Israel

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

If the launch pads for the attacks were from Dublin and the Irish government did nothing to stop them I have no doubt that we would have done.

I see you still haven't answered the question

Exactly. The Israeli campaign is in the south, as well as strategic locations to hinder Hezbollah operations, not some wanton destruction of the country.

[Thracian]

Stop engaging in acts of petty vengence.

Stop treating Arabs like second class citizens.

Retreat to the pre-67 borders

Engage the Governments around them in peaceful dialogue

If it did the above and Hezbollah attacked them then I would support the RAF carpet bombing large swathes of Southern Lebanon. Israel needs to become a functioning World Citizen and renounce violence (akin to South Africa and apartheid) before I could agree to supporting it.

I sympathise with your sentiments.

I seem to remember Neville Chamberlain fancied the no violence/last mile of dialogue approach before the Second World War. Trouble is it's pretty ineffective when your neighbour/s are hell bent on blasting you out of existence.

Doesn't it worry you Steven that the Muslim fundamentalists are uncompromising even with others of their own religion never mind anyone else. So where on earth would you realistically start?

And why is it even worth debating?. Because there are three situations which could easily provoke World conflict and there are people who would manipulate any one or all of those situations in turn to make sure that happens.

China/Taiwan is the first, North Korea is the second and The Middle East cauldron of hatred is the third.

It would be nice if sooner or later some wisdom prevailed.

Its even set me wondering whether the World would be beter run by women leaders, more particularly women who are mothers.

My wife consistently weeps at the endless slaughter she sees on television and when I asked her to explain her feelings she said it was basically because she was a mother.

If men had to go through nine months of children growing in their bellies and then go through the pain of giving birth and the commitment of feeding/changing those kids then they wouldn't be so keen to wipe life out in her view.

She has also technically died once and thus had her gratifude and appreciation of life re-emphasised.

The point is, would countries/religions be wiser/more understanding/less confrontational with mothers as their leaders?

I'd be interested in any opinions.

[Dr The Singh]

The PLO recognised Israel, after many years of pressure to do so.

How did Israel respond? By holding the president of the PLO for years under house arrest, only releasing him when he was on the verge of death.

One has to wonder whether they've EVER really wanted peace.

Not quite true, PLO accepted Israel but what about Hamas.....it was a very good tactical ploy, the political front accepts Israel and it's temporal\armed force Hamas carries on as usual!!! As we know PLo and Hamas are very well linked!!!

I'm not saying Israel is a saint it also has alot to answer to, but it cannot trust it's neighbours, the enemy it has does not play by rules, or morals.................

[Steven]

Exactly. The Israeli campaign is in the south, as well as strategic locations to hinder Hezbollah operations, not some wanton destruction of the country.

Beirut Airport is in the middle of the Country.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Beirut Airport is in the middle of the Country.

The Israeli campaign is in the south, as well as strategic locations ...

[Dr The Singh]

In terms of its armed forces, Israel is a lot bigger than its neighbours.

Its US sugar daddy sees to that.

Not quite, Israel is technologically advanced but it has alot less personnel and weaponry then those that tried to invade it, 1967 war per say!!! Not to add all the jihadis accross the world!!!

Yes, daddy US has made Israel a powerful puppet!!!

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Its even set me wondering whether the World would be beter run by women leaders, more particularly women who are mothers.

My wife consistently weeps at the endless slaughter she sees on television and when I asked her to explain her feelings she said it was basically because she was a mother.

If men had to go through nine months of children growing in their bellies and then go through the pain of giving birth and the commitment of feeding/changing those kids then they wouldn't be so keen to wipe life out in her view.

She has also technically died once and thus had her gratifude and appreciation of life re-emphasised.

The point is, would countries/religions be wiser/more understanding/less confrontational with mothers as their leaders?

I'd be interested in any opinions.

There's definitely not enough girl power on the world stage, one of the points emphasised in a personal favourite, Terminator 2:

Sarah Connor: How are you supposed to know? ****ing men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death...

John Connor: Mom.

Sarah Connor: ...and destruction...

John Connor: Mom! We need to be a little more constructive here, okay?

"

[Steven]

The Israeli campaign is in the south, as well as strategic locations ...

Using that phrase as cover for bombing wherever they feel like.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Using that phrase as cover for bombing wherever they feel like.

Right... cos that makes military sense. We'd end up dropping ballbearings from aeroplanes cos we wasted all the missiles bombing video stores and cabaret lounges

[The People's Hero]

I sympathise with your sentiments.

I seem to remember Neville Chamberlain fancied the no violence/last mile of dialogue approach before the Second World War. Trouble is it's pretty ineffective when your neighbour/s are hell bent on blasting you out of existence.

Doesn't it worry you Steven that the Muslim fundamentalists are uncompromising even with others of their own religion never mind anyone else. So where on earth would you realistically start?

And why is it even worth debating?. Because there are three situations which could easily provoke World conflict and there are people who would manipulate any one or all of those situations in turn to make sure that happens.

China/Taiwan is the first, North Korea is the second and The Middle East cauldron of hatred is the third.

It would be nice if sooner or later some wisdom prevailed.

Its even set me wondering whether the World would be beter run by women leaders, more particularly women who are mothers.

My wife consistently weeps at the endless slaughter she sees on television and when I asked her to explain her feelings she said it was basically because she was a mother.

If men had to go through nine months of children growing in their bellies and then go through the pain of giving birth and the commitment of feeding/changing those kids then they wouldn't be so keen to wipe life out in her view.

She has also technically died once and thus had her gratifude and appreciation of life re-emphasised.

The point is, would countries/religions be wiser/more understanding/less confrontational with mothers as their leaders?

I'd be interested in any opinions.

I'd suggest not, although it is an interesting point.

For me, to have religions existing side by side can only work where moderates are all that exist and that they practise utilising common sense. Wherever fanaticism is allowed to develop, conflict is necessary.

I believe that the doctrines of a number of religions are technically incompatible anyway...

The more people talk about a supremely just, moral and good being, the less they have to act like them (in my opinion/experience).

[Dr The Singh]

Right... cos that makes military sense. We'd end up dropping ballbearings from aeroplanes cos we wasted all the missiles bombing video stores and cabaret lounges

No, not the cabaret lounges....what will the men do during the bombings.......caberat lounges are the safest place to be as they are usually in some cellar or underground location!!!

[Monk]

Israel had kidnapped two Palestinians a few days before. Their fate is still unknown.

Like I posted before I really seriously doubt this is the real reason!

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

For me, to have religions existing side by side can only work where moderates are all that exist and that they practise utilising common sense. Wherever fanaticism is allowed to develop, conflict is necessary.

I believe that the doctrines of a number of religions are technically incompatible anyway...

Whilst there would of course be some technically incompatible points between the hundreds of world religions, I think as you've said the thing we need to push for is a moderate approach, with tolerance and common sense.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

No, not the cabaret lounges....what will the men do during the bombings.......caberat lounges are the safest place to be as they are usually in some cellar or underground location!!!

Indeed... there's a terrible one in West Melbourne called "Witches in Britches"

[Dr The Singh]

I'd suggest not, although it is an interesting point.

For me, to have religions existing side by side can only work where moderates are all that exist and that they practise utilising common sense. Wherever fanaticism is allowed to develop, conflict is necessary.

I believe that the doctrines of a number of religions are technically incompatible anyway...

The more people talk about a supremely just, moral and good being, the less they have to act like them (in my opinion/experience).

If religion cannot be questioned and is the supreme authority of a nation\people, the morality of one would be based on that doctrine, there is no boundary and there is no independant thought process and one does not evolve and adapt in there thinking!!!! There are certain elements of this among many nations!!!

[Dr The Singh]

Indeed... there's a terrible one in West Melbourne called "Witches in Britches"

Your not going to bomb it , I hope???........The service there couldn't be that bad???????

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Your not going to bomb it , I hope???........The service there couldn't be that bad???????

[Steven]

I sympathise with your sentiments.

I seem to remember Neville Chamberlain fancied the no violence/last mile of dialogue approach before the Second World War. Trouble is it's pretty ineffective when your neighbour/s are hell bent on blasting you out of existence.

Doesn't it worry you Steven that the Muslim fundamentalists are uncompromising even with others of their own religion never mind anyone else. So where on earth would you realistically start?

And why is it even worth debating?. Because there are three situations which could easily provoke World conflict and there are people who would manipulate any one or all of those situations in turn to make sure that happens.

China/Taiwan is the first, North Korea is the second and The Middle East cauldron of hatred is the third.

It would be nice if sooner or later some wisdom prevailed.

Its even set me wondering whether the World would be beter run by women leaders, more particularly women who are mothers.

My wife consistently weeps at the endless slaughter she sees on television and when I asked her to explain her feelings she said it was basically because she was a mother.

If men had to go through nine months of children growing in their bellies and then go through the pain of giving birth and the commitment of feeding/changing those kids then they wouldn't be so keen to wipe life out in her view.

She has also technically died once and thus had her gratifude and appreciation of life re-emphasised.

The point is, would countries/religions be wiser/more understanding/less confrontational with mothers as their leaders?

I'd be interested in any opinions.

Who can realistically blast Israel out of existence in the Middle East thanks to the Yanks. Zionists worry me every bit as much as any other fundementalist.

[Monk]

Who can realistically blast Israel out of existence in the Middle East thanks to the Yanks. Zionists worry every bit as much as any other fundementalist.

Isnt this the whole point? Iran will never nuke israel as they themselves will be nuked in return.

So if they gave a nuke to Hezbollah they would do it thus covering their asses.

I beleive Israel know this and hence the reason for going to war for such a petty reason.

[Head Honcho]

Who can realistically blast Israel out of existence in the Middle East thanks to the Yanks . Zionists worry every bit as much as any other fundementalist.

.........but it's ok to try right

[Steven]

.........but it's ok to try right

I seem to remember Neville Chamberlain fancied the no violence/last mile of dialogue approach before the Second World War. Trouble is it's pretty ineffective when your neighbour/s are hell bent on blasting you out of existence.

Don't quote me selectively.

[Daggers]

The point is, would countries/religions be wiser/more understanding/less confrontational with mothers as their leaders?

A one word rebuttal to the concept that women make better leaders than men ~ Thatcher.

She sought war in the cabinet office, war on the international scene and supported the disgusting behaviour of Regan and Pinochet.

I feel that this is more of an indictment of the qualities a woman needs in order to become PM though.

If we could pass the decision to go to war through a Mums committee, or whether a call should be made instantly to demand a total ceasefire, then I think better decisions would be made. In fact, if we could remove decisions like this from politicians and place it in the hands of people not devoid of common sense then it'd be a nicer world.

We need more hugging and I'm the man for the job...start the line here

[Head Honcho]

A one word rebuttal to the concept that women make better leaders than men ~ Thatcher.

She sought war in the cabinet office, war on the international scene and supported the disgusting behaviour of Regan and Pinochet.

I feel that this is more of an indictment of the qualities a woman needs in order to become PM though.

If we could pass the decision to go to war through a Mums committee, or whether a call should be made instantly to demand a total ceasefire, then I think better decisions would be made. In fact, if we could remove decisions like this from politicians and place it in the hands of people not devoid of common sense then it'd be a nicer world.

We need more hugging and I'm the man for the job...start the line here

I was going to mention her but thought better of it!

She still sends shivers down my spine.

..........or is that the acid

[Daggers]

I was going to mention her but thought better of it!

She still sends shivers down my spine.

..........or is that the acid

...but a top Mum. I mean to say, just look at the happy well-adjusted children she raised

[Thracian]

Who can realistically blast Israel out of existence in the Middle East thanks to the Yanks. Zionists worry me every bit as much as any other fundementalist.

I'm not sure the Israelis are certain that will always be so and that only adds to the difficulties and the possibility that, eventually, something ridiculous might happen. I would only be worried about the Zionists of Israel if people keep putting them under constant pressure but I may be wrong.