Fox in a Box Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Well If you look at whose playing whose not etc... I see Rab D going back to haggis land....maybe to Dundee Utd (CL) Sylla might be off and I dont think they will keep Welsh either. 3 Out 1 or 2 in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancunianfox Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Depends on Mandaric or not I suppose. Do agree that we don't need Rab so I would have thought he would be off. Can't see Andy Welsh staying as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Deepending on whether we get a new manager or not. If we don't, then I can see Fryatt wanting out. I'll be livid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 I've no sympathy with the bloke at all. His fitness level at the start of the season looked appalling. And since his injury he really doesn't seem to have recovered anything like his normal sharpness. Fryatt is too limited a player to get away with being anything less than fully fit and the ball's been in his court for a while now. If we can replace him with a more rounded striker - like Dodds but for the millions of £'s it will take to win any credibility - then I'm all for it. We need a striker who's got more pride in himself and more desire to be at his best for this club than Fryatt has shown to me this season. Dodds, of course, should leave and go somewhere he'll be appreciated together with Gradel and Sheehan, who should have gone last year for his own sake. Cos if none of those three can get in the side now considering the indifferent competition they've got in the team, then there's no bloody chance of em playing once Mandaric arrives. The same, I'm sure, will apply to Andy King who is already our best attacking midfielder by a distance, and that includes Williams. But Leicester don't really do "attacking midfielders" in the real sense of the words so he'll end up being allowed to drift into oblivion...the nearest thing to a David Platt we've probably ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 I've no sympathy with the bloke at all. His fitness level at the start of the season looked appalling. And since his injury he really doesn't seem to have recovered anything like his normal sharpness. Fryatt is too limited a player to get away with being anything less than fully fit and the ball's been in his court for a while now. If we can replace him with a more rounded striker - like Dodds but for the millions of £'s it will take to win any credibility - then I'm all for it. We need a striker who's got more pride in himself and more desire to be at his best for this club than Fryatt has shown to me this season. Dodds, of course, should leave and go somewhere he'll be appreciated together with Gradel and Sheehan, who should have gone last year for his own sake. Cos if none of those three can get in the side now considering the indifferent competition they've got in the team, then there's no bloody chance of em playing once Mandaric arrives. The same, I'm sure, will apply to Andy King who is already our best attacking midfielder by a distance, and that includes Williams. But Leicester don't really do "attacking midfielders" in the real sense of the words so he'll end up being allowed to drift into oblivion...the nearest thing to a David Platt we've probably ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bold_fox Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 I've no sympathy with the bloke at all. His fitness level at the start of the season looked appalling. And since his injury he really doesn't seem to have recovered anything like his normal sharpness. Fryatt is too limited a player to get away with being anything less than fully fit and the ball's been in his court for a while now. If we can replace him with a more rounded striker - like Dodds but for the millions of £'s it will take to win any credibility - then I'm all for it. We need a striker who's got more pride in himself and more desire to be at his best for this club than Fryatt has shown to me this season. Dodds, of course, should leave and go somewhere he'll be appreciated together with Gradel and Sheehan, who should have gone last year for his own sake. Cos if none of those three can get in the side now considering the indifferent competition they've got in the team, then there's no bloody chance of em playing once Mandaric arrives. The same, I'm sure, will apply to Andy King who is already our best attacking midfielder by a distance, and that includes Williams. But Leicester don't really do "attacking midfielders" in the real sense of the words so he'll end up being allowed to drift into oblivion...the nearest thing to a David Platt we've probably ever had. You make some really far fetched statements. I totally understand that our youth team is looking promising at the moment, and sure we have some good young players. But you must understand that these kids are not ready for the first team. ( how can King be our best attacking midfielder if he hasn't featured in the first team ! ) The championship is a very physical league, and having played at a high standard myself, i know what the step up to tyhis sort of standard is like. I do agree with you about Dodds though. Surely he deserves a chance, otherwise we may never see whether he is able to cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancunianfox Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 We need a striker who's got more pride in himself and more desire to be at his best for this club than Fryatt has shown to me this season. Totally agree with that. Can't understand players, especially young ones, who can't get themselves into shape. At that age you should be hungry and enthusiastic. You can blame the clubs staff as much as you want but at the end of the day if the player wants it enough they will sort themselves out. Look at players like Gary Speed who is still playing at the highest club level because he looked after himself. Do these players not have pride to do their best for themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 If Andy Kind is a better player than Gareth Williams.... well. Shows what I know about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 You make some really far fetched statements. I totally understand that our youth team is looking promising at the moment, and sure we have some good young players. But you must understand that these kids are not ready for the first team. ( how can King be our best attacking midfielder if he hasn't featured in the first team ! ) The championship is a very physical league, and having played at a high standard myself, i know what the step up to tyhis sort of standard is like. I do agree with you about Dodds though. Surely he deserves a chance, otherwise we may never see whether he is able to cut it. I've not noticed Porter having much trouble coping with the headless chickens of the Championship. He's got enough such team-mates to practice against in our own set-up and that will long have applied to King, Dodds and Gradel who have all been in the set-up for ages. King and Dodds are six footers anyway and Gradel will never be anywhere near that so if they're waiting for him to become big, hard, fearless, tough-tackling, ultra-direct Brave-as-Boedicca right winger then the first thing he'll have to do take no bloody notice of Sylla and Low. I might not have seen King play in the first team - more's the pity - but I don't see why his ability should suddenly disappear. Let's give it some thought alongside other midfielders like Williams, Hughes and Tiatto. Durability: King 8 Hughes 8 Williams 6 Tiatto 6 (Cos he's invariably subbed). Tackling: King 6 Hughes 6 Williams 6 Tiatto 6 (cos he's only there part-time) Speed: King 5 Hughes 6 Williams 6 Tiatto 6 (cos he's only there part time) Creative ability: King 8 Hughes 5 Williams 7 Tiatto 6 (cos he's only there part-time) Scoring ability: King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 6, Tiatto 5 (as above) Times he gets in the box: King 10 Hughes 6 Williams 5 Tiatto 5 (as above) Support play: King 8 Hughes 6, Williams 7, Tiatto 7 (as above) Teamwork: King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 7 Tiatto 7 (as above) Heading: King 8 Hughes 4 Williams 7 Tiatto 4 (as above) Confidence: King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 8 Tiatto 7 Ovferall threat King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 7 Tiatto 6 (as above) All in all it isn't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Put Williams in that u18's side and he'd score plenty and I bet he'd get a hatful of assists too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Put Williams in that u18's side and he'd score plenty and I bet he'd get a hatful of assists too. He'd have to stay fit for a start. And he'd have to hit his excellent shots a bit lower and a bit straighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nibblington Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 He'd have to stay fit for a start. And he'd have to hit his excellent shots a bit lower and a bit straighter. And if King got in the first team, he would have to stay fit. He might not have shown tendancies to get injured a lot, but correct me if I'm wrong, I can think of another highly rated midfield prospect who was the same until he got near the first team. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bold_fox Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 I've not noticed Porter having much trouble coping with the headless chickens of the Championship. He's got enough such team-mates to practice against in our own set-up and that will long have applied to King, Dodds and Gradel who have all been in the set-up for ages. King and Dodds are six footers anyway and Gradel will never be anywhere near that so if they're waiting for him to become big, hard, fearless, tough-tackling, ultra-direct Brave-as-Boedicca right winger then the first thing he'll have to do take no bloody notice of Sylla and Low. I might not have seen King play in the first team - more's the pity - but I don't see why his ability should suddenly disappear. Let's give it some thought alongside other midfielders like Williams, Hughes and Tiatto. Durability: King 8 Hughes 8 Williams 6 Tiatto 6 (Cos he's invariably subbed). Tackling: King 6 Hughes 6 Williams 6 Tiatto 6 (cos he's only there part-time) Speed: King 5 Hughes 6 Williams 6 Tiatto 6 (cos he's only there part time) Creative ability: King 8 Hughes 5 Williams 7 Tiatto 6 (cos he's only there part-time) Scoring ability: King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 6, Tiatto 5 (as above) Times he gets in the box: King 10 Hughes 6 Williams 5 Tiatto 5 (as above) Support play: King 8 Hughes 6, Williams 7, Tiatto 7 (as above) Teamwork: King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 7 Tiatto 7 (as above) Heading: King 8 Hughes 4 Williams 7 Tiatto 4 (as above) Confidence: King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 8 Tiatto 7 Ovferall threat King 8 Hughes 6 Williams 7 Tiatto 6 (as above) All in all it isn't even close. did you make these stats up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 How can you have a 'times he gets in the box stat' when you're comparing players who play for different sides. One plays for a good, attack minded side. The others play for an overly cautious, bereft of all confidence, poor side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 How can you have a 'times he gets in the box stat' when you're comparing players who play for different sides. One plays for a good, attack minded side. The others play for an overly cautious, bereft of all confidence, poor side. Playing in two differnt leagues, with differnt things at stake. Then again he's always right so we shouldn't really question him. Look how great Sheehan turned out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancunianfox Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Love Thracians ability to guarantee a reaction from you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Love Thracians ability to guarantee a reaction from you guys. I just hope Thracian knows how painfull the surgical procedure of removing head from arse is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpendenfox Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Have to say until now I've been reluctant to join the throw in the kids brigade, but at the moment I'm desparate for us to try something new. Surely there'd be no harm in giving these young lads a spell on the bench and giving them 30 minutes or so here and there? Every time I look at the current bench I just think 'same old'. A bench containing a goalie, Dodds, King and Gradel, and then an experienced versatile player like a Kenton or a Maybury would be more enthralling. Looking at Saturday's four outfield benchmen, Fryatt, Nils, Weso and Low, obviously I'd like to see Weso fit and in the first team. Fryatt? Off the pace curently. Nils? He's fine, but he's not going to change much coming on. Low? No comment required. Who knows if they'll make it. Lets take a look though. Three speedy, fearless youngsters coming on with 20 minutes to go might even help us to finish games stronger, rather than weaker which is so often the case at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooo Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 carnt see anyone going if you look at the size of our squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 You make some really far fetched statements. I totally understand that our youth team is looking promising at the moment, and sure we have some good young players. But you must understand that these kids are not ready for the first team. ( how can King be our best attacking midfielder if he hasn't featured in the first team ! ) The championship is a very physical league, and having played at a high standard myself, i know what the step up to tyhis sort of standard is like. I do agree with you about Dodds though. Surely he deserves a chance, otherwise we may never see whether he is able to cut it. Who did ya play for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bold_fox Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Who did ya play for? Semi-Pro when i was a bit younger, then played for a few local nationwide league clubs. Knee injury led to retirement. The point i was making though was that the league is very physical, and i think we lack that at the min. Bring youngsters in would only make this worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Playing in two differnt leagues, with differnt things at stake. Then again he's always right so we shouldn't really question him. Look how great Sheehan turned out to be. Come-on Manwell, Sheehan never really had the chance. Partly because of injury, partly his own reaction and partly because of how City treated him after the Shefield Wednesday victory last season. Even recently he's returned to the club and has simply disappeared into oblivion - like so many others have from time to time this season it is almost bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 Come-on Manwell, Sheehan never really had the chance. Partly because of injury, partly his own reaction and partly because of how City treated him after the Shefield Wednesday victory last season. Even recently he's returned to the club and has simply disappeared into oblivion - like so many others have from time to time this season it is almost bizarre. Excuses allowed for Sheehan, but not for Fryatt, double standerds. Sheehans had chances here and at Mansfield and he's wasted them with poor performances or, apparently opening his mouth. If he was that gooder footballer he would of made it. He hasn't, one good performance as Sheffield Wednesday doesn't make him a good football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nibblington Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 In the bigger scheme of how great youngsters are, I'm sure Stephen Dawson was meant to be the next world beating midfielder in some way or another. Would anyone care to tell me if he's set the world on fire for Mansfield? In the manner that was bestowed upon him when he was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 December 2006 Share Posted 11 December 2006 In the bigger scheme of how great youngsters are, I'm sure Stephen Dawson was meant to be the next world beating midfielder in some way or another. Would anyone care to tell me if he's set the world on fire for Mansfield? In the manner that was bestowed upon him when he was here? They have high hopes for him and he's been playing well. Looks to be at his level though, for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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