Manwell Pablo Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 I will if I can find one (anyone know what a mirrior is?), this whole debate about crucifying Taylor is boring, he was a crap manager for us, so what we've had a few. The major mistakes were in the boardroom (why did we pay him more money not to leave after he lost 13 matches on the bounce???). I have better things to worry about. That is based on opinion, in my opinion, Taylor was given money by the board ( agreed, very stupidly ) however the board didn't spend it on utter rubbish, he did.
Sir Fynwy Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 That is based on opinion, in my opinion, Taylor was given money by the board ( agreed, very stupidly ) however the board didn't spend it on utter rubbish, he did. Clubs don't just give a manager a load of money and say 'off you go and spend that', a manger has to go to the board to sanction each signing (the cost of the player, the wages, the length of contract and any other terms involved), at any point in any of the poor signings that Taylor made one of several people could have vetoed it. Maybe Taylor had then all under his hypnotic influence but having heard the bloke speak I don't think so!
The Don Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 You cannot blame the board for decisions that the manager made. If the board could make the football related decisions what is the point in a manager??
Sir Fynwy Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 You cannot blame the board for decisions that the manager made. If the board could make the football related decisions what is the point in a manager?? Player signings are all sanctioned by the board, they are the most expensive part of running a football club, if the board don't control that they don't control the business.
Ric Flair Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 You cannot blame the board for decisions that the manager made. If the board could make the football related decisions what is the point in a manager??
The Don Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Player signings are all sanctioned by the board, they are the most expensive part of running a football club, if the board don't control that they don't control the business. So every board member must not only be rich, want to invest time and money. They have to be a fookin footballing genius, who knows about all football players and have their own scouting network. No, they employ someone who is more skilled in that department. Unfortunitely, as good a CV as he has, Taylor was dog sh*te. Yes the board got it wrong by employing him, but that is only hindsight, as most of us thought he would be good enough.
Ric Flair Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 OMG you don't have a clue how football clubs run. OMG yes I do. Hello.
Sir Fynwy Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 OMG yes I do. Hello. So you are saying that a manager can sign a player without getting the OK from the board or CEO, if you are you do not know how a football club runs.
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 So you are saying that a manager can sign a player without getting the OK from the board or CEO, if you are you do not know how a football club runs. Totally true. Show me a board ( hearts aside ) that will stop a manager signing the players he wants though. Unfortuantely they relise its not their job to sign players, they tend to trust the management.
Phube Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Not sure who said it but I think that vilifying Peter Taylor isn't on - i.e. PT what a W****** is one I didn't join in. Whereas the chant when we were 2-1 up about 'PT F****** it up again' was one I would join in as it is a statement of fact, not unjustified (IMO) personal abuse... Just a shame they leveled so soon afterward to cut the chant short!!!
Sir Fynwy Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Totally true. Show me a board ( hearts aside ) that will stop a manager signing the players he wants though. Unfortuantely they relise its not their job to sign players, they tend to trust the management. Loads of signings get knocked back by clubs boards, the managers usually present a list of players they would like (and generally have to explain why), the busiest man at City when we are signing players is TD not the current manager. You seem to have some totally wierd ideas about what goes on behind the scenes at a football club.
Ric Flair Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 So you are saying that a manager can sign a player without getting the OK from the board or CEO, if you are you do not know how a football club runs. Obviously they have to go through the board, but when a board appoints a manager they then trust their judgement in signing players. There aren't many clubs that appoint a manager and then question the manager's potential signings, if they do then that's when the board and managers fall out and it often results in the managers leaving, something I wish had happened when Taylor was here. The board should have wised up to the fact that Taylor was gash in the transfer market, it would have saved the club a whole lot of problems. Both are to blame, but in defence of the board they are bound to back the manager they have appointed to a certain extent just like the fans do to start off with. Not at any point did the board fail to back Taylor, so as far as Taylor is concerned he is completely at fault as he had all the support and help from the club yet still ****ed up big time. The board do have to be held accountable aswell because at the end of the day they appointed him and they gave him an open chequebook, but even so in football you have to have faith in the people you appoint and that's what happened. They eventually caught wind of the scam and got rid of him, but it was unfortunately too late.
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 March 2006 Author Posted 6 March 2006 Loads of signings get knocked back by clubs boards, the managers usually present a list of players they would like (and generally have to explain why), the busiest man at City when we are signing players is TD not the current manager. You seem to have some totally wierd ideas about what goes on behind the scenes at a football club. The boards job is to see if the transfere is financially possible, and worth the money, but seeing as they dont really know all that much about football compared to the manager its hard to blaim them as much as Taylor, For instance if the current England U21 Manager wishes to sign Lee Marshell as he is "The future of English football" then who are our board to argue.
werestandingup_weresittingdown Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Exactly. you what, you what, you what you what you what???? no you cant sing a song sitting down......
Guest Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 you what, you what, you what you what you what???? no you cant sing a song sitting down...... Sit down, shut up.
Phube Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 no you cant sing a song sitting down...... Funny I've been doing it for 11 years!! Perhaps I think I'm singing when infact I'm just mute!!????
Sir Fynwy Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 The boards job is to see if the transfere is financially possible, and worth the money, but seeing as they dont really know all that much about football compared to the manager its hard to blaim them as much as Taylor, For instance if the current England U21 Manager wishes to sign Lee Marshell as he is "The future of English football" then who are our board to argue. The board of a football club has overall responsibility for all operations of the club, therefore they bear the ultimate responsibility for everything that happens at the club.
Strokes Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 These are the facts - 'KOP' - Absolutely pathetic and not a kop at all. Sporadic chants. Didnt hear them at all on saturday!! Embarassing. Didnt give taylor ANY stick. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 'L1' - At least they gave it a go. Stood and sang for the majority of the 90mins. This section is a million times more like a kop than anywhere else in the ground. The people on here who slag off the L1ers, fock right off. If there was no people singing in L1 i dread to think what the atmosphere would be like. Chavs, scumbags, wannabe hooligans blah blah blah. VOCAL SUPPORT - thats what they are. Like ive said before, any singers need to move to L1. You voice is wasted anywhere else because there will undoubtedly a miserable bastard behind you telling you to shut up and sit down. L1 - Keep up the good work. Rest of WS - at least your hands must me quite warm after sitting on them for 90mins. Agree with this post 100%, the kop were pathetic in saturday, i for one shall be moving to L1 next year at least they try to make an atmosphere.
Guest Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Agree with this post 100%, the kop were pathetic in saturday, i for one shall be moving to L1 next year at least they try to make an atmosphere. Bye!
Strokes Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Bye! SSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jonbluefox9 Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 A number of clubs called areas 'Spion Kop' after a battle that took place during the Boer War. Kop comes from kopje, which means 'small hill', which is essentially what these stands (such as they were) used to be like. To go back to the assumption that moving the present Kop to the North stand, should the Kops at both Anfield and Hillsborough consider moving? Fans do NOT need to be next to the away fans to generate an atmosphere. To say that an atmosphere can only be created by spending 90 minutes focusing your attention on the away fans is a pathetic excuse, and seems to me to be lazy. I think too many fans are focusing too much on the fact the design and layout of the stadium, not on the other issues that contribute to matchday atmosphere. When I go to away games, it makes me laugh to see a bunch of wannabes who want to spend 90 minutes trying to wind me up by telling me that Leicester is in fact a small town in Derby, and that I have apparently slept with a number members of my own family. I feel embarrassed that people think this of Leicester fans. I'd rather be thought of as boring than have people laughing at me because i think Arsenal is a place. At Filbert Street, most of the noise came from a section of the Kop. When we moved, these were split amongst L1 and the South stand at the WS. The South stand holds around 9,000, which could be over double the entire Kop of Filbert St (at a guess). So fewer of the singers, in a larger area dispersed amongst fans who were not part of the original Kop. And don't forget that not all ex-Koppites sang. The area near to the Carling Stand was not as noisy. We also have higher attendances than we did at Filbert Street. We only ever got close to 21,000 sell outs in the Premiership. We are averaging more than that now. This suggests that there are people at the WS who never went to Filbert Street. If this is the case, they won't know what SK1 was like, so how can you have a go at them for that? On pitch performance makes all the difference - people are forgetting that the atmosphere in the first season at the WS, when we were heading for promotion plus the fact the whole footballing world was against us, wasn't as bad as people make out. At the end of the day, I want to go to support my team. I will do this. However, if the person who sits next to me doesn't want to join in, so what? That's their decision. I don't care if they give me dirty looks. I certainly won't use that as an excuse not to sing, and I definitely won't be criticising them for not joining in! Who are you to say who can and cannot go to watch football matches? Who said that those who have ever sung the song "small town in Arsenal" believe that Arsenal is really a place? Since when have football chants ever been factually correct? I dread to think what away fans think of us when we sing that Leicester City are "by far the greatest team, the world has ever seen". That's quite clearly as true as saying Tottenham is a small town in Arsenal. I've heard reports from Hull fans commenting on how quiet the stadium was but none saying "those idiots next to us said we're a small town in Grimsby when we're not, twats".
Phube Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 I've heard reports from Hull fans commenting on how quiet the stadium was but none saying "those idiots next to us said we're a small town in Grimsby when we're not, twats". Yeah but as people have said the first half was a particularly dire affair, and if CL was still in charge I bet there would have been some boo's at the end of the half!! Players making crap passes for 45mins is not condusive to a good atmosphere!
Jonbluefox9 Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 Yeah but as people have said the first half was a particularly dire affair, and if CL was still in charge I bet there would have been some boo's at the end of the half!! Players making crap passes for 45mins is not condusive to a good atmosphere! The point I'm trying to make is that I've never heard an away fan say "the supporters at Leicester came up with songs that aren't true and I thought they were laughable" but I have heard them say that "they hardly sing all game and the atmosphere created is for the most part poor".
Vestan Pance Posted 6 March 2006 Posted 6 March 2006 I don't think that Taylor is hated by the majority, he is just a laughing stock really, and that will hurt him more. The time to hate him was when he was when he was managing us and spending the money but sadly many didn't see it until it was too late. How many protested after the Bolton 5-0? A. About 10 outside the old main stand. He made himself look even more foolish by expecting a hammering when most of us consider him no more than a bad joke along with Akinbiyi.
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