Thracian Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Well why did you say he'd had the ball in the net more than Fryatt then. You have no evidence of that seeing as Hammond has been playing as a striker, and most of his goals have been from 2 yards. Josh Low has only had 11 games this season so it's to early to judge him. Because he has this season. I don't care whether his goals come from two yards or 20 yards and Low has had plenty of chances to show what he can do - which is not a lot up to now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Because he has this season. I don't care whether his goals come from two yards or 20 yards and Low has had plenty of chances to show what he can do - which is not a lot up to now. No he hasn't So's Hammond, and it's even less. Listen to yourself, your making a claim for a player to play right wing based on a few disallowed goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Manwell, I think I'm addicted to our online game of FM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nibblington Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Have we not learnt the lessons of converting strikers to right.... well, I supposed you'd call it winger/midfield? Anyone remember James Scowcroft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk_fox Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 In my opinion, Hammond is only deadly from 5 yards, in positions where it is harder to miss. You don't really need pace for that! Sadly, he rarely finds himself in these positions.... Hell, any of our players who find themselves in similar positions, they can knock it in ala Stearman a couple of weeks ago. Thracian, I have huge respect for you in Team matters, but this argument for Elvis is fatally flawed. Having to grasp at disallowed goals to increase his tally is desparate. I get bonuses for getting deals done, I don't get bonuses on deals which we SHOULD have won.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Manwell, I think I'm addicted to our online game of FM. Just think what it will be like if/when you start winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nibblington Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Just think what it will be like if/when you start winning. Him? Win? Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 In my opinion, Hammond is only deadly from 5 yards, in positions where it is harder to miss. You don't really need pace for that! Sadly, he rarely finds himself in these positions.... Hell, any of our players who find themselves in similar positions, they can knock it in ala Stearman a couple of weeks ago. Thracian, I have huge respect for you in Team matters, but this argument for Elvis is fatally flawed. Having to grasp at disallowed goals to increase his tally is desparate. I get bonuses for getting deals done, I don't get bonuses on deals which we SHOULD have won.... I'm certainly not going to talk Hammond into being a 20-goals a season striker. I have, however, tried to emphasise that I wouldn't play him as a striker and that he's a far better bet for goals than Low or Sylla. Let me re-emphasise what I have said time and again. I wouldn't play Elvis as a striker. But I think his pace is important to us because he have so little. What amazes me is there seems so much support for two non-scoring, largely ineffective wingers - at least the manager keeps harking back to Low - and support too for an unfit, greedy and limited striker who's done sod-all this season nor looked like doing anything. Yes he scored last season. But is anyone telling me we're looking at the same player? And yes, that mean's he's quite likely to nick one at Wolves - these things happen when a bloke goes back to his roots and has something to prove. But potentially 18-20 goals a season? Not if he's anything less than 100% fit and he ain't that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk_fox Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 I'm certainly not going to talk Hammond into being a 20-goals a season striker. I have, however, tried to emphasise that I wouldn't play him as a striker and that he's a far better bet for goals than Low or Sylla. Let me re-emphasise what I have said time and again. I wouldn't play Elvis as a striker. But I think his pace is important to us because he have so little. What amazes me is there seems so much support for two non-scoring, largely ineffective wingers - at least the manager keeps harking back to Low - and support too for an unfit, greedy and limited striker who's done sod-all this season nor looked like doing anything. Yes he scored last season. But is anyone telling me we're looking at the same player? And yes, that mean's he's quite likely to nick one at Wolves - these things happen when a bloke goes back to his roots and has something to prove. But potentially 18-20 goals a season? Not if he's anything less than 100% fit and he ain't that. I agree that he shouldn't be played as a striker - but as he can't take on players and pass a decent ball, I wouldn't play him on the right either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 I'm certainly not going to talk Hammond into being a 20-goals a season striker. I have, however, tried to emphasise that I wouldn't play him as a striker and that he's a far better bet for goals than Low or Sylla. Let me re-emphasise what I have said time and again. I wouldn't play Elvis as a striker. But I think his pace is important to us because he have so little. What amazes me is there seems so much support for two non-scoring, largely ineffective wingers - at least the manager keeps harking back to Low - and support too for an unfit, greedy and limited striker who's done sod-all this season nor looked like doing anything. Yes he scored last season. But is anyone telling me we're looking at the same player? And yes, that mean's he's quite likely to nick one at Wolves - these things happen when a bloke goes back to his roots and has something to prove. But potentially 18-20 goals a season? Not if he's anything less than 100% fit and he ain't that. What amazes me is that you keep on avoiding the fact that Elvis has scored goals as a forward a not winger. Let me Re-emphasise Elvis scores the odd 2 yard tap in when playing up front, on the right he wouldn't score, ever. and he has no passing or crossing abilty either so there goes you assists, all you have is fast geezer on the right, we may as well sign Darren Campbell if we want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Clever nickname but harsh. As I say, Hammond's had the ball in the net nearly as often as Fryatt, more this season, and far more often than Sylla or Low. His big in-the-box chance last Saturday he hit the target fine, but the goalkeeper narrowed the angle and saved well. And he soon put that recently disallowed "goal" away. I've nothing against O'Grady, he's usually done okay for the side in my view, but he never seems fit and he's generally ridiculed on here. Which as far as our existing personnel is concerned only leaves Gradel who is probably the player we should have looked tofor right winger in the first place. You know - a genuiinely specialist winger. Square peg for square hole. And one who scores at the rate of close to a goal a game. He might be flawed but the alternatives have flaws. At least with Gradel he has the known ability to do some things well. If you want to talk about disallowed goals then i'll talk about it. Matty Fryatt had goals disallowed against Hull City and Ipswich. Elvis has had a few this season aswell. Rightly or wrongly. It still doesn't matter that much. If you want to be pedantic we could scrutinise every bit of play and argue whether certain decisions could have led to Elvis scoring another 'x' amount of goals. You seem desperate to add all sorts of half truth's to Elvis's goal tally and you've gone as far as counting a 5 yard sitter he missed against Sheffield Wednesday. Where the goalie narrowed the angle on a shot that 9 times out of 10 would have been in the back of the net. When in reality, Elvis Hammond wasted yet another great opportunity to increase his goal tally and do something he's paid and expected to do. Elvis Hammond misses more than he scores by 15:1 ratio easily. Any striker/midfielder/whatever you want to convert him in to next with that sort of ratio of finishing should be disposed of rapidly. Fryatt is having a shocking season. I'm not going to make any excuses up. Infact if it makes it any better, i'll write him off for you. But that doesn't mean Elvis Hammond should be heralded in any positive way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 8 December 2006 Author Share Posted 8 December 2006 Thracian, I have to hand it to you, this has turned out to be a fantastic thread. You have caught just about every single one of us hook, line and sinker with this Elvis Hammond stuff and you have done it with a straight face on the messageboard. Brilliant. I doff my cap (a rather nice Diesel one I picked up at the weekend) to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 alot of the players that we have are not good enough, if they were we wouldn't be 5th from bottom, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Thracian, I have to hand it to you, this has turned out to be a fantastic thread. You have caught just about every single one of us hook, line and sinker with this Elvis Hammond stuff and you have done it with a straight face on the messageboard. Brilliant. I doff my cap (a rather nice Diesel one I picked up at the weekend) to you. The most beautiful part of all this is that there isn't one ounce of him that is taking the piss here. His heart, body and soul has been dedicated to The King of Finishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 8 December 2006 Author Share Posted 8 December 2006 The most beautiful part of all this is that there isn't one ounce of him that is taking the piss here. His heart, body and soul has been dedicated to The King of Finishing. I am not so sure I would feel much more comfortable if I/we had all been taken in rather than have him believe in what he is typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 The King of Finishing. Do you mean Robin Williams "The fisher King"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 8 December 2006 Author Share Posted 8 December 2006 Do you mean Robin Williams "The fisher King"? :laugh: Another one where a drink has been spat out Twice this week as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 Do you mean Robin Williams "The fisher King"? Good choice of avatar by the way. Superb film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 The most beautiful part of all this is that there isn't one ounce of him that is taking the piss here. His heart, body and soul has been dedicated to The King of Finishing. While there's people on here who still advocate playing Momo No-no (goals) I've got no conscience at all. But just as an exercise, can anyone of you good men and true name a Leicester team for tomorrow where all the players are fully fit in the normal sense of the words and where we've got any chance of scoring two goals? No using Dodds or King if it upsets anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandannieldanok Posted 8 December 2006 Share Posted 8 December 2006 While there's people on here who still advocate playing Momo No-no (goals) I've got no conscience at all. Just because Sylla hasn't scored it doesn't mean he is not worthy. I think he has been alright this season which might not be good enough for most teams but alright may as well be excellent this season in LCFC terms. I can't understand your appraisal of Elvis as well. He may have pace which could be useful on the wing, can you honestly seem him providing the necessary quality when crossing. He has a terrible shot and a pathetic first touch so why should he have the passing ability needed for playing elsewhere than striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nibblington Posted 9 December 2006 Share Posted 9 December 2006 I'm confused. I always thought the first priority of right wingers was to create goals, not to score them. So, when we're struggling to create anything, let's advocate playing someone who won't create anything in that position? And yes, I know the current incumbents aren't exactly brilliant, but honestly, Elvis Hammond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 9 December 2006 Share Posted 9 December 2006 Can Hammond play the odd long ball? Then put him on the flank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 9 December 2006 Share Posted 9 December 2006 I'm confused. I always thought the first priority of right wingers was to create goals, not to score them. So, when we're struggling to create anything, let's advocate playing someone who won't create anything in that position? And yes, I know the current incumbents aren't exactly brilliant, but honestly, Elvis Hammond? I really didn't realise the game had changed so much.... No wonder people have been taking the piss. Fancy me wanting a winger that scored. Senility setting in! I suppose I should be grateful forums like these still accommodate daft old buggers like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 9 December 2006 Share Posted 9 December 2006 Ok so answer this then... on the supposition that wingers should score goals... Why would EH score goals from the wing when he's pathetic at it upfront where chances are generally better and more numerous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurnbyfox Posted 9 December 2006 Share Posted 9 December 2006 Hi all, First post on here after a few weeks lurking! I've come to accept that Elvis is not upto Championship football, don't get me wrong, I would like nothing more than to see him turn it around and prove a useful addition to the squad, however I can't see it happening. At the end of the day he was a panic buy by Levein, we had him on loan for 6 months but we still signed him based on a couple of performances. I agree that we do need someone else on the wing to accompany Porter however I don't think Elvis is the answer. Saying that I would prefer him on the wing rather than Low. I've only watched a couple of youth team games over the past year or so, and I'm sure there are others on here that are more knowledgable on this then myself but surely its time to give some of these a go such as Gradel, lets face it they cannot be any worse that some of the players we have at the minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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