone on. That might well be down to the fact that Rob Kelly has somehow got us 10 points from 4 games, if we were still in the relegation zone then I couldn't guarantee the same opinion. What a difference a few wins makes. Indeed. Whether by accident or design, the powers that be at the FOXES are getting it right! The time for serious evaluation will come at the end of the season.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Indeed. Whether by accident or design, the powers that be at the FOXES are getting it right! The time for serious evaluation will come at the end of the season.
Bloomer Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 lol As I said, we are no longer a big Club. Those 3 teams are shite. When have we ever been a big club? We successful under MON but that's because he got us punching above our weight. We have always have been a yo-yo club, top half of the 2nd tier bottom half of the top tier. Its harder now because once you drop out of the top tier the money dries up quickly, but we will flaunt with the Prem again just as surely as we will be relegated to this divsion again. Big Clubs = Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Villa, Spurs, - big grounds, big support, Premier dosh. Leicester - Medium at best.
ithuriel Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 this shite thread is making me tired. if BF wants to sit alone with his opinion thats fine. im now going to ignore this redundant argument
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 Ok, i'm going to admit that i'm completely confused. I'm not ashamed to admit it, please enlighten me on what i'm missing, perhaps PM me if you don't want to reveal all. I'm usually very critical over the way the club is run, but in this instance I haven't felt compelled to be riled by what's gone on. That might well be down to the fact that Rob Kelly has somehow got us 10 points from 4 games, if we were still in the relegation zone then I couldn't guarantee the same opinion. What a difference a few wins makes. You are indeed usually critical of the way the Club is run, and you are 100% spot on all the time. Some people seem to think this thread was done because of an axe to gring against Rob Kelly, it isn't. Too many within the support seem to think that all that matters is what appears on the field on a matchday, well it isn't. We are extremely amatuer off the field and no one wants to do anything about it. The hunt for a manager and the timing of CL's sacking are just the latest episodes in a catalouge of cock-ups. People are too defensive, questions should be asked as to why we have slipped so badly under this administration. You rightly state we have no money Ric, so the question is what is being done to bring more in? How long have they had to bring in extra investment? Perhaps if Davies didn't cling on to the first team like a star struck teenager then we might be able to bring in much needed investment. Rumours of takeovers don't just start, there is a fire out there if you know where to look. The next question is why do people feel the need to come in to a risky business? After relegation from the Premiership you know what the plan was if we didn't get back up in 2 seasons? Well there wasn't one, our administration arrogantly thought we'd bounce back no problem, that is a view most of us held, but we are not running a multi million pound business we can hold those fanciful thought without being held accountable. The admin clung to the hope that CL's 3 year plan would work this season and we'd be back in the big time. The plan to meet costs should we go down this season, hence why not beating Derby at home (on a good run or not) is not acceptable, is to sell our players. The last CEO and Board that had that back up plan took us to the brink of closure, period. We got nigh on 9 million for players then plus a parachute payment and even then it wasn't enough we'd be lucky to get 2.5% of that now. But as long as Tim Davies answers peoples email everything will be okay
Ric Flair Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 You are indeed usually critical of the way the Club is run, and you are 100% spot on all the time. Some people seem to think this thread was done because of an axe to gring against Rob Kelly, it isn't. Too many within the support seem to think that all that matters is what appears on the field on a matchday, well it isn't. We are extremely amatuer off the field and no one wants to do anything about it. The hunt for a manager and the timing of CL's sacking are just the latest episodes in a catalouge of cock-ups. People are too defensive, questions should be asked as to why we have slipped so badly under this administration. You rightly state we have no money Ric, so the question is what is being done to bring more in? How long have they had to bring in extra investment? Perhaps if Davies didn't cling on to the first team like a star struck teenager then we might be able to bring in much needed investment. Rumours of takeovers don't just start, there is a fire out there if you know where to look. The next question is why do people feel the need to come in to a risky business? After relegation from the Premiership you know what the plan was if we didn't get back up in 2 seasons? Well there wasn't one, our administration arrogantly thought we'd bounce back no problem, that is a view most of us held, but we are not running a multi million pound business we can hold those fanciful thought without being held accountable. The admin clung to the hope that CL's 3 year plan would work this season and we'd be back in the big time. The plan to meet costs should we go down this season, hence why not beating Derby at home (on a good run or not) is not acceptable, is to sell our players. The last CEO and Board that had that back up plan took us to the brink of closure, period. We got nigh on 9 million for players then plus a parachute payment and even then it wasn't enough we'd be lucky to get 2.5% of that now. But as long as Tim Davies answers peoples email everything will be okay Your quite right sir! The only thing I would say is that although our board does seem amateur at best, it is atleast often cautious about living beyond our means. Now that can be a good thing and a bad thing because in business it's all about enterprize and taking risks. But if you've had your fingers burnt like we have, then taking risks isn't as much of an option for the fear of it going tits up again. Our board certainly isn't as bad as some other clubs in our position, but that doesn't ours is brilliant either! I think this club faces judgement day come the end of the season. Big decisions need to be made and i'm curious as to whether they'll be up to scratch or not. As i've found with this club it sometimes falls on it's feet and has done with the 4 recent matches. Had we not got the amount of points from those games then we'd literally be facing mutiny and devastation. The board cannot be applauded for what's gone on recently because what's been published rightly or wrongly in the media over our manager search it's certainly made us look like a bunch of simpletons.
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 Your quite right sir! The only thing I would say is that although our board does seem amateur at best, it is atleast often cautious about living beyond our means. Now that can be a good thing and a bad thing because in business it's all about enterprize and taking risks. But if you've had your fingers burnt like we have, then taking risks isn't as much of an option for the fear of it going tits up again. Our board certainly isn't as bad as some other clubs in our position, but that doesn't ours is brilliant either! I think this club faces judgement day come the end of the season. Big decisions need to be made and i'm curious as to whether they'll be up to scratch or not. As i've found with this club it sometimes falls on it's feet and has done with the 4 recent matches. Had we not got the amount of points from those games then we'd literally be facing mutiny and devastation. The board cannot be applauded for what's gone on recently because what's been published rightly or wrongly in the media over our manager search it's certainly made us look like a bunch of simpletons. Got no problem with them being cautious and living within our means, but I do have issue with the fact that we have been unable to attract sizeable investment over the last few years amongst many other things. I also have great issue with the fact that we don't have necessary plans in plans in place that involved worst case scenarios like relegation or not getting back up in 2 years. Call it arrogance or short-sightedness but it is utter incompetence either way. Too many people think that just because Davies replies to their emails suggesting Jose Mourinho as manager that he is the man and everything is hunky-dory.
Jon the Hat Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Got no problem with them being cautious and living within our means, but I do have issue with the fact that we have been unable to attract sizeable investment over the last few years amongst many other things. I also have great issue with the fact that we don't have necessary plans in plans in place that involved worst case scenarios like relegation or not getting back up in 2 years. Call it arrogance or short-sightedness but it is utter incompetence either way. Too many people think that just because Davies replies to their emails suggesting Jose Mourinho as manager that he is the man and everything is hunky-dory. How would you know what plans are or aren't in place? I find it extremely unlikey that the club wouldn't have a plan for to deal with relegation. Like them or not, the board have put money into the club. I don't see anyone else stumping up the cash do you? you might not like Tim Davies, but companies with turnover of our club don't attract the biggest names in the world of business any more than they do in the world of Football. Our recent history of Administration, poor record in the league and complete lack of challenge for the Playoffs makes us an unattractive proposition to investors. Any football club is bad enough, and to be honest the word investment is a misnomer, as it implies that there is an expected return. Outside the big three or four, that just isn't the case. You are in dreamland if you think that there are "investors" sitting around waiting for the club to attract their interest. you are looking for a rich City fan who can afford to give away millions. Good luck. I'm sure if you can find someone the club would be more that gratefull.
Thracian Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 How would you know what plans are or aren't in place? I find it extremely unlikey that the club wouldn't have a plan for to deal with relegation. Like them or not, the board have put money into the club. I don't see anyone else stumping up the cash do you? you might not like Tim Davies, but companies with turnover of our club don't attract the biggest names in the world of business any more than they do in the world of Football. Our recent history of Administration, poor record in the league and complete lack of challenge for the Playoffs makes us an unattractive proposition to investors. Any football club is bad enough, and to be honest the word investment is a misnomer, as it implies that there is an expected return. Outside the big three or four, that just isn't the case. You are in dreamland if you think that there are "investors" sitting around waiting for the club to attract their interest. you are looking for a rich City fan who can afford to give away millions. Good luck. I'm sure if you can find someone the club would be more that grateful. I just sat down and wrote a detailed explanation of exactly what you say above remarking too that there is a big difference between and investor and a benefactor. Anyway I crossed it all out because it was far too complex and you have now summed it up perfectly. So thanks.
Fox4ever Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Course you do Walter Several chairman (in turn) were asked for permission to speak to their respective managers. Only one got as far as being allowed to attend an interview. Two interviews in fact, and this is what he had to say "Never at any stage did I consider going to Leicester," Newell told PA Sport. "I am an ex-Leicester player, and I spoke to them out of courtesy. It never reached a stage where I was offered a job. Let that be an end to all this and move on.
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 How would you know what plans are or aren't in place? I find it extremely unlikey that the club wouldn't have a plan for to deal with relegation. Like them or not, the board have put money into the club. I don't see anyone else stumping up the cash do you? you might not like Tim Davies, but companies with turnover of our club don't attract the biggest names in the world of business any more than they do in the world of Football. Our recent history of Administration, poor record in the league and complete lack of challenge for the Playoffs makes us an unattractive proposition to investors. Any football club is bad enough, and to be honest the word investment is a misnomer, as it implies that there is an expected return. Outside the big three or four, that just isn't the case. You are in dreamland if you think that there are "investors" sitting around waiting for the club to attract their interest. you are looking for a rich City fan who can afford to give away millions. Good luck. I'm sure if you can find someone the club would be more that gratefull. I don't think you quite understand what is meant by seeking additional investment. I am not talking about a Jack Walker or John Madjeski, those guys are a benefactor or 'sugar-daddy' (to help those that read The Sun), we clearly don't have one otherwise he'd have stepped up a couple of years back. There are however many other ways off increasing revenue and investment in to the Club, and not once has this happened other than a Foxes Trust donation. Someone has already touched on just one of those many avenues.
Head Honcho Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 You are indeed usually critical of the way the Club is run, and you are 100% spot on all the time. Some people seem to think this thread was done because of an axe to gring against Rob Kelly, it isn't. Too many within the support seem to think that all that matters is what appears on the field on a matchday, well it isn't. We are extremely amatuer off the field and no one wants to do anything about it. The hunt for a manager and the timing of CL's sacking are just the latest episodes in a catalouge of cock-ups. People are too defensive, questions should be asked as to why we have slipped so badly under this administration. You rightly state we have no money Ric, so the question is what is being done to bring more in? How long have they had to bring in extra investment? Perhaps if Davies didn't cling on to the first team like a star struck teenager then we might be able to bring in much needed investment. Rumours of takeovers don't just start, there is a fire out there if you know where to look. The next question is why do people feel the need to come in to a risky business? After relegation from the Premiership you know what the plan was if we didn't get back up in 2 seasons? Well there wasn't one, our administration arrogantly thought we'd bounce back no problem, that is a view most of us held, but we are not running a multi million pound business we can hold those fanciful thought without being held accountable. The admin clung to the hope that CL's 3 year plan would work this season and we'd be back in the big time. The plan to meet costs should we go down this season, hence why not beating Derby at home (on a good run or not) is not acceptable, is to sell our players. The last CEO and Board that had that back up plan took us to the brink of closure, period. We got nigh on 9 million for players then plus a parachute payment and even then it wasn't enough we'd be lucky to get 2.5% of that now. But as long as Tim Davies answers peoples email everything will be okay I think I need a lie down! I actually agree with you on this post Bartonfox
The People's Hero Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 I think I need a lie down! I actually agree with you on this post Bartonfox You know what they say... if you take enough wild shots in the dark, one will hit the target.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 There are however many other ways off increasing revenue and investment in to the Club. Care to enlighten us then oh mighty one as to what the board should be doing to increase revenue.
Disillusioned Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Well done, here is another one. As it goes my disillusioned lamb, Levein's time was up at Christmas and although I backed him he had to go, there was no justification for giving him those extra games. But lets not let that little nugget ruin your little rant. Still no one backing up Davies or McCahill Really Barton? So how do you account for this little nugget of your own posted on the 20th December: '...As for me I am perfectly happy the manager gave us a blue print told us how it would work and nothing has happened to suggest he was lying or wrong. The only thing that gets to me is the clueless fools that spout on how bad things are and yet offer up no viable solutions not that one is needed.' And just in case this was a mental aberration you write a few hours later: 'The current clamour about CL and some of the players who were prejudged before their arrival further enforces that...' Well?
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 I think I need a lie down! I actually agree with you on this post Bartonfox You shouldn't have admitted that Allen, you'll be cut from the flock
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 Really Barton? So how do you account for this little nugget of your own posted on the 20th December: '...As for me I am perfectly happy the manager gave us a blue print told us how it would work and nothing has happened to suggest he was lying or wrong. The only thing that gets to me is the clueless fools that spout on how bad things are and yet offer up no viable solutions not that one is needed.' And just in case this was a mental aberration you write a few hours later: 'The current clamour about CL and some of the players who were prejudged before their arrival further enforces that...' Well? Well done, are you disillusioned all the time? What day does Christmas fall on?
The People's Hero Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Really Barton? So how do you account for this little nugget of your own posted on the 20th December: '...As for me I am perfectly happy the manager gave us a blue print told us how it would work and nothing has happened to suggest he was lying or wrong. The only thing that gets to me is the clueless fools that spout on how bad things are and yet offer up no viable solutions not that one is needed.' And just in case this was a mental aberration you write a few hours later: 'The current clamour about CL and some of the players who were prejudged before their arrival further enforces that...' Well? Mate, arguing with this fool is pointless. He never responds to serious criticism, just throws his toys out of his pram and resorts to personal insults which have nothing to do with the argument itself. The thing is, I bet he really does believe that he could run a football club better than the present incumbents... perhaps he should have your username?
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 Mate, arguing with this fool is pointless. He never responds to serious criticism, just throws his toys out of his pram and resorts to personal insults which have nothing to do with the argument itself. The thing is, I bet he really does believe that he could run a football club better than the present incumbents... perhaps he should have your username? Hmmm once again all you can do is respond to my posts, this one wasn't even directed to anyone other than ol' disillusioned, are you stalking me? Do you actually have anything to say on Leicester City Football Club?
The People's Hero Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Hmmm once again all you can do is respond to my posts, this one wasn't even directed to anyone other than ol' disillusioned, are you stalking me? Do you actually have anything to say on Leicester City Football Club? I usually wait till I have something worth saying. I see you do the opposite.
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 I usually wait till I have something worth saying. I see you do the opposite. Clearly you don't
The People's Hero Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Clearly you don't Good response. If you want to try to out-argue or outwit someone, you've picked on the wrong person. Your arguments are flawed. Your attitude towards others is nothing short of disgusting. I know some arrogant people, but they usually have something to be arrogant about.
Cobbo Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Chill folks We're all City fans at the end of the day, debate is good, bickering is for Crown Services.
BartonFox Posted 15 February 2006 Author Posted 15 February 2006 Good response. If you want to try to out-argue or outwit someone, you've picked on the wrong person. Your arguments are flawed. Your attitude towards others is nothing short of disgusting. I know some arrogant people, but they usually have something to be arrogant about. Oh TPH is all upset, there is nothing sharp in your midst is there?
The People's Hero Posted 15 February 2006 Posted 15 February 2006 Oh TPH is all upset, there is nothing sharp in your midst is there? Your jibes about self-harming are just wrong.. You're scum. That's all there is to it. Scum.
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