Ultra Posted 6 October 2006 Posted 6 October 2006 I note a poster tried to hijack the Mandaric thread for his own ends earlier today, by publishing an advert for the vile fascist grouping. Now most regular readers will be aware that I am not exactly MM's greatest fan. But he did a good job of clearing the scum out of Fratton Park, and deserves credit for that, even from me! It would have been ironic in the extreme, if a thread in which most posters declared their wish to entice him to our club had ended up having the entrirely opposite effect. I am prepared to take whatever flak may fly on here over my reluctance to accept Mandaric as a potential owner of the club. But there's NO excuse for anyone using that issue, or any other, to voice sympathies for such odious, genocidal lowlife like the BNP!
Thracian Posted 6 October 2006 Posted 6 October 2006 I note a poster tried to hijack the Mandaric thread for his own ends earlier today, by publishing an advert for the vile fascist grouping. Now most regular readers will be aware that I am not exactly MM's greatest fan. But he did a good job of clearing the scum out of Fratton Park, and deserves credit for that, even from me! It would have been ironic in the extreme, if a thread in which most posters declared their wish to entice him to our club had ended up having the entrirely opposite effect. I am prepared to take whatever flak may fly on here over my reluctance to accept Mandaric as a potential owner of the club. But there's NO excuse for anyone using that issue, or any other, to voice sympathies for such odious, genocidal lowlife like the BNP! I quite agree. But you have to be very careful when you talk about genocidal attrocities from what I've read lately about horrific events against people of the wrong faith in Africa. Not to mention people being hung from beams and being disembowelled while still alive. When it comes to man's evil, the finger of blame doesn't point along a one-way street.
Daggers Posted 7 October 2006 Posted 7 October 2006 But there's NO excuse for anyone using that issue, or any other, to voice sympathies for such odious, genocidal lowlife like the BNP! There's no excuse for racism or supporting the BNP, ever. It is the product of ignorance and the politics of hate.
Dr The Singh Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 There's no excuse for racism or supporting the BNP, ever. It is the product of ignorance and the politics of hate. Aye, racism should not be tolerated and those that post racist comments should be barred for life!! But in saying that I have no issue's with people that support the BNP, unfortunately there are those that are just ignorant rather then racist!!!
Head Honcho Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 .........and why should anyone be able to spout their socialist beliefs anymore then someone spouting their racist beliefs? Personally I'd rather know who the racists are and have a debate with them as to how I believe their views are misguided rather then shut them out of any kind of political debate!! The only way to change peoples ignorance/views is by dicussion not censure. I do however disagree with any kind of political spamming on the site I didn't see the article your referring to so can't comment on that! Removing people from the political debate will only send them underground and I certainly wouldn't want that!!
lcfc_jme Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 The only way to change peoples ignorance/views is by dicussion not censure. Discussion is never a bad thing, as long as it isn't a free-for-all and everything is civilised. As far as changing people's ideas and views goes though, that won't happen - if somebody has their mind made up about something, then it's extremely hard to make them see the other side or believe it. Discussion helps to eradicate ignorance, but views are a different kettle of fish altogether
stez Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 .........and why should anyone be able to spout their socialist beliefs anymore then someone spouting their racist beliefs? Personally I'd rather know who the racists are and have a debate with them as to how I believe their views are misguided rather then shut them out of any kind of political debate!! The only way to change peoples ignorance/views is by dicussion not censure. I do however disagree with any kind of political spamming on the site I didn't see the article your referring to so can't comment on that! Removing people from the political debate will only send them underground and I certainly wouldn't want that!! absolutley spot on! i prefer to debate with people who hold differing veiws to my own, maybe changing their view, maybe me changing mine. that is the reason why the BNP are allowed to exist
Head Honcho Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Discussion is never a bad thing, as long as it isn't a free-for-all and everything is civilised. As far as changing people's ideas and views goes though, that won't happen - if somebody has their mind made up about something, then it's extremely hard to make them see the other side or believe it. Discussion helps to eradicate ignorance, but views are a different kettle of fish altogether Why do we keep having a change of government? Because people change their minds! Most people are racist through ignorance not because they hate other races!
lcfc_jme Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Why do we keep having a change of government? Because people change their minds! Most people are racist through ignorance not because they hate other races! Which is why I was saying debates can help change/eradicate ignorance, as people will begin to understand and appreciate things which they never knew before As for a different government, that's because many people do not understand politics and the parties are becoming increasingly similar in the things they say on a lot of the key issues
Finnegan Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Socialism's hardly a political extreme, Allen. Some things just aren't condonable, I'm all for freedom of speech, most people are, hell we're posting an internet message board. But banners for far-right, hate-mongering organisations are insensitive and unescersary on a forum about football.
Head Honcho Posted 8 October 2006 Posted 8 October 2006 Socialism's hardly a political extreme, Allen. Some things just aren't condonable, I'm all for freedom of speech, most people are, hell we're posting an internet message board. But banners for far-right, hate-mongering organisations are insensitive and unescersary on a forum about football. As I said I didn't see the post and as I also said any kind of political spamming is out of order! Politicking and political debate are two entirely diffedrent things!
Ultra Posted 9 October 2006 Author Posted 9 October 2006 As I understand it, ANY form of advertising for a political party is against the posting guidelines for this forum. That applies as much to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems, even the Monster Raving Loony Party, as it does the BNP.
Daggers Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 As I understand it, ANY form of advertising for a political party is against the posting guidelines for this forum. That applies as much to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems, even the Monster Raving Loony Party, as it does the BNP. The FoxesTalk Posting Guidlines does not mention political parties as far as I can see...
l444ry Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 .........and why should anyone be able to spout their socialist beliefs anymore then someone spouting their racist beliefs? Personally I'd rather know who the racists are and have a debate with them as to how I believe their views are misguided rather then shut them out of any kind of political debate!! The only way to change peoples ignorance/views is by dicussion not censure. I do however disagree with any kind of political spamming on the site I didn't see the article your referring to so can't comment on that! Removing people from the political debate will only send them underground and I certainly wouldn't want that!! I doubt if Adolf Hitler would have listened to any debate. Look what happened when Germany gave him a platform in the 30's. And comparing Socialism with Racism is a poor argument Allen, considering it's the right wing parties who tend to veer towards that vile form of politics.
Daggers Posted 9 October 2006 Posted 9 October 2006 I doubt if Adolf Hitler would have listened to any debate. Look what happened when Germany gave him a platform in the 30's. And comparing Socialism with Racism is a poor argument Allen, considering it's the right wing parties who tend to veer towards that vile form of politics. Cue: Post about human rights abuses in the communist block/China/Cuba
hairy Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 Cue: Post about human rights abuses in the communist block/China/Cuba London/Manchester/Birmingham/Dover/Spalding/etc...etc...etc....
Head Honcho Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 I doubt if Adolf Hitler would have listened to any debate. Look what happened when Germany gave him a platform in the 30's. And comparing Socialism with Racism is a poor argument Allen, considering it's the right wing parties who tend to veer towards that vile form of politics. I was using Socialism as an example as you well know, but I could quite easily have said Communism or Environmentalism. Until they criminalise the BNP they should be allowed the same platform as any other party. The only way to fight Racism is to fight it head on-don't fear it fight it!
Dr The Singh Posted 12 October 2006 Posted 12 October 2006 I was using Socialism as an example as you well know, but I could quite easily have said Communism or Environmentalism. Until they criminalise the BNP they should be allowed the same platform as any other party. The only way to fight Racism is to fight it head on-don't fear it fight it!
l444ry Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 I was using Socialism as an example as you well know, but I could quite easily have said Communism or Environmentalism. Until they criminalise the BNP they should be allowed the same platform as any other party. The only way to fight Racism is to fight it head on-don't fear it fight it! I know we're on the same side here but I'm afraid that my view IS to criminalise the BNP. My experience tells me that to try to successfully educate that skinhead yobbo that frequents the pub or terraces, would meet with the same failure as if you were trying to change the more dangerous Tindall, Webster, Mosley or Hitler types. Democracy doesn't work with these lowlives.
Daggers Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 I know we're on the same side here but I'm afraid that my view IS to criminalise the BNP. My experience tells me that to try to successfully educate that skinhead yobbo that frequents the pub or terraces, would meet with the same failure as if you were trying to change the more dangerous Tindall, Webster, Mosley or Hitler types. Democracy doesn't work with these lowlives. The BNP exists as a front for racists and fascists, it plays no role in a respectable society and I agree with you 100%. History demonstrates very clearly what happens when we appease these people. They do not listen to reason, they preach the politics of division and hate and dump democracy at the first opportunity. They cavort with criminals and thugs, have a record of attrocious behaviour when elected to local office and breed division within society. Ban 'em, take their legitimacy away!
Ultra Posted 13 October 2006 Author Posted 13 October 2006 The problem with banning them is that they can easily re-emerge under another label, as has happened in Germany and elsewhere. It's far better to take them on and beat them in a battle of ideas.
lcfc_jme Posted 13 October 2006 Posted 13 October 2006 The problem with banning them is that they can easily re-emerge under another label, as has happened in Germany and elsewhere. It's far better to take them on and beat them in a battle of ideas. T'is true, and I find myself agreeing with you far too often atm, but you're being pretty sensible tonight. The only thing wrong with trying to do this would be the fact that, even if you took them on with ideas, it'd go in one ear and out the other, and they'd still be racist people afterwards whether your points were valid or not. They're ignorant (not all on purpose), absent minded people who will rarely, if ever, change their mind on this issue.
Head Honcho Posted 14 October 2006 Posted 14 October 2006 I know we're on the same side here but I'm afraid that my view IS to criminalise the BNP. My experience tells me that to try to successfully educate that skinhead yobbo that frequents the pub or terraces, would meet with the same failure as if you were trying to change the more dangerous Tindall, Webster, Mosley or Hitler types. Democracy doesn't work with these lowlives. Criminalising the BNP will not eradicate racism it may even give them more support.
l444ry Posted 14 October 2006 Posted 14 October 2006 The problem with banning them is that they can easily re-emerge under another label, as has happened in Germany and elsewhere. It's far better to take them on and beat them in a battle of ideas. Well, if they do re-emerge as something else then ban that as well!!!
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