Israel

[Steven]

So no home for the predictable, tedious and often ridiculous left-wing rantings I've come to expect from you?

Where would we put your fascist tirades?

[Daggers]

I'm OK, there's going to be a banal section. I love banal...in fact, I love all ethnic music.

[The People's Hero]

Where would we put your fascist tirades?

Ermmm.....

Example please?

[Ultra]

I think Ronnie Rosenthal's contribution to this thread has been largely ignored. Shame on you guys. The man has feelings you know.

Ancient history.

This is the new face of Israeli football..

[Knighton Matt]

Ermmm.....

Example please?

He obviously wasn't loving your work in dismissing the free iPod offer that Popey keeps banging on about :w00t:

[The People's Hero]

He obviously wasn't loving your work in dismissing the free iPod offer that Popey keeps banging on about :w00t:

Yeah.. to take the left wing stance, Ipods shouldn't really exist as they are manufactured by a money making organisation which really is a product of the commercial, capital age. Really we should all be growing carrots and helping our neighbours who haven't grown any carrots because they are lazy, despicable layabouts who just smoke drugs all day.

[Knighton Matt]

Yeah.. to take the left wing stance, Ipods shouldn't really exist as they are manufactured by a money making organisation which really is a product of the commercial, capital age. Really we should all be growing carrots and helping our neighbours who haven't grown any carrots because they are lazy, despicable layabouts who just smoke drugs all day.

So you're a fascist Marxist? I'm confused?

Moral of the story - Do not covet thy neighbour's ass

[The People's Hero]

So you're a fascist Marxist? I'm confused?

Moral of the story - Do not covet thy neighbour's ass

I'm a bullsh itist mate!

My saving grace is that unlike a few others, I don't try to pretend otherwise.

[Knighton Matt]

I'm a bullsh itist mate!

My saving grace is that unlike a few others, I don't try to pretend otherwise.

So you're a bullshitter and I'm pretentious...

Knighton Matt + TPH = ??

[moseeds]

hi all.

You might not like George Galloway, but here he is on SKYTV giving it a mouthful. I agree with his views about this conflict. Sky woman got no chance, poor lass...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videopla..._060806,00.html

[moseeds]

Actually, it was the Spanish who first used campos de reconcentramiento in Cuba, a few years before the British first used concentration camps.

Exactly why I believe that humanity is better off without religion. If we were to replace irrationality and superstition with reason and logic, it would be a lot harder for dictators to get away with it. They would have no excuse. If we were to listen to our conscience rather than blindly following dogma, the world would be a much better place.

the fairy story believers skipped over thais one LH

Reason is a fickle and relative concept that varies from culture to culture, person to person. Ask a post-modernist about their views on logic...

[Steven]

hi all.

You might not like George Galloway, but here he is on SKYTV giving it a mouthful. I agree with his views about this conflict. Sky woman got no chance, poor lass...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videopla..._060806,00.html

He's right of course.

[Daggers]

Reason is a fickle and relative concept that varies from culture to culture, person to person. Ask a post-modernist about their views on logic...

No.

The scientific method involves the following basic facets:

* Description. Information must be reliable, i.e., replicable (repeatable) as well as valid (relevant to the inquiry).

* Prediction. Information must be valid for observations past, present, and future of given phenomena, i.e., purported "one shot" phenomena do not give rise to the capability to predict, nor to the ability to repeat an experiment.

* Control. Actively and fairly sampling the range of possible occurrences, whenever possible and proper, as opposed to the passive acceptance of opportunistic data, is the best way to control or counterbalance the risk of empirical bias.

* Falsifiability, or the elimination of plausible alternatives. This is a gradual process that requires repeated experiments by multiple researchers who must be able to replicate results in order to corroborate them. This requirement, one of the most frequently contended, leads to the following: All hypotheses and theories are in principle subject to disproof. Thus, there is a point at which there might be a consensus about a particular hypothesis or theory, yet it must in principle remain tentative. As a body of knowledge grows and a particular hypothesis or theory repeatedly brings predictable results, confidence in the hypothesis or theory increases.

* Causal explanation. Many scientists and theorists on scientific method argue that concepts of causality are not obligatory to science, but are fact well-defined only under particular, admittedly widespread conditions. Under these conditions the following requirements are generally regarded as important to scientific understanding:

* Identification of causes. Identification of the causes of a particular phenomenon to the best achievable extent.

* Covariation of events. The hypothesized causes must correlate with observed effects.

* Time-order relationship. The hypothesized causes must precede the observed effects in time.

[Steven]

No.

I'm going to have nightmare's I had to do that sort of stuff at Uni. <_<

[Steven]

Reason is a fickle and relative concept that varies from culture to culture, person to person. Ask a post-modernist about their views on logic...

Reason is relative but logic, though postmodernists may reject it, is unbending, unyielding and always demonstrable.

[Daggers]

Reason is a fickle and relative concept that varies from culture to culture, person to person. Ask a post-modernist about their views on logic...

Boolean logic is empirical, propositional logic is empirical too.

Logic ceases to be empirical when one starts to argue for bivalance or anti-realism...which leads one into metaphysics and therefore ceases to be an arguement against the empiricism of logic.

QED, logic is not relative.

[Daggers]

I'm going to have nightmare's I had to do that sort of stuff at Uni. <_<

Goddammit! Now I've given myself nightmares for the night :pinch:

[moseeds]

In politics, A and B can both be the same thing...one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Logic works well when you know what the variables are and that they are definite. Unfortunately human behaviour is far from predictable and hence logic goes flying out the window.

Ask a computer to figure out human logic and it will most likely spontaneously combust.

[Daggers]

In politics, A and B can both be the same thing...one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Logic works well when you know what the variables are and that they are definite. Unfortunately human behaviour is far from predictable and hence logic goes flying out the window.

Ask a computer to figure out human logic and it will most likely spontaneously combust.

I understand what you are saying, but from a propositional logic perspective that simply isn't the case.

For a start, one does away with terms such as 'terrorist' which are political constructs and consequently have no worth.

[Steven]

In politics, A and B can both be the same thing...one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Logic works well when you know what the variables are and that they are definite. Unfortunately human behaviour is far from predictable and hence logic goes flying out the window.

Ask a computer to figure out human logic and it will most likely spontaneously combust.

That is a non sequitur.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

I hate this phrase - from a humanitarian prospective there are pretty solid lines that can be drawn between freedom fighting and terrorism.

If you attack an occupying force's soldiers and infrastructure, I'd argue this is freedom fighting. Deliberately targeting civilians to try and 'force' an outcome by the occupying force's government should be found in the terrorism basket.

[Steven]

I hate this phrase - from a humanitarian prospective there are pretty solid lines that can be drawn between freedom fighting and terrorism.

If you attack an occupying force's soldiers and infrastructure, I'd argue this is freedom fighting. Deliberately targeting civilians to try and 'force' an outcome by the occupying force's government should be found in the terrorism basket.

As yesterday marked the bombing of Hiroshima by your definition this was an act of terrorism.

[Ultra]

I hate this phrase - from a humanitarian prospective there are pretty solid lines that can be drawn between freedom fighting and terrorism.

If you attack an occupying force's soldiers and infrastructure, I'd argue this is freedom fighting. Deliberately targeting civilians to try and 'force' an outcome by the occupying force's government should be found in the terrorism basket.

So would you regard the Israelis as "terrorists" then?

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

As yesterday marked the bombing of Hiroshima by your definition this was an act of terrorism.

Bloody oath it was. I'm sure half of the Japanese people mutilated in that attack didn't give a toss about the war - it was a belligerent and over-the-top yankee 'quick fix' to force the Japanese to lay down arms.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

So would you regard the Israelis as "terrorists" then?

I'd label some Israeli action over the past 40 years as acts of terrorism, although I still maintain that the current Israel/Iran conflict has seen a justified response from Israel on Hezbollah. This has unfortunately resulted in civilian casualties. I've noted that the Lebanese Government is now bitching about Israelis being on their soil - no such bitching was heard about the Syrian nationalist presence on their soil...