Alexikokopops Posted 25 July 2006 Posted 25 July 2006 I'm not http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5215178.stm
Guest Gist Posted 25 July 2006 Posted 25 July 2006 I am actually surprised I think they should all have been relegated and just left the point deductions.
davieG Posted 25 July 2006 Posted 25 July 2006 ' date='Jul 25 2006, 08:49 PM' post='355460'] I'm nothttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5215178.stm No and I'm sure that wont be the end of it, like in England it's the tail wagging the dog as far as big clubs are concerned.
Bert Posted 25 July 2006 Posted 25 July 2006 What's the point of the original punishments if, when the teams appeal this is going to happen? Ac Milan (even though i like) are now allowed to play in the Champions league which is a farce, and they are only deducted 8 points. Lazio and Fiorentina - both will now not be demoted but one has 18/19 points and the other has 11 point deduction. Juventus - 17 point deduction, still demoted and they're going for more legl action.
Loake Posted 25 July 2006 Posted 25 July 2006 disgrace, this was an oppourtunity to set an example, but whoever made the decisions failed terribly!!
Daggers Posted 25 July 2006 Posted 25 July 2006 ' date='Jul 25 2006, 08:49 PM' post='355460']I'm not http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5215178.stm It bites, doesn't it? It is just another one of those things in life that re-affirm to me that being decent, honest and nice are rather pointless! Again and again, cheating wins! Batsards.
Monk Posted 25 July 2006 Posted 25 July 2006 Am gutted though its ironic that a corruption case is ridled with corruption COUGH Berlisconi COUGH Milan. Oh well, so much for the transfer market devaluing...
Thracian Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 disgrace, this was an oppourtunity to set an example, but whoever made the decisions failed terribly!! And that sets the standards for the future... Sounds like the court's been got at. A typical Italian outcome really. It will only lead to more match manipulating because there's no serious deterrent. It isn't just football or just Italy. People are allowed to make a mockery of sport and despite initial outrage they are invariably allowed to get away with it. The drug takers, the match fixing, bent jockeys, bent referees. Like I said before. The only thing really wrong with Planet Earth is people. Now you know why they can have their flash cars, their slick suits, their umpteen houses with their swimming pools and it doesn't impress me one little bit. People earn respect as far as I'm concerned and there aren't many names in the book. I've been a journalist much of my life a close relative does victim support counselling and, quite apart from the above, you would not believe what people are capable of, what they do to each other. Here is The Midlands never mind elsewhere. You might think it's the exception but it honestly isn't. Match manipulating is arguably a minor thing compared to mankind's real excesses but it is symptomatic and it perhaps shows how so much of the influence people are given through their young lives is misguided. For instance they are pounded through the media with the notion that respect comes only if you have things - an important job and material trappings which reflect that - or power of whatever kind and however gained. What a pity the emphasis is not on what people are, what they do and what they give. Whether of course that can ever be fully equated with capitalism is another question. Advertising pays for many of our television programmes yet is one of the main mediums for fostering a culture of envy and greed, our "must have" society. I look today at the broken homes, the mercenary attitudes, the cheating and the seeming lack of real belief in anything beyond personal gratification and feel a deep, deep sadness for society. I just hope that the new generation are strong enough to set standards for themselves based on things that matter instead of things that don't - like looking after the environment, looking after each other and using our minds for the betterment of our world instead of it's more likely destruction. The last paragraph is a long way from football match fixing but it is all connected to the same sickness, The "Self" Syndrome. Sadly our leaders are usually standard bearers for that very affliction. One day that has to change. There has to be a new emphasis.
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 Do any of you lot actually know what the clubs are accused of? No one has fixed any matches. Well....... not in the strictest sense of the word. Juventus ( the worst offender ) Have been found guilty of hand picking referres for matches Not involving Juventus, these refs would then attempt to book certain players on four previous yellows so they were suspended when they played Juvu, and other stuff like that, giving them a easier ride however not exactly fixing the match. More interfearing then fixing Genoa were found guilty of out right cheating in 2005 paying Venezia 250,000 to throw the last game of their Serie B season to insure they went up. Now thats match fixing, and they were made an example of, as they were dumped into Serie C1 The orginal bans were about fair I think, but seeing as most people dont even know the extent of the teams involvement we aren't really in a postion to comment on the fairness, however I would think any involvement warrants a bit more then 8 point deduction and the fact AC are allowed to play in Europe is nothing short of digraceful.
Dr The Singh Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 Do any of you lot actually know what the clubs are accused of? No one has fixed any matches. Well....... not in the strictest sense of the word. Juventus ( the worst offender ) Have been found guilty of hand picking referres for matches Not involving Juventus, these refs would then attempt to book certain players on four previous yellows so they were suspended when they played Juvu, and other stuff like that, giving them a easier ride however not exactly fixing the match. More interfearing then fixing Genoa were found guilty of out right cheating in 2005 paying Venezia 250,000 to throw the last game of their Serie B season to insure they went up. Now thats match fixing, and they were made an example of, as they were dumped into Serie C1 The orginal bans were about fair I think, but seeing as most people dont even know the extent of the teams involvement we aren't really in a postion to comment on the fairness, however I would think any involvement warrants a bit more then 8 point deduction and the fact AC are allowed to play in Europe is nothing short of digraceful. Manwell, I agree with you!!!!! I feel football these days is more of a soap opera then a sport, no-one seems to get justice and punishments are as random as eastenders or coro!!!!
Head Honcho Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 Seems to me like the Italian FA don't have the stomach (or the cash) for a long legal battle with four of the richest teams in Italy!
Maybes Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 Absolute farce. The teams that were originally being relegated, were thinking they will need to rebuild for life in serie b, but then the 3 teams (juve,fiorentina and lazio) got relegated instead of them. So they would have thought they were in serie A, so they rebuild for this. Now they have just been screwed over with lazio and fiorentina being placed back in serie A.
Ultra Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 I wouldn't rule out Juve being reinstated to Serie A on further appeal.. Money and lawyers talk very loudly in Italy and they have plenty of both!
Alexikokopops Posted 26 July 2006 Author Posted 26 July 2006 Do any of you lot actually know what the clubs are accused of? No one has fixed any matches. Well....... not in the strictest sense of the word. Juventus ( the worst offender ) Have been found guilty of hand picking referres for matches Not involving Juventus, these refs would then attempt to book certain players on four previous yellows so they were suspended when they played Juvu, and other stuff like that, giving them a easier ride however not exactly fixing the match. More interfearing then fixing Genoa were found guilty of out right cheating in 2005 paying Venezia 250,000 to throw the last game of their Serie B season to insure they went up. Now thats match fixing, and they were made an example of, as they were dumped into Serie C1 The orginal bans were about fair I think, but seeing as most people dont even know the extent of the teams involvement we aren't really in a postion to comment on the fairness, however I would think any involvement warrants a bit more then 8 point deduction and the fact AC are allowed to play in Europe is nothing short of digraceful. I agree with you there, I made the point in another thread when everyone was saying that the punishments weren't harsh enough that none of us know the extent to which each club "fixed" the matches. I thought the original punishments were fine, it wasn't as if (as you mention) each club was paying another to throw the match. But as soon as I first heard the appeal I expected the punishments to be lessened, if that's even a word.
Thracian Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 Do any of you lot actually know what the clubs are accused of? No one has fixed any matches. Well....... not in the strictest sense of the word. Juventus ( the worst offender ) Have been found guilty of hand picking referres for matches Not involving Juventus, these refs would then attempt to book certain players on four previous yellows so they were suspended when they played Juvu, and other stuff like that, giving them a easier ride however not exactly fixing the match. More interfearing then fixing Genoa were found guilty of out right cheating in 2005 paying Venezia 250,000 to throw the last game of their Serie B season to insure they went up. Now thats match fixing, and they were made an example of, as they were dumped into Serie C1 The orginal bans were about fair I think, but seeing as most people dont even know the extent of the teams involvement we aren't really in a postion to comment on the fairness, however I would think any involvement warrants a bit more then 8 point deduction and the fact AC are allowed to play in Europe is nothing short of digraceful. It's a fine line and it still involves fixing to me but I'm happy with interferring/manipulating/cheating... based on past undestanding of "fixing".
Ultra Posted 26 July 2006 Posted 26 July 2006 I guess congratulations are in order to Roberto Mancini then?...
Ultra Posted 24 August 2006 Posted 24 August 2006 From the BBC site: Juve carry fight to civil courts Juventus have ignored threats of more sanctions and appealed to a civil court against their demotion for their part in Italy's match-fixing scandal. After losing an appeal to Italy's Olympic Committee Juve have taken their case to the Lazio regional court. The Italian Football Federation (FIGC) warned Juve of further punishment if they persist with their appeal. Fifa has also warned Italy could be thrown out of the Euro 2008 qualifying campaign if Juve continue their fight. In addition to demotion, Juventus were also stripped of their last two Italian titles and docked 17 points. Juve's persistence in continuing their fight has already thrown the Italian domestic season into turmoil. The Lazio Regional Administrative Court has special powers to rule in sporting cases and will hear the case on 6 September. Fixture lists for the forthcoming season are due to be published on 30 August, and the start of the season has already been put back to 10 September. If Juve's appeal is successful the season could be delayed by a further two weeks. Fifa say Juve's decision to involve civil law is against its rules and has threatened to suspend the FIGC. I despise clubs who think they are bigger than sport, and indeed the laws of their land. How far are they going to take this appeal - Strasbourg? It's not as if they're being forced to spend the next five years in Guantanamo is it? (although it wouldn't be so bad if they did... )
Alexikokopops Posted 24 August 2006 Author Posted 24 August 2006 From the BBC site: I despise clubs who think they are bigger than sport, and indeed the laws of their land. How far are they going to take this appeal - Strasbourg? It's not as if they're being forced to spend the next five years in Guantanamo is it? (although it wouldn't be so bad if they did... ) And Italy could face being kicked out of European competition if they continue these pointless appeals http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5279226.stm
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 August 2006 Posted 24 August 2006 ' date='Aug 24 2006, 04:16 PM' post='382232']And Italy could face being kicked out of European competition if they continue these pointless appeals http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5279226.stm And the World Cup being awarded to England. Worth a try. We could always appeal if they say no. They're bound to reverse their decision.
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