step Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 The police should know better they are trained to calm situation down, they should not have reacted they way they did. and as for lashing out at kid. The police where out of order and something should be done about it.
john_lcfc Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 who do you think there will be consequences for thracian?? lcfc as a club or the police? or the scores of fans involved (you posted earlier, there will be consquence)
Hullfox Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 I have values, I have morals. Bloody Derby police force, bunch of fooking thugs I really wanted to chin the police officer I'm suprised no policemen were actually badly hurt, they deserved to have been Really felt like smacking him tbh Scum though their police. yeah I was abusing a copper wanted to chin him City fans sang Harry Roberts, and all fairness to them, they should have Indeed you do and at no point have you ever claimed them to be of a high standard.
john_lcfc Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 i didnt see bernie there yesterday... maybe it was all a bit beneath his calm, cool, non aggressive nature
BartonFox Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Well well well. I'm sorry but I cannot believe some of the posts on here and the near bloodlust that some are feeling because they were close to the action and no doubt feel like proper hooligans. I was lambasted last week by Thrach for calling some of our supporters shit. This was exactly what I was alluding to - teen hooligan wannabes who do nothing positive for our club. Thrach, I take back one of my comments from last week, I am better than some of our supporters.
lcfc_jme Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Indeed you do and at no point have you ever claimed them to be of a high standard. OK then. I'm not gona defend myself or have a go back. My statements about this matter are only being discussed in PM's now. Pick fault with me all you want in the public part of the forum. You win out here, can't be arsed on this matter any more.
Leonisco Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Real shame this. I was expecting to come on here today reading about how excellent our support was yesterday. Round about 3,000 of us there and even though we played shight and lost, we completely outsung about 25,000 Derby fans. It was my first away match for a LONG time, and I really enjoyed it. I wasn't aware of all the trouble going on at half-time, so reading about this now is a bit of a shock. From the sounds of it, it was six of one and half a dozen of the other, but it's disappointing that this incident seems to be overshadowing the great support that we showed for the lads yesterday.
Glen_lcfc Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Hi First post, heard you all asking for video of what happened yesterday. I've uploaded them to google video of what I got. I think the police were too heavy handed as all we seemed to be doing was chanting and in one of the video I actually nearly got pushed to the ground during a surge. Here are the links 1 of the frogmarch and two of the half - time incidents! The quality is poor to say the least so if anyone has any tips (bar getting a new phone) of how to improve let me know. Its actually better if you watch them with the window smaller than full screen http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...76&hl=en-GB http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...66&hl=en-GB http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...99&hl=en-GB
Daggers Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 OK then. I'm not gona defend myself or have a go back. My statements about this matter are only being discussed in PM's now. Pick fault with me all you want in the public part of the forum. You win out here, can't be arsed on this matter any more. You said things that were (in the view of people responding) incorrect and/or reprehensible. This isn't about being personal - it's not about having a go at you no matter how you wish to perceive it Jamie. Unless you wish to stick to the flippant stuff in GC in future you need to be able to justify statements when called to do so in order for them (and any others in the future) to have any credibility...especially bearing in mind the inconsistencies and contradictions in your posts yesterday and this morning.
Wils Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Half time was complete madness. Made me late for second half aswell. Sounds like they were quite harsh on that young lad,the coppers yesterday were crap IMO they handled everything really bad.
lcfc_jme Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 You said things that were (in the view of people responding) incorrect and/or reprehensible. This isn't about being personal - it's not about having a go at you no matter how you wish to perceive it Jamie. Unless you wish to stick to the flippant stuff in GC in future you need to be able to justify statements when called to do so in order for them (and any others in the future) to have any credibility...especially bearing in mind the inconsistencies and contradictions in your posts yesterday and this morning. Look Disco Bob, I'm gona repeat myself now, but yesterday I was very tired, I had a headache and I was in a foul mood. I've since sorted my differences with Manwell, and so I am not going to comment on that front. I also this morning came on and found some posts in reference to mine yesterday, and so I responded to them. I have said that I won't comment further on the matter, and I'm not going to. If there is something anybody wishes to ask me, then please PM me and ask me, and I'll get back to you with the answer. If there isn't, as far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed to me. I don't mind whether people want to have a go at me, take digs at me or be my best friend on here. I'll take your advice (the bit I have put in bold in your post) and most probably apply it to my future behaviour in the lcfc forum. This for me is the end of the saga. I'm not expecting people to forgive me, and I'm not going to retract my posts either. I'm just saying that unless I receive a PM from somebody, this matter is over for me. I'm sure you can appreciate why I don't want to discuss it further. Thanks.
Thracian Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Look Disco Bob, I'm gona repeat myself now, but yesterday I was very tired, I had a headache and I was in a foul mood. I've since sorted my differences with Manwell, and so I am not going to comment on that front. I also this morning came on and found some posts in reference to mine yesterday, and so I responded to them. I have said that I won't comment further on the matter, and I'm not going to. If there is something anybody wishes to ask me, then please PM me and ask me, and I'll get back to you with the answer. If there isn't, as far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed to me. I don't mind whether people want to have a go at me, take digs at me or be my best friend on here. I'll take your advice (the bit I have put in bold in your post) and most probably apply it to my future behaviour in the lcfc forum. This for me is the end of the saga. I'm not expecting people to forgive me, and I'm not going to retract my posts either. I'm just saying that unless I receive a PM from somebody, this matter is over for me. I'm sure you can appreciate why I don't want to discuss it further. Thanks. Don't be intimidate lcfc_jme .... I've read a lot of comment from Disco Bob and am not at all convinced he was either there or that he saw a single minute of what has been discussed. He just seems to have a pre-conceived idea of right and wrong. And basically it you wear a uniform you're right. Unless there's evidence to the contrary. If only life were that simple. Also it's fine for the Police to be trained, to carry batons, to wear every kind of protection and wade in whacking whatever's in their way or whatever takes their fancy but he's not very happy with the idea of people being able to defend themselves and being able to stop themselves being knocked about by any bully who chooses too. I wonder, instead of implying the fans might be liars, how he would feel if it were his 5-year-old getting bashed or his 12-year-old getting plastered against the wall?. What he seems not to understand is that Police in this country are there in part to keep the peace, not to help provoke aggravation. It is quite clear there were two sides to all this. And I don't believe a lot of the fans were necessarily City fans at all because they didn't seem much interested in the football. There were also many Police officers who didn't seem to be spoiling for anything but a peaceful afternoon - quite possibly because they were decent people and quite possible because they could see potential for the situation getting out of control. It's a pity some of their colleagues didn't have the same philosophy.
Floating Fox Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Don't be intimidate lcfc_jme .... I've read a lot of comment from disco Bob and am not at all convinced we was either there or that he saw a single minute of what has been discussed. He just seems to have a pre-conceived idea of right and wrong. And basically it you wear a uniform you're right. Unless there's evidence to the contrary. If only life were that simple. He wasnt there. And I agree he cannot go on other people comment's about what is right or wrong. I can respect people that say something i dont agree but when they weren't there and wasnt In the middle of it all i dont see why their point should be taken seriously at all.
lcfc_jme Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Don't be intimidate lcfc_jme .... I've read a lot of comment from disco Bob and am not at all convinced we was either there or that he saw a single minute of what has been discussed. He just seems to have a pre-conceived idea of right and wrong. And basically it you wear a uniform you're right. Unless there's evidence to the contrary. If only life were that simple. It's not that I'm intimidated Thracian, it's that I'm trying to spare myself the bother that comes with such discussions. I never thought yesterday when I posted what I posted that the fall-out would be to this extent. Some people are traditionalists when it comes to authority (as in the authority is right all the time), and others try to see it from the other pov (where authority may not be as right as it pretends to be). There is always going to be conflict and I can't see any discussions leading to a change in viewpoint and beliefs. If I were in Disco Bob's position, I would probably do as he has to an extent: ask for facts and evidence to prove things before vilifying it. But, as Standupandsing will vouch for, I was there and quite close to what happened, so the way I am looking at it differs from DB. I'm glad you have the energy and capacity to argue this one Thrac, because I tried discussing it and didn't get very far, just like you have up until now. FAO everyone reading this thread, please PM me if there is any problem with what I said.
The People's Hero Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 It's not about being there or not. In fact I'm not even commenting with specific reference to yesterday. I just believe Jme's comments were childish, ill-advised, pathetic and disgusting, this is with regards to the tacit support for songs regarding killing policemen. Now he has since said he didn't really understand what the songs were about... but please let's not excuse this.
Jonbluefox9 Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 I know a fair few people who were there, and pretty close to what was kicking off downstairs, who don't go to many if any Leicester home or away games and a few who don't even support Leicester. It's the kind of game that is so close and not overly expensive for younger people that some people were persuaded to go along and i'm sure some of them have seen films about football hooliganism and thought it would be a "laugh" to get involved. That's not everyone, just some.
Daggers Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 Thracian, If you had read my posts then you will have known the answer to the first and responded to my questions. You didn't - and consequently have the least input anyone could have. "He just seems to have a pre-conceived idea of right and wrong. And basically it you wear a uniform you're right. Unless there's evidence to the contrary. If only life were that simple." And your understanding of right and wrong comes from where? Seriously, getting past the obvious that all knowledge and understanding is based on pre-conceptions...where do you get yours from Thracian? I only ask because you have chosen to ignore every damn question I have posed to you on the matter. "I wonder, instead of implying the fans might be liars, how he would feel if it were his 5-year-old getting bashed or his 12-year-old getting plastered against the wall?" 1. Where have I implied fans are liars? Come on - tell us or fess up to being a liar yourself. 2. If you'd read my posts you'd know the answer is 'I haven't' and that I have already answered your hypothetically pathetic conundrum. Is it any wonder that you have become a parody of yourself when you continue to post trite unsubstantiated nonsense like this? A piece of advice, being informed will help your position in discussions no end.
john_lcfc Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 ok picture the scene. leicester fans are getting rowdy singing and banging on the shutters of the closed bar. they begin to take there anger out on a few police who were in the concourse. the police draft in extras and they all stand there with their batons out ready to swip as seen above. minutes after this photo there were surges and clashes. why didnt the police just leave? just go out those exit doors and leave us all to be rowdy? they were confrontational and caused much more problems than they solved. who agrees??
Daggers Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 I wonder, instead of implying the fans might be liars As stated in my other post, and the PM to you...you can apologise for this. The word liar has been used in your posts and yours alone. At no point have I accused anyone of being a liar, I have pointed out that at this moment in time no one has seen (actually seen) a five year old child being assaulted. At this point this is not fact, and to keep refering to it as such is stupid. Apologise Thracian.
Wils Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 they were confrontational and caused much more problems than they solved. I do agree there.
Daggers Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 This is getting silly. Agreed. Here you go Thracian
Stand Up Sit Down Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 This has been talked about on our forum so I've come here for further information. Not with reference to events yesterday but SUSD hear stories about what is deemed excessive policing on an all to frequent basis. It would seem that more people are concerned about the actions of the police and stewards than they are about other football supporters. The Football Supporters Federation are able to deal with this on a more official level than us so I'd urge anybody with concerns at the police action yesterday to contact [email protected]
Joe. Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 You should have all just watched that bloke doing tricks at half time instead! A lot quieter
samingram_uk Posted 26 November 2006 Posted 26 November 2006 ok picture the scene. leicester fans are getting rowdy singing and banging on the shutters of the closed bar. they begin to take there anger out on a few police who were in the concourse. the police draft in extras and they all stand there with their batons out ready to swip as seen above. minutes after this photo there were surges and clashes. why didnt the police just leave? just go out those exit doors and leave us all to be rowdy? they were confrontational and caused much more problems than they solved. who agrees?? absoulty, they should have just let us be, i took the pic and i didt mange to get one of the actal clashes, but i did see it, and it was totally the polices fualt, they should have just left out the exit doors like they did after the incendent
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