Narborough rd

[Leicfox]

I used to love going down Narboro road to visit the sweet marts (there's one near a music shop we go to) for all that asian food, love it and the owners usually if you ask let you try stuff before you buy knowing its a different kind of foods, Potato bombs, there lethal.

[Matt]

Old post i know, but its probably the only one which i could fit this little rant in... Does anyone else have problems with Polish people? I have personally grown to hate them thanks to the tw*ts next door.

Gobbing on both of our cars ( Im 100% sure its them) - Getting up at 5am tommorow to catch them at it and anyother day until i find out.

They go up the street at 4am, drunk, kicking down bins whilst screaming like girls.

They all look the same, short, with short brown hair (Mostly with a backpack)

Take the piss with their music, when we bang on the wall they just bang back.

Their food stinks like cat piss and cabbage.

I think its Pol'er bashin time!

TBH although in the past I have posted and moaned about foreigners/students/relegions, e.t.c, The Poles I know are all fine. I get on with them well, I work with a few and they work hard for poor money (There fault for excepting the poor money I know) and at least they live "our" ways, they don't moan about "our" laws, e.t.c, they abide by them, more that I can say about other people/relegions, they have actually bothered to learn English and speak very good English (Except one...And I do find him very ignorant)

They have a laugh with you, you have abit of banter with them, e.t.c.

They are pissheads yes, they'd drink anyone under the table i'm sure.

They do NOT look all the same...The Polish girls i've met are fuking beautiful! Theres a Polish girl down the pub, who is well fit, except when I met her for the first time I was pissed up and said "Yeah I know some Polish, I work with with poles..." In truth all I know are insults and swear words, so don't think she was too impressed with that, although she still sat there and talked to me, which was abit weird.

And yeah gotta admit there food is pretty disgusting though.

So on a whole I think the Poles ok. Yeah they are doing what I have slagged people off for...i.e - Coming to England, taking jobs English people could be doing, and willing to be paid less than English people, but at the same time some people in England ain't prepared to work at all, and you can't really blame companies for finding cheap labour can you?!

[Thracian]

Live just off Narborough Road and there has been a influx of Polish people but thats much of England since they got into the EU not just Leicester.

They aren't too much of a problem though, bit loud at times but at least they do something about it when you ask them to keep it down unlike some students/chavs etc.

There is a Polish bar opened opposite the international supermarket and the shops are selling polish goods but apart from that its the same old same old.

I believe its more noticeable as the students are generally back til September and a number of houses are let to Polish people whilst they are away.

It's ironic really.

They come over here to earn better money and I spent hours discussing an off-plan building project in Gdansk which sounded very appealing except for the fact that the Polish seemed to have all sorts of handicaps in place for investors which simply put people off.

Perhaps there's good reason for it, I don't know.

In the end I plumbed for Dubai but I did finish up believing that Poland might well be an excellent place to invest, especially if they ease up a bit on the red tape. Nice people the Polish, at least that's what I've found.

And they think the world of em in the fruit picking areas.

[James.]

Coming to England, taking jobs English people could be doing, and willing to be paid less than English people, but at the same time some people in England ain't prepared to work at all, and you can't really blame companies for finding cheap labour can you?!

The whole idea of migrants taking English people's jobs is a weak argument at best.

Firstly migrant work is crucial to the sustainability and health of the economy (nevermind the contributions in terms of tax, national insurance, etc) and secondly if English people wanted to do those jobs then they should get off their arses and do them.

If they showed half the enthusiasm, energy and professionalism that my experience of Polish people has demonstrated then they would have nothing to moan about.

[Matt]

The whole idea of migrants taking English people's jobs is a weak argument at best.

Firstly migrant work is crucial to the sustainability and health of the economy (nevermind the contributions in terms of tax, national insurance, etc) and secondly if English people wanted to do those jobs then they should get off their arses and do them.

If they showed half the enthusiasm, energy and professionalism that my experience of Polish people has demonstrated then they would have nothing to moan about.

Exactly what i'm saying and exactly my example of why I don't dislike the Poles unlike other cultures, e.t.c

[Bloomer]

And people used to think that the Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain was to keep the West out? Things will stabilize after a while then we will have another big war.

[hairy]

The whole idea of migrants taking English people's jobs is a weak argument at best.

Firstly migrant work is crucial to the sustainability and health of the economy (nevermind the contributions in terms of tax, national insurance, etc) and secondly if English people wanted to do those jobs then they should get off their arses and do them.

If they showed half the enthusiasm, energy and professionalism that my experience of Polish people has demonstrated then they would have nothing to moan about.

At last! Somebody who will understand what I'm going on about when they are moaning about migrants. People just cant see it does help the economy and therefore them in the long term.

[Thracian]

At last! Somebody who will understand what I'm going on about when they are moaning about migrants. People just cant see it does help the economy and therefore them in the long term.

Not that it matters to me but I thought a survey recently concluded that the effects of migrants on the economy was barely noticeable.

Yes, we'd been led to understand the effect was considerable but the facts, apparently, showed virtually o effect one way or another.

[Daggers]

Not that it matters to me but I thought a survey recently concluded that the effects of migrants on the economy was barely noticeable.

Yes, we'd been led to understand the effect was considerable but the facts, apparently, showed virtually o effect one way or another.

What survey?

"Facts" -

[Flynny]

Not that it matters to me but I thought a survey recently concluded that the effects of migrants on the economy was barely noticeable.

Yes, we'd been led to understand the effect was considerable but the facts, apparently, showed virtually o effect one way or another.

I saw that. That was after taking into account (estimating, anyway) the costs of integration, which are pushed upwards thanks to the odd bigot and ignoramous here and there. Either way, the effect is still positive, whether negligable or not.

[Head Honcho]

At last! Somebody who will understand what I'm going on about when they are moaning about migrants. People just cant see it does help the economy and therefore them in the long term.

I've just rang my GP to arrange some Malaria jabs. I can't get in till 13th March

Now I'm not blaming Immigration alone for this but the last time I sat in the surgery waiting for my appointment I was certainly the only person in there with English as a first language

I do welcome immigration but there needs to be some kind of control.

If I can use the roads as an analogy. We are constantly being told that the roads are congested doesn't this mean the same applies to the country That may be simplifying it a little but it's just an example.

[James.]

It may be simplistic but my comment about how crucial migration is to the economy wasn't really based on "facts" or reports or statistics.

I just look around me and on a daily basis and see examples of where migration is playing a very important role in the functioning and well being of society.

The point isn't about whether the costs of integration are equal to the contribution provided (as it is this is practically impossible to measure - not everything can be nicely quantified). The real thrust of what I'm saying is that for whatever the costs incurred are migration is a necessity for our country.

On top of that the variety of cultures, opinions, beliefs and perspectives that migration brings makes this country a more interesting place to live (I find London fascinating for this very reason).

I feel some people need to remove their blinkers and embrace the idea of a truly global community, a slice of which is reflected in modern Britain.

[Head Honcho]

It may be simplistic but my comment about how crucial migration is to the economy wasn't really based on "facts" or reports or statistics.

I just look around me and on a daily basis and see examples of where migration is playing a very important role in the functioning and well being of society.

The point isn't about whether the costs of integration are equal to the contribution provided (as it is this is practically impossible to measure - not everything can be nicely quantified). The real thrust of what I'm saying is that for whatever the costs incurred are migration is a necessity for our country.

On top of that the variety of cultures, opinions, beliefs and perspectives that migration brings makes this country a more interesting place to live (I find London fascinating for this very reason).

I feel some people need to remove their blinkers and embrace the idea of a truly global community, a slice of which is reflected in modern Britain.

Immigration is only crucial to this country because successive governments have failed to attract the indigenous people of this country to certain professions.

As for cheap labour I don't follow this argument that only the migrants will do this job or that job.

If we have a void in certain industries then the unemployed should be told to get off their arses and start picking sprouts or cockles for a living, otherwise they lose their benefits.

I'm all for immigration but not if it means they have to endure a second or third class existence.

It may be better then what they're used to at home, but does that mean it's right?

[cisono]

When they first come to work with us they seemed VERY ignorant but that really nice now, you can have a good laugh with them. I think when they first come they didn't know much English at the time there was a few people at work who didn't really accept or like them being there but those people have now left, they have learnt abit more English been accepted.

I can relate to that... not a very nice feeling

[Daggers]

Immigration is only crucial to this country because successive governments have failed to...

...and it's the fault of the Government because...?

I don't think you can decry a government for attempting to "social engineer" and "running a nanny state" (paraphrasing the words of those on FT not directly you Allen) and THEN moan that they didn't socially engineer efficiently enough.

As for this so called piece of research people are referring to but providing no evidence of...it sounds like a report by Robert Rowthorne in 2004 - which was based on selective readings and no direct research...and most of that came from The USA. Mixing personal opinion with geographical dislocation discredits a large proportion of his conclusions.

I suspect the source of the "survey" is from Migrationwatch UK, via the right-wing tabs. This 'independent' body was set up and is run by Sir Andrew Green and David Coleman. They both worked for Margaret Thatcher's Tory government...

...now here's me starting to think ~ Thatcherite Tories, right-wing media ~ I wonder if they have an agenda?

The Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics produced the following conclusions from its research in 2005:

Far from posing an economic threat to British residents' jobs and wages, the study concluded that immigration had "many economic benefits" including helping fund the pension system.

"Empirical research on the effects of immigration to the UK on employment and wages finds little evidence of adverse effects of immigration on outcomes for people born in the UK," the study said.

Immigration rates have been rising, the study found, and that should be viewed positively: "Increases in net immigration to the UK are a sign of the strength of the economy, rather than the weakness of immigration policy."

Out of anyone commenting on immigration - I'll side with the LSE until someone else produces a better set of data worthy of consideration.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Oh, these are my favourite.

I'm going to sit in the corner with a good book and soak up the bonhomie.

As you were.

[Daggers]

...and soak up the bonhomie.

You take your foreign muck and shove it ~ you'll enjoy good old English mithering or feck off

[Steven]

...and it's the fault of the Government because...?

I don't think you can decry a government for attempting to "social engineer" and "running a nanny state" (paraphrasing the words of those on FT not directly you Allen) and THEN moan that they didn't socially engineer efficiently enough.

As for this so called piece of research people are referring to but providing no evidence of...it sounds like a report by Robert Rowthorne in 2004 - which was based on selective readings and no direct research...and most of that came from The USA. Mixing personal opinion with geographical dislocation discredits a large proportion of his conclusions.

I suspect the source of the "survey" is from Migrationwatch UK, via the right-wing tabs. This 'independent' body was set up and is run by Sir Andrew Green and David Coleman. They both worked for Margaret Thatcher's Tory government...

...now here's me starting to think ~ Thatcherite Tories, right-wing media ~ I wonder if they have an agenda?

The Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics produced the following conclusions from its research in 2005:

Out of anyone commenting on immigration - I'll side with the LSE until someone else produces a better set of data worthy of consideration.

I have an Uncle who studied at the LSE.

[Thracian]

...and it's the fault of the Government because...?

I don't think you can decry a government for attempting to "social engineer" and "running a nanny state" (paraphrasing the words of those on FT not directly you Allen) and THEN moan that they didn't socially engineer efficiently enough.

As for this so called piece of research people are referring to but providing no evidence of...it sounds like a report by Robert Rowthorne in 2004 - which was based on selective readings and no direct research...and most of that came from The USA. Mixing personal opinion with geographical dislocation discredits a large proportion of his conclusions.

I suspect the source of the "survey" is from Migrationwatch UK, via the right-wing tabs. This 'independent' body was set up and is run by Sir Andrew Green and David Coleman. They both worked for Margaret Thatcher's Tory government...

...now here's me starting to think ~ Thatcherite Tories, right-wing media ~ I wonder if they have an agenda?

The Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics produced the following conclusions from its research in 2005:

Out of anyone commenting on immigration - I'll side with the LSE until someone else produces a better set of data worthy of consideration.

If the survey I'm referring to relates to some 2004 report then they're bloody slow off the mark - it was only published within the last fortnight or so.

I just didn't take a great deal of notice. I'm a bit wary of surveys unless I know the full story of the parameters used together with what questions were asked and how.

And I'm even more wary when screaming headlines are produced with precious little substance to back them up. And finally one needs to know the socio/political stance, if any, of whoever is behind the survey.

Of course the staff/students of the LSE wouldn't ever have a political agenda, or political aspirations, would they?. Thank God we can still rely on such a flawless bastion of fearless and unbiased intellectual explorers.

[Head Honcho]

I have an Uncle who studied at the LSE.

I had a pint on Thursday opposite the LSE very nice it was too!

Some cracking birds in there

[Daggers]

If the survey I'm referring to relates to some 2004 report then they're bloody slow off the mark - it was only published within the last fortnight or so.

Migrationwatch produced their report towards the end of January...based on the 2004 article...and I imagine that would then take a couple of weeks to filter to the Tabs.

That said, it isn't beyond journo's to rehash old stuff as news on slow days...the Express and the Mail have made a business from it