half time

[davieG]

Davie, Most of what you say if correct but you are forgetting how belittling the police make you feel BEFORE the game by marching you to the stadium. You are already Pissed off with them before anything has happened.

I am not trying to justify what happened today but it cant all be blammed on us.

Can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but here's my version..

The police were too heavy handed today.

They caused more problems than they solved.

Being frog marched from the station to a pub, and not allowed to leave was ludacris really. I mean, there were families in there that clearly didn't want to be, and i didn't want to be either, i wanted a bite to eat before a pint, but wasn't allowed.

Then, being marched back to the station and arriving at the ground at 2.50. That's pathetic really, we're told to find our seat 30 mins before kick off, yet the police make it impossible.

And i won't even start on the police dogs that were snapping at anyone with a blue shirt on.

Didn't see what happened in the concourse, but it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Overall though, considering the cirumstances, i thought our fans were well behaved.

I refer you to my post above.

[john_lcfc]

ok fair enough frog march blablabla.. but my mate didnt have any cash and wasnt allowed to visit the cash point 30 metres down the road incase he got in a fight.... so he/ we were forced to be in a pub for 1 hour with no money because the police wouldnt let us use the machine... that was a bit ridiculous but hodidilydar..

[Manwell Pablo]

ok fair enough frog march blablabla.. but my mate didnt have any cash and wasnt allowed to visit the cash point 30 metres down the road incase he got in a fight.... so he/ we were forced to be in a pub for 1 hour with no money because the police wouldnt let us use the machine... that was a bit ridiculous but hodidilydar..

The whold day sounds a absloute mess, and thats beyond stupid.

They should of offered to escort him down, I'm sure they could of spared two police officers for 5 minutes.

[john_lcfc]

The whold day sounds a absloute mess, and thats beyond stupid.

They should of offered to escort him down, I'm sure they could of spared two police officers for 5 minutes.

it was a farce..

they said everyone would want to leave if they let one go and were under strict orders to keep all the leicester fans inside the pub till 2:20 when they barged in and took us all out.. then it took 40 minutes to get to the ground because the police stopped every 10 metres to keep everyone together..

we got to the ground about 3:50-- all 900 oof us,, good police planning i thought

[Craig]

Innocent people got caught up in the march though, for example, two 13 or so year old girls, innocently walked out of the station, grabbed and told to wait with us lot, they protested that they weren't going to the game and were being picked up by their mother in 10 minutes, but they wouldn't let them go, and were marched to the pub, where the police there obviously sussed that they weren't football fans at all.

Pathetic.

God knows how they'd treat Forest fans.

[Maybes]

it was a farce..

they said everyone would want to leave if they let one go and were under strict orders to keep all the leicester fans inside the pub till 2:20 when they barged in and took us all out.. then it took 40 minutes to get to the ground because the police stopped every 10 metres to keep everyone together..

we got to the ground about 3:50-- all 900 oof us,, good police planning i thought

I saw you before then?

[Craig]

it was a farce..

they said everyone would want to leave if they let one go and were under strict orders to keep all the leicester fans inside the pub till 2:20 when they barged in and took us all out.. then it took 40 minutes to get to the ground because the police stopped every 10 metres to keep everyone together..

we got to the ground about 3:50-- all 900 oof us,, good police planning i thought

You lot must have got held up very badly compared to us lot at the front

[john_lcfc]

i meant 2:50 goddammit

[john_lcfc]

haha when all them riot police turned up this lad goes ey up as there been a nuclear bomb you lot in your masks and they looked at each other then gave him the stare..they looked like this

[Thracian]

No-one dislikes authoritarian people more than me. And I believe the presence of so many stewards and police at football matches is provocative, intimidating and, often, totally OTT and unnecessary.

But Leicester City are presently in the throes of a potential takeover. According to so many posts I've read on here the Promised Lane of Premiership football is now just around the corner. Fans are supposedly ecstatic.

And what happens. Our fans get involved in this.

It seems OTT that the police frogmarched fans to the pub and onto the ground. It is a pity the football was never gripping enough before half-time to merit more than a passing glance. And it was a pity the pieshop closed, if you like that sort of thing.

Because altogether it doesn't sound like value for quite a bit of money to me.

But what about Mandaric?. Leicester lose again, plummet further down the table, start looking like a better bet for relegation than promotion, promise to cost him a stack before there's any return likely and then the fans go and get themselves a bagload of bad publicity.

Is it really the impression we want to be giving to a potential multi-million pounds investor?.

I don't care about which police officers/riot officers might have been in the wrong and if it's true some five-year-old got knocked about someone's sure got some explaining to do.

What I do care about from the fans point of view is whether Mandaric will get up tomorrow morning and think it's all worth it.

I suppose the prospect of a few more millions will always be tempting even if you already have more money than you'll ever need.

But Leicester are not his only option according to reports. And if he wants out then yesterday's nonsense would offer a pretty good excuse.

And if that happened. We really would have lost the battle of Derby. On the pitch and off.

[Thracian]

For who?

Where do you want to start?

[Thracian]

Listen Disco Bob, I got nothing on camera ok. I had my phone out to film it, and some copper tried to snatch me phone off me, even though everyone else was trying to film it.

You can ignore anything I say, I don't really care to be honest. You're a decent bloke on here the majority of the time, but sometimes I can't stand you just as I'm sure I get under your skin sometimes and you feel like strangling me.

But really, when the police are attacking everyone walking by (even people who were innocent and just coming back from the toilet, as well as kids) I couldn't give a fook what was shouted at them. The fact that they weren't allowing people to film it suggests to me that they were worried they'd be fooked over if anybody saw it But I guess that's me being ignorant and petulant again isn't it??

I'm not a criminal or a hooligan, far from it. But from my dealings with most authority systems, I'd have to say that they are some of the most biased and pathetic things I have ever dealt with in my life. Especially when I have been the victim of crime.

I think most victims of crime feel exactly like that.

[lcfc_jme]

I think most victims of crime feel exactly like that.

the ones who are compensated or receive justice do not feel like that. The majority who deal with our CJS feel how I described in my post though. It isn't just victims of crime though - it's most people who deal with the higher "authority" in whatever they're doing. Maybe it's just a power-trip thing

[Craig]

No-one dislikes authoritarian people more than me. And I believe the presence of so many stewards and police at football matches is provocative, intimidating and, often, totally OTT and unnecessary.

But Leicester City are presently in the throes of a potential takeover. According to so many posts I've read on here the Promised Lane of Premiership football is now just around the corner. Fans are supposedly ecstatic.

And what happens. Our fans get involved in this.

It seems OTT that the police frogmarched fans to the pub and onto the ground. It is a pity the football was never gripping enough before half-time to merit more than a passing glance. And it was a pity the pieshop closed, if you like that sort of thing.

Because altogether it doesn't sound like value for quite a bit of money to me.

But what about Mandaric?. Leicester lose again, plummet further down the table, start looking like a better bet for relegation than promotion, promise to cost him a stack before there's any return likely and then the fans go and get themselves a bagload of bad publicity.

Is it really the impression we want to be giving to a potential multi-million pounds investor?.

I don't care about which police officers/riot officers might have been in the wrong and if it's true some five-year-old got knocked about someone's sure got some explaining to do.

What I do care about from the fans point of view is whether Mandaric will get up tomorrow morning and think it's all worth it.

I suppose the prospect of a few more millions will always be tempting even if you already have more money than you'll ever need.

But Leicester are not his only option according to reports. And if he wants out then yesterday's nonsense would offer a pretty good excuse.

And if that happened. We really would have lost the battle of Derby. On the pitch and off.

I honestly don't believe that any other group of fans could behave as well or any better than how our fans behaved today, given the provocation and treatment.

It shouldn't happen, but it does, at every club, and every ground.

If your theory is correct, and Mandaric won't want to buy us because of our fans, then that's very hypocritical of him, when you see videos such as this...

He branded their fans, as some of the best. BOOOLLLLOCCCCCCKSSSSS.

[Hullfox]

Well well well.

I'm sorry but I cannot believe some of the posts on here and the near bloodlust that some are feeling because they were close to the action and no doubt feel like proper hooligans.

I was lambasted last week by Thrach for calling some of our supporters shit. This was exactly what I was alluding to - teen hooligan wannabes who do nothing positive for our club.

Thrach, I take back one of my comments from last week, I am better than some of our supporters.

[Leicfox]

I've seen mentioned on here that the police pressence was totally out of order and unesesary but also seen someone post that they didn't think Leicester city had so many teenage/chav fans, well maybe the old bill had a tip off as it seems a youth firm or the likes were out so if this is the case then its totally justified I'm affraid.

[Gazza]

"You can make a complaint if you are a member of the public who:

Has been the victim of the misconduct by a person serving with the police. Misconduct could include a police officer or member of police staff being rude to you or using excessive force. It could also include unlawful arrest or an abuse of your rights. For more information please see the police code of conduct.

Was present when the alleged misconduct took place, or close enough to see or hear the misconduct, and as a result suffered loss, damage, distress or inconvenience, or was put in danger or at risk.

Is a friend or relative of the victim of the alleged misconduct, distressed by the effects of the incident on the victim.

Has witnessed the alleged misconduct.

Is acting on behalf of any of the above. Please note that if you would like someone to make a complaint on your behalf, you must give them your consent in writing unless they are from a body such as a Citizens Advice Bureau."

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index.htm

I was in upstairs at half-time, so didnt see what was happening. It looks like there are sutabile grounds to make a complaint for those of you that witnessed it.

[Floating Fox]

I've seen mentioned on here that the police pressence was totally out of order and unesesary but also seen someone post that they didn't think Leicester city had so many teenage/chav fans, well maybe the old bill had a tip off as it seems a youth firm or the likes were out so if this is the case then its totally justified I'm affraid.

There was more Chavs around than usual

"I've never seen so much stone Island" Must have been the best comment

But still what happened was avoidable and shouldn't have happened.

[Guest]

God knows how they'd treat Forest fans.

You should see how Notts police treat us!

One year me (people who know me say I'm on the petite side) and my mate (tall but very skinny) went to F****t. We had planned on popping in a few shops we liked before the game. No such luck. As soon as the train pulled into Nottingham station, everyone was herded into a holding area, whether they were going to the game or not. Those who weren't going had to be searched to prove they had no match ticket, very demeaning. We then had to wait for the next train to arrive before being taken to the ground and as this was a Sunday, the next train in wasn't for an hour. So we were penned into a corner of the station for over an hour. We weren't allowed access to food and drink. We weren't allowed access to the toilets, and one small child had an 'accident'. Police didn't care. Then the frogmarch to the stadium. Because of the size of the crowd, I stumbled off the pavement and onto the road at one point. Bearing in mind my size and gender, I was picked up and thrown back in by a copper and told I'd be arrested next time. After the game, they escorted almost the entire away end back to the station, great for those who'd parked their cars in West Bridgford.

Now do you see why I hate all this crap?

[Hullfox]

You should see how Notts police treat us!

One year me (people who know me say I'm on the petite side) and my mate (tall but very skinny) went to F****t. We had planned on popping in a few shops we liked before the game. No such luck. As soon as the train pulled into Nottingham station, everyone was herded into a holding area, whether they were going to the game or not. Those who weren't going had to be searched to prove they had no match ticket, very demeaning. We then had to wait for the next train to arrive before being taken to the ground and as this was a Sunday, the next train in wasn't for an hour. So we were penned into a corner of the station for over an hour. We weren't allowed access to food and drink. We weren't allowed access to the toilets, and one small child had an 'accident'. Police didn't care. Then the frogmarch to the stadium. Because of the size of the crowd, I stumbled off the pavement and onto the road at one point. Bearing in mind my size and gender, I was picked up and thrown back in by a copper and told I'd be arrested next time. After the game, they escorted almost the entire away end back to the station, great for those who'd parked their cars in West Bridgford.

Now do you see why I hate all this crap?

I've long suspected your chav credentials young lady.

Hooliganess.

[Daggers]

I think most victims of crime feel exactly like that.

The majority who deal with our CJS feel how I described in my post though. It isn't just victims of crime though - it's most people who deal with the higher "authority" in whatever they're doing. Maybe it's just a power-trip thing

C'mon then Brains Trust: How do you deal with the policing of football matches then (bearing in mind that there were people there that had gone to cause trouble)?

[Thracian]

Well well well.

I'm sorry but I cannot believe some of the posts on here and the near bloodlust that some are feeling because they were close to the action and no doubt feel like proper hooligans.

I was lambasted last week by Thrach for calling some of our supporters shit. This was exactly what I was alluding to - teen hooligan wannabes who do nothing positive for our club.

Thrach, I take back one of my comments from last week, I am better than some of our supporters.

I've never doubted it.

We saw the food-bar grills come down and had the good sense to walk away when it became plain the situation was going to explode.

Anyone else could have done that at the time.

To me though the Police should have been trying to make the atmosphere less intimidating, not more so.

That didn't look the case. It looked to me like two groups of people squaring up to each other and neither wanting to give an inch.

It really was ridiculous. And in my view should never have been allowed to develop.

The reported use of batons was a risky precedent.

If the fans had focused in one area and concentrated on getting the batons they were reportedly whacked with, a bad situation could easily have become a bloodpath with people perhaps losing their lives.

These things need brains and commonsense right from the station to the ground to avoid them even developing. There is much to look into.

[lildave3]

Has anyone got anymore photos?

[Daggers]

It looked to me like two groups of people squaring up to each other and neither wanting to give an inch.

...and you are advocating that it should have been the police that backed down? Simply unbelievable Thracian.

You point appears to exist on the understanding that if the police had just gone away and allowed the trouble makers to run around Derby unhindered everything would have been rosy.

You didn't get hit by one of those batons did you?

[samingram_uk]

Has anyone got anymore photos?